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    Default Why was Ho-oh in Episode 1?

    I understand that Ho-oh was created during Gen 1 and shelved but why put it in Episode 1 when Pokemon was just taking off and the Anime was planned for a year and a half run? It might not've been used for Gen 2 (assuming Gen 2 was considered at all) and that would've been a really random loose end writing wise.

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    I'd imagine that if the anime didn't stretch out to Gen II (either the continuing adventures of Satoshi or a sequel), Houou still would have served the purpose of showing how vast and mysterious the Pokemon world is (in the anime). I wouldn't call it a loose end in writing, in that regard, since they didn't really play it up as something that would ever get solved.

    ....besides, it's not like they used Houou much in Gen II either, besides alluding to its legend and connection to Satoshi, both of which are hardly touched upon ever again, especially now that we're in Gen VI and the anime writers insist that everything before a certain point doesn't matter anymore. Ugh. Now it's a loose end in writing. Even worse than the GS Ball.
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    I think when they originally put it in they may have been planning to reuse it at the end of the series.

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    "Pocket Monsters 2" had already gotten a lot of coverage in CoroCoro Comics by the time the first episode aired and several of the new pokemon had already been revealed. Hou'ou's appearance in that episode would have hyped up the new games regardless of whether or not the TV series was popular enough to continue.
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    I would assume it was to show that there was more after gen 1?

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    So does it seems Ho-oh was to hype the Gen2 games when Episode one aired? Because if you put it that way, I think it makes sense

    and Ash had to go and assume it was Articuno in episode 2

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    Me, I always thought it was one of many set-ups for an event that was abandoned for whatever reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SammyW27 View Post
    Me, I always thought it was one of many set-ups for an event that was abandoned for whatever reason.
    I've always figured that Ho-oh's appearances are to show that Ash is "the legendary hero" rather than to lead to a subplot - same with Ash having Aura. I would like for it to show up again, it's been too long.
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    Apparently they don't want to revisit old plots though because "it will confuse the new viewers"
    Thats why the first Mewtwo wasn't mentioned at all in the 16th movie. Unfortunately they're just letting down the old viewers by dropping major things like Mewtwo #1 and Ho-oh; I was disappointed with the 16th movie because with all that carry on about finding a place to belong I was waiting the whole movie for Ash to tell Mewtwo there is another Mewtwo. (I guess he forgot just like he forgot he turned 10 years ago).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snugglefox View Post
    Apparently they don't want to revisit old plots though because "it will confuse the new viewers"
    Thats why the first Mewtwo wasn't mentioned at all in the 16th movie. Unfortunately they're just letting down the old viewers by dropping major things like Mewtwo #1 and Ho-oh; I was disappointed with the 16th movie because with all that carry on about finding a place to belong I was waiting the whole movie for Ash to tell Mewtwo there is another Mewtwo. (I guess he forgot just like he forgot he turned 10 years ago).
    We're definitely not turning this into another Mewtwo 2 discussion, so please drop it right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snugglefox View Post
    Apparently they don't want to revisit old plots though because "it will confuse the new viewers"
    But... Charizard returned in Episode N (note: I'm not trying to talk about Mewtwo 2 but about the claim above itself).

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    I guess they decided Charizard has returned so many times it viewers would just go; "Hey it's that Charizard that keeps showing up!". Also, Charizard had about as much impact on the show as Pikachu.
    While on the other hand Ho-oh and He who shall not be named, haven't made many appearances and stopped appearing altogether at the end of Gen 2 if I recall. By the time Heart Gold and Soul Silver came out, anyone who wasn't a hardcore fan was like "Ho-oh who?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snugglefox View Post
    I guess they decided Charizard has returned so many times it viewers would just go; "Hey it's that Charizard that keeps showing up!". Also, Charizard had about as much impact on the show as Pikachu.
    While on the other hand Ho-oh and He who shall not be named, haven't made many appearances and stopped appearing altogether at the end of Gen 2 if I recall. By the time Heart Gold and Soul Silver came out, anyone who wasn't a hardcore fan was like "Ho-oh who?"
    Charizard got flashback scenes for his return, they could do the same for Ho-oh. Just have Ash mention that he's seen it before and show some brief scenes of its past appearances.

    Ho-oh has appeared since Gen 2, in a Battle Frontier episode and in the last DP opening.
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    I love how people constantly pull the confusion card. Hey guys, let's watch an on-going series about a kid and his very very long adventures, and not expect something that relates to any previous events happening right as we jump right into the middle of it!

    Oh, so this main character knows this Lizardon and recognizes this Houou... could he have perhaps... met them before?! What a concept. I would have never guessed.

    ...Somehow, I don't feel that the new viewers are morons like that. If the writers seriously used that reasoning, then that would put my respect for them at an even more all-time low.

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    :O I've figured it out! Ho-oh is in the GS Ball!

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