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    Default Re: Show too long?

    I don't think it's too long, I just think it's too drawn out with no signs of progress.

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    I know a lot of people who say that it should've stopped after one season, and I find that I can't argue with them too well anymore. It really has been the same thing in every saga, at least at it's core. I will not deny every saga had it's own identity, but it was still built around a central core of ideas. I cannot really say that it's outlived it's welcome, since for a lot of people that happened ages ago, but also, there is the matter that it's sort of become like Power Rangers in that we know it's the same thing over and over, but yet, it's still popular after so many years. Pokemon has made it's mark so well that I don't believe that anything is going to keep it from being talked about for years to come. What HAS happened, though, is that I think a lot of us have realized that this is not for us anymore. Once you've seen one saga, you've seen them all. Nothing is going to change about this show at all. Not in the next saga, nor in any saga after it. I watched this show for an inordinately long time myself, and now, I can't, for the life of me, remember why. You can perhaps argue that up until the end of DP, that at least some progress was made. Each saga kept building up what Ash was capable of, until reaching DP's climax. XY is at least taking battles seriously again, but I have realized that I have seen everything that the anime is ever going to do already. This was my cue to leave. I just can't find a reason anymore. The anime can last until I die for all I care, but it will do so without me.
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    Default Re: Show too long?

    The show is first and foremost a marketing tool, with everything else coming second. As such, it will continue with some tweaks here and there as long as Pokemon games are made. It isn't like One Piece or Bakuman, with a clear beginning, middle, and end. In a lot of ways the Pokemon anime is similar to old American TV shows (like G1 Transformers or He-Man), meant to advertise a product with plot advancement or concrete storytelling a negligible concern.

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    Default Re: Show too long?

    I know its been a long while since someone posted in this thread but i found this topic interesting wanting to give my 2 cents on it.

    Is pokemon show too long? Depends on individual level of enjoyment and intrigue he still receives from some anime. To some pokemon anime is still fresh and exciting as it was since day one not wanting it end anytime soon. There are also people which occasionally take glimpse of what are novelties concerning games or anime, or if some older character or pokemon from their childhood comes back(like Charizard for example).

    And there are also fans which grew tired of pokemon anime just wanting to see it end altogether. Either completely or replacing Ash with new male lead.

    Objectively speaking any anime going on for more than decade and half can be considered long running, defnitely above average. And in series like this where advertizing and subjecting shows quality or storyline to games takes precedence, there is only so much which can be done to avoid repetitiveness. Staleness and status quo with no significant progress made forward.

    Having pretty shallow plot, scarce history and shortage of emotion put into development of characters and aspect of journey making it look like hard work, effort and experience means nnothing in end if it never leads you anywhere. Accompanied with fact of tedious formula of replacing one companion after another like they are disposable trash with their own interest, stories, influence left on pokemon plot, popularity and Ash growth ending ignored like they ever existed in first place.
    But thats beside the point and in case pokemon show ever approaches toward end with Ash storyline i think new anime adaptations should not be made.

    I feel Pokemon as anime had pretty good run and i would rather prefer if writers preserve some of dignity it kept about itself finishing it on good note, rather than continuing endlessly with new protagonists in form of alternate series going through same, basic formulaic growth we have been stuck within for last 15 years. Investing and put more effort in current driving force going through more substantial development having him(Ash)live to his full potential.

    Instead of replacing Ash and everything this show stood for i would rather want to conclude pokemon series when that day finally comes with Ash storyline,some sort of big finale for which last season is dedicated. Reuniting his past companions(like May, Misty, Brock, Clemont etc)giving them special arcs for each one to tie up their loose ends and give fans chance to see them in prominent role for one last time with no new remakes made.
    Which would only in my opinion take away from finality and significance act of Ash and his companions after more than decade getting finale, closure would provide tarnishing brand this show build around itself after so much time.

    We can notice with other anime like Beyblade, Yugioh or Digimon which constantly change main protagonists creating alternate anime versions how sometime its better to stop in time leaving people to remember something in good light, rather than dragging of with some series for longer than needed until they milk it to the bone resulting in decrease of reputation and creation of bad image around itself alienating audience from it.
    Considering how aforementioned examples aren't even shadow of their former series experiencing large drop of ratings with people losing interest for it.

    From what i seen and talked about most felt how writers of such series should have just let anime finish on good note after first series or second came to an end, instead of prolonging it off with new main characters which were viewed as "copy cats" of previous anime leads destroying image and credibility this series used to hold around themselves.
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    Default Re: Show too long?

    1) Yeah, maybe it might have been better if the anime stopped after Johto. And just only do movies from the Third Generation and onwards - which Ash would be the Kanto-Johto Champion.

    2) Or, actually show some progress with Ash and a couple of key characters. The Goldenrod Tower episode shows that being Best 16 and above is something that aspiring trainers look up to, so why not make an excuse plot showing Oak asking Ash to accompany a new trainer for AG/DP, instead of re-introducing Brock? That should buy time until DP, and Ash could be spared the embarrassment of making noob mistakes. Have a mini-arc where Ash rechallenge the league in HGSS. Have Ash be a Kanto E4 candidate, and an entrant for the PWT for the BW arc, who is visiting Unova as a league delegate. Have him be an assistant for Lance and Looker vs Team Flare in XY, in addition to beating Lorelei and Koga before the adventure starts. And when the inevitable second Kanto remake/sequel returns in a future generation, have Ash finally battle Lance, and be the champion.

    3) Do a bit of 1) and 2), and just only air the anime for a year after the games are released. If the anime is a marketing tool, then why does it have to go endlessly, when it could just go for shorter lengths of time each? Use that time to introduce better arcs, characters progress etc. If Ash is 10 and a rookie trainer for the release of RBY, then he could be 11 and be a more experienced trainer for the release of GSC. And so on...

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    Default Re: Show too long?

    It will never end until the day the Pokemon franchise itself calls it quits. The last episode ought to have Pikachu evolve into Raichu and have him win the Pokemon League for once. But let's hope we'll never see that, because that'll be the mark of the franchise's end.
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