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    Quote Originally Posted by BladeLight52 View Post
    I know it's short but:

    Pros

    Kanto, Orange Islands, and The Johto Journeys kept a considerable amount of Japanese BGM. (Heck, about 8 or 9 episodes actually had all of the music intact with the dub music filling in silence). They were at least watchable to me.

    Cons

    More dub music than the Japanese BGM from Johto League Champions up to the end of 4kids' run consistently (the average maximum was 6-7 at most.) I didn't like how they replaced the soundtrack from Revelation Lugia in the Master Quest episodes (Movie 2 had some of the best music I heard in a Pokemon franchise).
    What about the voices and dialogue?

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    Pros
    • We get to keep the voice actors that we've grown an attachment to
    • We get a lot of additional non-Jap 'shipping hints to throw around
    • We all get a more whimsical, child-oriented attitude from the anime


    Cons
    • We have to deal with virtually all existence of Eastern culture being eliminated or butchered
    • We get reputation from one of the most controversially unsound dubbing companies in the US, with awful yet stupid examples below:






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    Quote Originally Posted by CrackFox View Post
    The dialogue was often very humorous.
    The extra 'shippy' bits they added.
    These are NOT positive for me.
    It means that 4kids changed the script, which is BAD!!!

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    These are NOT positive for me.
    It means that 4kids changed the script, which is BAD!!!
    The latter isn't but the former was good when they didn't go overboard.

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    I hated the way 4kids would change characters dialogue.

    Giving all those "James is gay" vibes with some of his dialogue, Misty's "pet names" for Ash and Tracey, and such. To this day a lot of the misconceptions about both Misty and TR in the anime is based on the dub, and then when they watch the Japanese version its a completely different experience because their characters and dialogue are different.

    There's also some really dated 90's slang in some of those early episodes.

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    Are you all talking about CW4Kids or the 4kids group? I can never watch Pokemon anime on the air because I don't have 4kids or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pokemonering9 View Post
    Are you all talking about CW4Kids or the 4kids group? I can never watch Pokemon anime on the air because I don't have 4kids or something.
    4kids group, The CW4kids is the channel it airs on, I think that 4kids lost the rights to pokemon before the CW4kids was called that, I think it was Fox Kids though.(If I'm wrong on this please correct me.)

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    Aw, you're not wrong. I think you're right about the 4kids and the CW4kids, but I think they only show it on Cartoon Networks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matt0044 View Post
    What about the voices and dialogue?
    Pros:
    -For the most part, the scripts and dialogue follow the story with what's going on onscreen.
    -The voice acting for the characters were believable. (Taylor, Lillis, and Stuart made their characters likable.)
    -Team Rocket's dialogue, despite the changes, is actually funny without all the constant slang and alliterations

    Cons:
    -Unnecessary paint edits and cuts
    -They tend to stray away from the original script at times
    -Filler characters are limited to one-two voice actors (e.g. Lisa Ortiz voicing almost every female COTD without any distinct vocal range. Not saying that she's a bad voice actress, but a little range here and there would help)
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    LOL, I always get a kick out of the "Leo Burnett and 4Kids are the devil" scene.

    4Kids may have had some glaring errors (Arbok --> Seviper) but it was a good dub and I miss the VAs terribly. Pokemon just isn't the same without them.

    And it's not like tPCI hasn't made errors, and for them to do it is, quite frankly, worse than 4Kids fudging up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BladeLight52 View Post
    Cons:
    -Unnecessary paint edits and cuts
    -They tend to stray away from the original script at times
    -Filler characters are limited to one-two voice actors (e.g. Lisa Ortiz voicing almost every female COTD without any distinct vocal range. Not saying that she's a bad voice actress, but a little range here and there would help)
    Yeah, I've noticed that after watching the anime for a long time (both 4Kids and TPCi dubs), I've noticed that 90% of all the characters sound EXACTLY the same, whether they are characters of the day, Gym Leaders, or even the Pokemon themselves, they almost all sound the same and have nearly identical voices to each other

    And while not being a part of 4Kids anymore, one thing that has REALLY bothered me in the BW anime dub is that almost all the Pokemon SOUND THE SAME, they almost all have an annoying, high pitched voice, and they sometimes don't even fit the Pokemon's body (Excadrill and Scolipede being two of the worst examples), or put it more simply, there are TWO kinds of voices for Pokemon in the anime dub, the annoying high pitched voice (which is the one used the most), and the burly deep voice, and all the voices in both kinds sound nearly identical to each other.
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    Pros:

    - The scripts for Ash and Team Rocket were believable.
    - The original voice actors for the English dub were excellent.
    - Team Rocket's dialogue, despite the changes, is actually funny without all the constant slang and alliterations.
    - Their pronunciations of Pokemon names.
    - Their replacement music was better than TPCi's.
    - Their intros rocked.

    Cons:

    - Unnecessary paint edits and cuts
    - They tend to stray away from the original script at times for characters like Brock and others
    - Filler characters are limited to one-two voice actors (e.g. Lisa Ortiz voicing almost every female COTD without any distinct vocal range. Not saying that she's a bad voice actress, but a little range here and there would help)
    - Stupid Errors ("Jelly-Filled" Donuts, Sandwiches, Arbok --> Seviper)

    I prefer it to the current TPCi dub.

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    Default Re: The Pros and Cons of 4kids

    Pros:
    1. They didn't meddle too much
    2. They had good voice actors
    3. The opening songs were badass
    4. They're fun to make fun of!

    Cons:
    1. They still went overboard sometimes.
    2. Some of the dialogue was cheesy, though it isn't just them.

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