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Originally Posted by Moe
And yeah, it's banned because 4Kids is ran by some the biggest idiots ever who want to act like guns don't exist (see their dub of One Piece and maybe the Saturday morning airings of DBZ Kai for more info) :-|
As much as I dislike 4Kids, for once, this wasn't there fault.
America is extremely gun sensitive when it comes to children's entertainment. They are an absolute no-no on television. The only way it could be aired on TV is if they had changed them to blasters or something silly like that like other anime have had to do.
So, no, don't blame 4Kids for this. Blame America for thinking that kids seeing guns=the next Columbine.
It probably didn't help that Pokemon, I believe, was airing on a broadcast channel at the time and they can have some pretty strict rules regarding what is and is not allowed, especially for children's programing. They probably could have edited the Dratini pisode with laser guns or something to get it on the air, but it was probably too much for one episode and the FCC probably wasn't too comfortable with guns and bombs being used so often in one episode of Pokemon. It was confusing when Ash had a bunch of Tauros out of nowhere, but considering how America tends to react to guns in children's programming, it's not too surprising that it was banned.
What he said. Although about this part.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dogasu
If you meant those things individually, Nastina fired at the giant Tentacruel in "Tentacool and Tentacruel." To be fair, of course, that was a really giant Pokemon that wasn't affected anyway. The warden fired at humans in the Dratini episode, more realistic than a giant creature. (And a talking cat.)Quote:
The difference between the guns in this episode and the guns in other episodes is that in this episode, the guns were actually fired. In this episode, the guns were held right up to people's heads. In this episode, the guns were onscreen longer than all those other instances combined. In this episode, there were no other adults around to stop the would-be shooter(s). In this episode, the guns in question were the same type of handguns a kid can find in his dad's sock drawer.
In any case, the gun usage for this episode did go to a further extreme than other dubbed episodes with guns. Nintendo/Pokemon companies, etc./ workers in the US wanted Pokemon to be a hit enough that someone/people decided to release the first anime around the same time as the first games and also air episodes daily at first, rather than airing the anime a year or more later with weekly episodes to imitate Japan. They wouldn't want to air an episode with much controversy. (The part on the link above about a "banned episodes" DVD sort of relates to the same idea.)
Yep and kids brodcasting channels like Kids WB or whatever kids block aired on UPN around the 1998/1999 time period would have never allowed it, heck there were edits that were KidsWB only but the scene appears in VHS or DVD's of the show.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hidden Mew
And Editing a episode without it sticking out in the early cell animated would be impossible. If the episode existed in best wishes era type animation instead the japanese animators would probably be able to replace the gun before the show makes it outside japan.
because america has a problem with guns in a kids show yet many of them have lasers cannons
Or the infamous invisible gun/finger gun:Quote:
Originally Posted by Musashi
I also heard that episode had quite a few obscenities in it.
....okay...right... so it's fine for the Looney Tunes to have Elmer Fudd shoot guns at Bugs Bunny and the Coyote to use TNTs on the Road Runner for fifty years, while it isn't okay for the Warden/Team Rocket to even bring those things on TV for 20 minutes? Comedy or not - the sole existance of those weapons should be banned altogether. It isn't fair to ban one thing and let another roam free and do what they want.
Well, I guess my question is pretty much answered and there is no point in getting worked up over something that happened more than 10 years ago. Still don't understand the dubbers when they feature guns in other shows and I'm upset about it... but I saw that Dratini episode on TV anyways XDD Thanks everybody. If you want to continue the debate, you are free to do so.
I remember that episode. When I first saw it I was not aware that there ever were any guns in the first place. Kaiba's reaction seemed pretty bizarre, lolQuote:
Originally Posted by jokoolOr the infamous invisible gun/finger gun:Quote:
Originally Posted by Musashi
I also heard that episode had quite a few obscenities in it.
Still, replacing the guns with lasers or fingers would have been better than not showing the episode at all. That was so confusing when Ash had a ton of Tauros from the Safari Zone and when Team Rocket said "we could never catch a Dratini" in the Ditto episode despite the fact that they had never even attempted to find a Dratini.
Then to make things fair, do the opposite. Don't ban the guns in any cartoon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Destiny Queen
But I don't think that the Dratini episode actually was "banned" (as in, not legally allowed to be shown). I think that they could have shown it, but they chose not to. And since it's their show, it's their decision to make.
If you're talking about Pokemon, there aren't any obscenities in it. Those subs are crap and I guess are trying to make the show more "mature".Quote:
Originally Posted by jokool
I also wonder if Jessie basically offering to get with the old guy has anything to do with it.
They just could have dubbed that with something else.Quote:
Originally Posted by djulienr
this pretty much.using a gun a couple of times(like in Batman TAS) would be nothing to sneeze at, but they kinda went overkill here. I know they were going for the cowboy motif, but seriously, geez....Quote:
Originally Posted by Ash's Battle Coach
I wish that guy had done better research. Nyasu wasn't hitler, it was the same kind of scene we saw with Dent and Nyasu in BW043.
I think he meant suggestive stuff not swears. And it isn't nice to call someone's work crap just because they change a vulgarity level on an expletive to make their target audience feel more comfortable. Just because they did that doesn't mean they think cursing is mature.Quote:
Originally Posted by MusashiIf you're talking about Pokemon, there aren't any obscenities in it. Those subs are crap and I guess are trying to make the show more "mature".Quote:
Originally Posted by jokool
There was some sexual stuff in the Jessie Warden conversation.
