The Pros and Cons of 4kids - Page 10

Page 10 of 11 FirstFirst ... 891011 LastLast
Results 136 to 150 of 153
Like Tree73Likes

Thread: The Pros and Cons of 4kids

  1. #136
    追放されたバカ
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Gender
    Male
    Posts
    1,156
    Blog Entries
    5

    Default Re: The Pros and Cons of 4kids

    Quote Originally Posted by Dogasu View Post
    I thought she sounded nearly identical at first and only started differentiating her voices later on. But I guess different people hear things differently.
    I could also immediately tell it was Veronica voicing May since I was very familiar with her Delia voice (at the time as a kid I was like..."Huh...why does May sound like Ash's mom?"). At the time, I didn't mind, though.

    Although, it's WAY better than if they let Lisa Ortiz voice her: "Oh HAI I'm like totally Lina Inverse!," but I actually really liked Taylor's voice for the character as she went along. She sounded really energetic, youthful, bubbly, and exciting. Obviously I think she's more fond of voicing Ash as she was with the character for 400+ episodes, but I get the feeling she really did care for the role of May a lot too.

    To me, Veronica's May sounds too much like her Delia, whereas Michele's May sounds way too much like her Misty. Of the two, I'd easily pick Taylor's voice, though (I prefer the original dub cast, so it's my bias speaking. I'm sure others feel differently.). ;)

    Quote Originally Posted by stickerstaryoshi View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Hidden Mew View Post
    So then why is it whenever you hear people mention Veronica Taylor, even on places like youtube, fanfiction/fanart websites, and the like, people only mention her Ash? I think people assumed that since Max got a VA who didn't do any other major pokemon character, that May was voiced by some new female as well.
    If I can take a guess, part of the reason might be because May's replacement wasn't as crappy as Ash's. Ash's voice was most people's main concern.
    I actually disagree with you. I mean, if we were comparing Sarah's current BW Ash to Michele's BF and DP May? I'd rather Sarah's BW Ash. If you mean back then in BF? Both were terrible, but Sarah was atrocious at the role, IMO.
    Last edited by Pokémon Master Ash; 27th January 2013 at 12:59 PM.

  2. #137
    Will Rip Titles 4 Money speedingbulletbill's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Gender
    Male
    Posts
    352
    Blog Entries
    5
    Follow speedingbulletbill On Twitter Add speedingbulletbill on Facebook Add speedingbulletbill on Google+ Add speedingbulletbill on MySpace
    Add speedingbulletbill on Linkedin Follow speedingbulletbill on Tumblr Follow speedingbulletbill on Flickr Visit speedingbulletbill's Youtube Channel

    Default Re: The Pros and Cons of 4kids

    Quote Originally Posted by SonGoku View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dogasu View Post
    I thought she sounded nearly identical at first and only started differentiating her voices later on. But I guess different people hear things differently.
    I could also immediately tell it was Veronica voicing May since I was very familiar with her Delia voice (at the time as a kid I was like..."Huh...why does May sound like Ash's mom?"). At the time, I didn't mind, though.

    Although, it's WAY better than if they let Lisa Ortiz voice her: "Oh HAI I'm like totally Lina Inverse!," but I actually really liked Taylor's voice for the character as she went along. She sounded really energetic, youthful, bubbly, and exciting. Obviously I think she's more fond of voicing Ash as she was with the character for 400+ episodes, but I get the feeling she really did care for the role of May a lot too.

    To me, Veronica's May sounds too much like her Delia, whereas Michele's May sounds way too much like her Misty. Of the two, I'd easily pick Taylor's voice, though (I prefer the original dub cast, so it's my bias speaking. I'm sure others feel differently.). ;)

    Quote Originally Posted by stickerstaryoshi View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Hidden Mew View Post
    So then why is it whenever you hear people mention Veronica Taylor, even on places like youtube, fanfiction/fanart websites, and the like, people only mention her Ash? I think people assumed that since Max got a VA who didn't do any other major pokemon character, that May was voiced by some new female as well.
    If I can take a guess, part of the reason might be because May's replacement wasn't as crappy as Ash's. Ash's voice was most people's main concern.
    I actually disagree with you. I mean, if we were comparing Sarah's current BW Ash to Michele's BF and DP May? I'd rather Sarah's BW Ash. If you mean back then in BF? Both were terrible, but Sarah was atrocious at the role, IMO.
    I was comparing both of their BF counterparts, I said BF Ash had a crappier voice than BF May.

  3. #138
    追放されたバカ
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Gender
    Male
    Posts
    1,156
    Blog Entries
    5

    Default Re: The Pros and Cons of 4kids

    Quote Originally Posted by stickerstaryoshi View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by SonGoku View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dogasu View Post
    I thought she sounded nearly identical at first and only started differentiating her voices later on. But I guess different people hear things differently.
    I could also immediately tell it was Veronica voicing May since I was very familiar with her Delia voice (at the time as a kid I was like..."Huh...why does May sound like Ash's mom?"). At the time, I didn't mind, though.

    Although, it's WAY better than if they let Lisa Ortiz voice her: "Oh HAI I'm like totally Lina Inverse!," but I actually really liked Taylor's voice for the character as she went along. She sounded really energetic, youthful, bubbly, and exciting. Obviously I think she's more fond of voicing Ash as she was with the character for 400+ episodes, but I get the feeling she really did care for the role of May a lot too.

    To me, Veronica's May sounds too much like her Delia, whereas Michele's May sounds way too much like her Misty. Of the two, I'd easily pick Taylor's voice, though (I prefer the original dub cast, so it's my bias speaking. I'm sure others feel differently.). ;)

    Quote Originally Posted by stickerstaryoshi View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Hidden Mew View Post
    So then why is it whenever you hear people mention Veronica Taylor, even on places like youtube, fanfiction/fanart websites, and the like, people only mention her Ash? I think people assumed that since Max got a VA who didn't do any other major pokemon character, that May was voiced by some new female as well.
    If I can take a guess, part of the reason might be because May's replacement wasn't as crappy as Ash's. Ash's voice was most people's main concern.
    I actually disagree with you. I mean, if we were comparing Sarah's current BW Ash to Michele's BF and DP May? I'd rather Sarah's BW Ash. If you mean back then in BF? Both were terrible, but Sarah was atrocious at the role, IMO.
    I was comparing both of their BF counterparts, I said BF Ash had a crappier voice than BF May.
    Oh, most definitely. I couldn't agree more. :)

  4. #139
    Registered User The Fighting Misty's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Posts
    28,646
    Blog Entries
    49

    Default Re: The Pros and Cons of 4kids

    I gather a lot of people at 4kids never played the games.

    There are mistakes in episodes such as Brock saying water types are weak to fire types (lol), or Misty calling Furret a ground type, or the usual Machoke/Machamp mistakes, or calling a Pidgeot a Pidgeotto instead.

    There are a lot of various errors like that in the 4kids dub, some that are incredibly stupid and should have been caught before they completed the episodes.

    Then there was that god awful Mukrrow episode from Johto where Ash mentions Scyther as if it was part of his team, when it was really about beating Bugsy's Sycther with Cyndaquil. Goddamn 4kids and those silly mistakes.

  5. #140
    追放されたバカ
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Gender
    Male
    Posts
    1,156
    Blog Entries
    5

    Default Re: The Pros and Cons of 4kids

    Quote Originally Posted by The Fighting Misty View Post
    I gather a lot of people at 4kids never played the games.

    There are mistakes in episodes such as Brock saying water types are weak to fire types (lol), or Misty calling Furret a ground type, or the usual Machoke/Machamp mistakes, or calling a Pidgeot a Pidgeotto instead.

    There are a lot of various errors like that in the 4kids dub, some that are incredibly stupid and should have been caught before they completed the episodes.

    Then there was that god awful Mukrrow episode from Johto where Ash mentions Scyther as if it was part of his team, when it was really about beating Bugsy's Sycther with Cyndaquil. Goddamn 4kids and those silly mistakes.

    True, that's one of the only things I actually like about TPCi's dub over the 4Kids dub. Less errors (though they have made some stupid ones too, but ended up correcting most of them). Still, I really don't care for them, because I just laughed whenever I saw 4Kids do that.

    Stupid? Yes.
    Hilarious? Yes.

  6. #141
    Canadian Sweetheart Pokemaster97's Avatar Bulbanews WriterArchives StaffBulbapedia Staff
    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Gender
    Male
    Location
    Maryland
    Posts
    566
    Blog Entries
    2

    Visit Pokemaster97's Youtube Channel

    Default Re: The Pros and Cons of 4kids

    One of the things I really miss from the 4Kids version are the opening and the background music they chose. The background music, especially during battles, were really exciting and fun to listen to. They made the battles, even your average Team Rocket battle, exciting. Nowadays, the battle music and other music in general is kind of bland.

  7. #142
    The Power of Electricity Jolty94's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Gender
    Male
    Location
    Cianwood City, Johto
    Posts
    109
    Follow Jolty94 On Twitter Add Jolty94 on Facebook

    Default Re: The Pros and Cons of 4kids

    Pros: VERONICA TAYLOR (My love for that woman will never die out), to me she will always be Ash. ERIC STUART too, Brock & James' original voice actor. The Openings... I listen to them today as normal songs, meaning they make it onto my ipod playlists, regardless of what people on the train think haha, although I do lower the volume somewhat just to save my maturity from being attacked by old peoples inner thoughts.
    I can't think of any Cons, and that's not because I'm biased, I just can't think.

    I'd also like to say, in one episode, they did actually refer to Riceballs as Riceballs, but it was a one off... They then returned to Donuts... When I find that episode I will tell everyone the name xD Right now I'm blank lol.

  8. #143
    Subete wo kagayakasu MizuTaipu's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Gender
    Male
    Location
    Purgatory
    Posts
    1,258
    Blog Entries
    61

    Default Re: The Pros and Cons of 4kids

    Quote Originally Posted by Jolty94 View Post
    I'd also like to say, in one episode, they did actually refer to Riceballs as Riceballs, but it was a one off... They then returned to Donuts... When I find that episode I will tell everyone the name xD Right now I'm blank lol.
    That is EP025: Don't Be Mad Okorizaru!/Primeape Goes Bananas. 4Kids have also called onigiri stuff like ice cream sandwiches and even popcorn balls.

  9. #144
    Registered User Trainer Gabriel's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Gender
    Male
    Location
    USA
    Posts
    1,799
    Blog Entries
    5

    Default Re: The Pros and Cons of 4kids

    Quote Originally Posted by MizuTaipu View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Jolty94 View Post
    I'd also like to say, in one episode, they did actually refer to Riceballs as Riceballs, but it was a one off... They then returned to Donuts... When I find that episode I will tell everyone the name xD Right now I'm blank lol.
    That is EP025: Don't Be Mad Okorizaru!/Primeape Goes Bananas.
    Nope, they were in fact called doughnuts in that episode - in fact, the word "doughnuts" was overly stressed several times in that episode.

    I think the episode Jolty might have been refering to was this episode - or perhaps, there were other cases where the term riceballs was used.

  10. #145
    The Power of Electricity Jolty94's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Gender
    Male
    Location
    Cianwood City, Johto
    Posts
    109
    Follow Jolty94 On Twitter Add Jolty94 on Facebook

    Default Re: The Pros and Cons of 4kids

    Quote Originally Posted by MizuTaipu View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Jolty94 View Post
    I'd also like to say, in one episode, they did actually refer to Riceballs as Riceballs, but it was a one off... They then returned to Donuts... When I find that episode I will tell everyone the name xD Right now I'm blank lol.
    That is EP025: Don't Be Mad Okorizaru!/Primeape Goes Bananas. 4Kids have also called onigiri stuff like ice cream sandwiches and even popcorn balls.
    Urm no actually, it was in an episode with Morrison I believe, or Tyson, one of the two, in the AG Series.
    N is finished yet.

  11. #146
    Registered User The Fighting Misty's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Posts
    28,646
    Blog Entries
    49

    Default Re: The Pros and Cons of 4kids

    The repeitition of Liza Ortiz for filler characters is a con.

    Is it just me or was just about every filler girl from Johto and Hoenn voiced by Lisa Ortiz? It got really annoying to hear the same girls voice come out of so many different characters mouths. She even voiced Gym leaders like Flannery and barely made an effort to change her voice for a different character.

  12. #147
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Jun 2012
    Posts
    469

    Default Re: The Pros and Cons of 4kids

    I don't really give a shit about the English dub, since I grew up with a different one which is just as awful and now I only watch the Japanese version. The problem I have with 4Kids is that their awful translations made all the other dubs have awful translations as well. I'm Mexican, so I grew up with many Latin American dubs. Most of them are pretty good in the sense that they're actually translations of the Japanese version (such as with CardCaptor Sakura, Digimon, Yu-Gi-Oh, and many others I never watched), but they've got terrible voice actors. So the Latin American Pokémon dub had terrible voice actors AND a bad translation (thanks, 4Kids!). At the very least, the Latin American dub had the sense to correct a couple of things 4Kids got wrong (such as Jessie's "Einstein invented the light bulb!"), buuuuuut, it's still an awful dub.

    In short:
    Con: Awful translations led to all the other dubs having awful translations as well.
    martianmister likes this.
    つまらないものはさっさと消去。

  13. #148
    Subete wo kagayakasu MizuTaipu's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Gender
    Male
    Location
    Purgatory
    Posts
    1,258
    Blog Entries
    61

    Default Re: The Pros and Cons of 4kids

    One of the things I wish 4Kids did from the beginning was keep the original background music and silence. There were virtually no vocal tracks in the Kanto days (save for the occasional Mezase Pokémon Master, which they could have replaced with the perennially crappy Pokémon Theme), so I can't see why they didn't do that. The Japanese writing being erased doesn't bother me as much as the music issue; they could have saved money putting translated subtitles for the kana and kanji that needed to be understood.

    Other than that, the vocal cast and the translation was actually pretty good back then.

  14. #149
    Registered User Morgil's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Posts
    251

    Default Re: The Pros and Cons of 4kids

    I noticed a lot of people are praising the old 4K actors a lot. Initially, i probably would be, too. However, putting aside nostalgia glasses (or would that be a nostalgia hearing aid :P) when i recently went back and watched a lot of old stuff on Boomerang, i actually started to feel like the acting on a lot of roles didn't age well, and now much more prefer the current actors. In fact, i think the only reason i didn't like any of the new people at first was just cuz i wasn't used to any of them. But after time has passed, they got used to their roles, and i got used to hearing them, listening to them side-by-side with the 4k voices surprising has me preferring the new voices.

    Also, was it just me, or did 4kids have only like four or five actors that they had playing every role in every show they ever dubbed. Seriously, aside from the butchered editing they did on so many shows, that's probably my next biggest peeve with them. Conversely, i look at anime dubbed by Funimation or Viz, and there is a ton more variety. For example, in the Funi dub on One Piece, the producers have stated on numerous occasions that refuse to let any actor play more then one role on the show, even if it's two different characters who would never appear in the same episode together. Okay, granted they must have a huge actor pool to pull that off, and i'm sure they'll run out and have to re-use some people eventually, considering how long the series is, but it's still a good philosophy to have as it helps prevent the repetitiveness of hearing the same voices over and over and over.

  15. #150
    追放されたバカ
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Gender
    Male
    Posts
    1,156
    Blog Entries
    5

    Default Re: The Pros and Cons of 4kids

    Quote Originally Posted by Morgil View Post
    I noticed a lot of people are praising the old 4K actors a lot. Initially, i probably would be, too. However, putting aside nostalgia glasses (or would that be a nostalgia hearing aid :P) when i recently went back and watched a lot of old stuff on Boomerang, i actually started to feel like the acting on a lot of roles didn't age well, and now much more prefer the current actors. In fact, i think the only reason i didn't like any of the new people at first was just cuz i wasn't used to any of them. But after time has passed, they got used to their roles, and i got used to hearing them, listening to them side-by-side with the 4k voices surprising has me preferring the new voices.

    Also, was it just me, or did 4kids have only like four or five actors that they had playing every role in every show they ever dubbed. Seriously, aside from the butchered editing they did on so many shows, that's probably my next biggest peeve with them. Conversely, i look at anime dubbed by Funimation or Viz, and there is a ton more variety. For example, in the Funi dub on One Piece, the producers have stated on numerous occasions that refuse to let any actor play more then one role on the show, even if it's two different characters who would never appear in the same episode together. Okay, granted they must have a huge actor pool to pull that off, and i'm sure they'll run out and have to re-use some people eventually, considering how long the series is, but it's still a good philosophy to have as it helps prevent the repetitiveness of hearing the same voices over and over and over.
    The whole debate over the voice acting is subjective itself, as is what dub is better. Really depends on one's preferences.

    I'm actually used to the current VAs, but I prefer the original 4Kids dub VAs myself. Initially, I also thought I preferred the 4Kids voices over the latter voices because of nostalgia.

    Watching the older eps again, though, I realized I really do prefer the former dub cast to the current one. I heard them side-by-side, and was shocked how much more I liked the 4Kids dub voices over TPCi's dub voices. I was thinking, "Wow...THIS is how good it used to be? What happened?"

    Personally, I feel they were way better and I've never liked the switch.

    I will agree most of TPCi's voice actors have gotten better as time has passed, but some (i.e. Brock, May, Meowth) ended up actually getting worse to me as time passed. Others, like Ash, Jessie, and James, have continued to improve as time has passed, though.

    I'm betting it's not just you, but IMO, FUNimation and Viz are no different than 4Kids was with reusing the same voices/voice actors over and over again in their dubs. Chris Sabat, J. Michael Tatum, Vic Mignogna (FUNi), and Yuri Lowenthal, Mary Elizabeth McGlynn, Kate Higgins (Viz)...they do the same thing from what I've seen. Even TPCi is now casting Tom Wayland, Marc Thompson, and Billy Bob Thompson in nearly every episode of BW these days. That was one of the best things about TPCi's dub that I liked about their dub: no reusing the same VAs continuously. Too bad they're doing it as well now.

    It's quite scary to me, because Pokemon is one of the few anime where I prefer the original dub cast to their successors.

    Quote Originally Posted by MizuTaipu View Post
    One of the things I wish 4Kids did from the beginning was keep the original background music and silence. There were virtually no vocal tracks in the Kanto days (save for the occasional Mezase Pokémon Master, which they could have replaced with the perennially crappy Pokémon Theme), so I can't see why they didn't do that. The Japanese writing being erased doesn't bother me as much as the music issue; they could have saved money putting translated subtitles for the kana and kanji that needed to be understood.

    Other than that, the vocal cast and the translation was actually pretty good back then.
    Yeah, those are really the flaws of the 4Kids dub of Pokemon. Editing stuff, removing the original BGM, Lisa Ortiz voicing COTDs, and lack of silence. I really have no complaints on anything else here.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Fighting Misty View Post
    The repeitition of Liza Ortiz for filler characters is a con.

    Is it just me or was just about every filler girl from Johto and Hoenn voiced by Lisa Ortiz? It got really annoying to hear the same girls voice come out of so many different characters mouths. She even voiced Gym leaders like Flannery and barely made an effort to change her voice for a different character.
    No, it's not just you. That is easily my biggest complaint about the 4Kids dub when it comes to the voice acting. I hated that. ALL of her voices for COTD girls sound like Lina Inverse from Slayers. Even her voice for Oshawott as well as Mars in TPCi's dub sound exactly the same. Ortiz is a good voice actor, but has absolutely NO vocal range. It's amazingly easy to tell when she is voicing a character.

    The only time Ortiz demonstrated solid range is as Chopper, and that was in the 4Kids dub of OP of all dubs. XD.

    Quote Originally Posted by Trainer Gabriel View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MizuTaipu View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Jolty94 View Post
    I'd also like to say, in one episode, they did actually refer to Riceballs as Riceballs, but it was a one off... They then returned to Donuts... When I find that episode I will tell everyone the name xD Right now I'm blank lol.
    That is EP025: Don't Be Mad Okorizaru!/Primeape Goes Bananas.
    Nope, they were in fact called doughnuts in that episode - in fact, the word "doughnuts" was overly stressed several times in that episode.

    I think the episode Jolty might have been refering to was this episode - or perhaps, there were other cases where the term riceballs was used.
    4Kids also called them riceballs in AG008, too, IIRC. Jessie was like, "Hey! That's my last riceball!" They only started the "sandwich/cracker" crap with the last episode of Season 7 ("A Judgment Brawl"), and in the middle of Season 8. They were actually very good on rice balls in Season 6.
    Last edited by Pokémon Master Ash; 2nd February 2013 at 10:10 AM.
    pokemon fan 132 and Jolty94 like this.

Page 10 of 11 FirstFirst ... 891011 LastLast

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •