Pokémon Evolution/Capture/Release Thread

[dman_dustin]

I just remembered...wasn't the whole Meguroko toy for Ash stated to be released around December? And now we have a toy coming up for Ash's Kurumiru.

Now I know it's not totally reflective but you'd think that if Zuruggu was going to be in the party soon, we'd get to hear about it through toys and merchandise. It seems to me, imo, that we would see Meguroko and Kurumiru first.

This isn't confirmation for who's in the egg and all. However, it is something to take note of because it might be something that could help find out which pokemon will be seen in the group.

Well I don't know, the advertisers seem more intent on showcasing Mogrew, I don't know if we've ever had any merchandise on Doryuzu, and Ishizumai as well, so I don't know if it really means anything. But I see your point, I mean Zuruggu is happening most likely in February, that I guess it would make sense that Iris wouldn't get anything any time soon.

So in that essence, it would make more sense that the egg hatches into Meguroco.

I just remembered...wasn't the whole Meguroko toy for Ash stated to be released around December? And now we have a toy coming up for Ash's Kurumiru.

Now I know it's not totally reflective but you'd think that if Zuruggu was going to be in the party soon, we'd get to hear about it through toys and merchandise. It seems to me, imo, that we would see Meguroko and Kurumiru first.

This isn't confirmation for who's in the egg and all. However, it is something to take note of because it might be something that could help find out which pokemon will be seen in the group.

Similar design and both are grass types... meh...

Since when is a Catepillar that evolves into a "bipedal alien" anywhere close to a snake?

Because the color of the egg match

And I here I thought Zuruggu was yellow, not tan or dark orange.

and that Iris is shown next to egg in a picture

And Oshawott is seen next to Dento in the sketches, your point.

then next to a Zuruggu in sketches.

As Ash6k pointed out, no Zuruggu merchandise at all. Hell it doesn't even appear in those anime like calendar pictures at all. But Meguroco and Kurumiru are. Yep Calendar pictures prove it for me, Iris isn't getting until February or March. I'm sure the egg hatches before then.

It's not as though Ash held it in its arms in that one episode... sorry your point?

That was at what point in the episode? Like oh right, after Ash almost decided to catch it. Ash is holding Meguroco in the sketches in what appears to be the beginning of the episode. Fail to see the point of it being wild in that case.

[Hellion]

Fail to see the point of it being wild in that case.

I'm simply saying let's not jump to conclusions, anything could happen at this point. I mean, a few weeks ago, Musashi was saying that James was getting a Desukan because of a similar toyline and lo and behold it's showing up in episode 14 on Dento's face. Same toy line had no Doryuzuu or Ishizumai yet they're on the show.

Right now, you want it to be a croc so you're trying to make everything fit to be the croc, but it might not be.

Oh and Janovy looks like Kurumiru's final form somewhat. The shapes are similar. There's nothing really exciting so far about the design of that line. I'll share the scepticism that Ash might not really be getting one.

The writers need to give Ash a permenant ghost Pokemon.

Agreed.

[Masurao]

The writers need to give Ash a permenant ghost Pokemon.

[Xenon]

The writers need to give Ash a permenant ghost Pokemon.

I agree I always thought that Ash should have caught that Sabeleye back in Hoenn or he should have caught a Dusclops or a Dusknoir sometime in Sinnoh. I don't really think a lot of the Unova ghost type suit him though well Gobitto sort of does but I really don't wamt him with another ground type especially if he gets Meguroco. If Ash gets a Kurumiru and has it evolve all the way into a Hahakurimo I could see it either sent for training or released sometime before the league to start a family. Which I hope doesn't happen

[martianmister]

4. Megurocco is a wild pokémon, stays wild, Ash doesn't catch it, Ash doesn't get any Megurocco... ever.

Then explain this scene:

Satoshi's hat is stolen again! What he will do?







Follow it with some wild his Meguroco ofcourse!

And Oshawott is seen next to Dento in the sketches, your point.

1- She had a Zuruggu in BW020 sketches...
2- She is with an egg in an episode between BW013 and BW020...
3- Egg had colored like a Zuruggu...

Coincidence? Or not...

And I here I thought Zuruggu was yellow, not tan or dark orange.

Only difference is tan at yellow parts. And anime artwork never been hundred percent loyal to games' color tones anyway...

As Ash6k pointed out, no Zuruggu merchandise at all. Hell it doesn't even appear in those anime like calendar pictures at all.

There is no big merchandise for Doryuzu and Ishizumai as well...

That's why the egg being Zuruggu doesn't make any sense. No matter how you try to justify it. If Ash is getting Kurumiru soon after BW015, how do you explain Meguroco which seems to be implied as being obtained first as well as being Ash's preferred choice?

Your point is mood. Meguroco could be catched in anytime soon...

And secondly, I don't know why most of you are so intent that the egg is Zuruggu. Honestly how does that make even more sense than Meguroco?

1. We already had a recurring Meguroco in the anime. And he is, after revealed as a good guy, mysteriously attacked to Satoshi for some reason... The reason could be his want to be catched by Satoshi.
2. We know from BW020 sketches, there will be a Zuruggu in the cast and he will be sitting on Iris' head...
3. For advertisement of an "egg event" in the games, they give a egg to Satoshi...
4. Anime's egg is similar to egg in the games, but had a different color scheme. There must be a reason for this change. Likeliness to pokemon within egg is a good reason...
5. Egg and Zuruggu had similar colors...
6. This scene:

If it really was going to be a Zuruggu egg or even remotely like the eggs in the past, the egg wouldn't look so damn boring and generic. Hell Phanpy's egg was only one color but it was less generic looking than the egg Ash has. Eevee only has two colors and yet it's egg had more pizazz than the egg Ash has.

Egg looks generic because it's directly based on "generic event pokemon egg" in the games:

[Hellion]

Explanation: Klepto duck stole Megurocco's glasses and he lost all its confidence. Klepto duck steals Ash's hat. Ash and Megurocco help each other find their missing items.

Capture optional.

Unless there's a character sheet or any indication that this Satoshi's megurocco...

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For all it's worth, the croc will probably fill the sixth slot on Ash's team, but I've yet to see an irrefutable proof that says so.

If that's true... yay! Yet another scaredy cat baby pokémon who doesn't want to battle. I'm suddenly oh so thrilled by this developpement. Ash is finally getting the pokémon that we all saw coming from a mile away and that offers nothing new...[/sarcasm]

[Ash6K]

There is no big merchandise for Doryuzu and Ishizumai as well...

Hence why I said in my first point that toys aren't that reflective. But they do show something at least. I mean it does mean that Ash is probably going to get Meguroko soon as well as Kurumiru. Is he really going to catch one after Aloe's gym battle then catch a Kurumiru later all with an egg in hand?

I mean the egg has to hatch soon right? The timing of everything we know so far just makes sense for Meguroko to be an egg.

Now I know there is a possibility of Zuruggu being the egg too and hey, if it happens, fine. Not what I agree with but whatever. Still, is it really hard to think it might be Meguroko too? I mean in terms of how the egg looks and other stuff you could also argue that:

- the spots reflect on the egg being like an actual croc egg, its tan like Meguroko (not exactly but it's not exactly Zuruggu either)
- SG Meguroko's appearance was foreshadowing what egg it would be
- the pic with Iris doesn't mean much since she could've been looking at Ash's egg for a good few seconds.

I hope the egg hatches in BW13 at the end. That way, this whole egg discussion can stop and we can speculate about other captures. I mean like who's James' new pokemon if toy merchandise partnered him up with just Meowth? Also, I just want to get to the part where Ash catches and Kurumiru and what's the situation going on there.

[Matt3225]

Well according to Sunyshore, Zuruggu is supposed to be getting a plush sometime in January. Wasn't the Meguroko toys supposed to come out this month which would lead me to theorize that Meguroko will be obtained before Zuruggu

just a note-- zuruggu is now getting a takara tomy plush in january, which is usually an honor reserved for pokemon the anime is specifically focusing on/that one of the kids has recently caught.

[Shift]

Then explain this scene:

Satoshi's hat is stolen again! What he will do?







Follow it with some wild his Meguroco ofcourse!

Wouldn't he have normally just recalled his Pokemon into its nice, light ball rather than lug it around? :/

[dman_dustin]

1- She had a Zuruggu in BW020 sketches...

That doesn't even remotely come close to proving the egg is Zuruggu. Or did you forget that Iris could just catch Zuruggu naturally.

2- She is with an egg in an episode between BW013 and BW020...

And Oshawott is seen next to Dento. Ash ordered Lombre around before it evolved. Just because something is near someone or even someone orders a Pokemon doesn't mean they belong to said certain character as the case with Brock's Lombre.

3- Egg had colored like a Zuruggu

It's colors are vaguely similiar. Yooterri makes more sense and the only reason why it's not really being suggested is because Yooterri isn't being suggested as belonging to anyone on the main cast.

Coincidence? Or not...


6. This scene:

The scene is quite obvious. As we see in an another scene we see Ash walking on a road and it glows. It's plainly obvious that the scene with Iris is only after Ash himself puts the egg down and takes off the incubator case. Iris is just kneeling down to observe it.

However at this moment, there's one thing to consider. Ash still needs to take the egg to Nurse Joy as one of the scenes show. If that's the case and the egg glows first then it's quite obvious that the glowing egg scene was just a tease and it wasn't quite hatching yet. making the Iris being next to the egg picture even more moot than it is in this argument.

And I apologize for moving #6 up here, but I didn't want to move my paragraph down.

There is no big merchandise for Doryuzu and Ishizumai as well...

While I admit that I didn't see Ishizumai, in the Calendar pictures, there is Doryuzu, Meguroco, and Kurumiru. Aside from Ishizumai, want to know who else is missing (from the pictures we have)? Zuruggu.

Your point is mood. Meguroco could be catched in anytime soon...

I never said I couldn't, all I'm saying it doesn't make any sense for Ash to capture Sunglasses Meguroco right before Kurumiru, as I already said at least the egg being Meguroco makes there a gap between captures.

Or is Ash going to capture any Pokemon that Iris/Dento/Etc don't catch? Because honestly, while it's great the team is being caught this early, all this capturing makes me think that Unova is going to be some capture fest series, where Ash does nothing but catch Pokemon. Seriously let there be some space.

1. We already had a recurring Meguroco in the anime. And he is, after revealed as a good guy, mysteriously attacked to Satoshi for some reason... The reason could be his want to be catched by Satoshi.

I forgot your earlier comment on something similar, but as I said I pointed out Jigglypuff, Snubbull, Spoink, and Hippopotas and how they mean nothing. And you explained them with a counterargument. But why couldn't that argument apply to Meguroco. Who says Ash's Meguroco HAS to be hatched Meguroco.

2. We know from BW020 sketches, there will be a Zuruggu in the cast and he will be sitting on Iris' head...

Or as some people are implying with Meguroco it doesn't mean anything.

<Side Discussion> Hellion I want you to answer this question: If the Meguroco in the sketches mean jack shit, then why would Zuruggu mean anything since one could use that same argument with Zuruggu. Is it really the egg? Because for all we know a mutant fish could hatch from the egg not that's likely but we don't know what's hatching, and know matter how certain you may be, it's still not fact.So Hellion if Meguroco being in the sketches means that it's not Ash's Pokemon. Then Zuruggu being with Iris means that it's not hers. Being on top of someone's head is no more "intimate" than actually holding and carrying a Pokemon.

3. For advertisement of an "egg event" in the games, they give a egg to Satoshi...

With this information alone, and you wanted to be ignorant about the possibility of story twist, is quite unarguable. If it's Ash's egg, then it should hatch into Ash's Pokemon. This information remotely applying to Iris with just that statement alone is illogical.

4. Anime's egg is similar to egg in the games, but had a different color scheme. There must be a reason for this change. Likeliness to pokemon within egg is a good reason

While we didn't see them clearly, all the eggs in the daycare looked the same, I doubt if it was going to be generic that they would've bothered with making the egg match the Pokemon.

5. Egg and Zuruggu had similar colors.

As I've said they are only vaguely similar, and it seems more like people are trying to see something that isn't there, like that face on Mars or whatever and a scientific program proved that it was just a big nothing.

@ Ask6k

Now I know there is a possibility of Zuruggu being the egg too and hey, if it happens, fine. Not what I agree with but whatever. Still, is it really hard to think it might be Meguroko too? I mean in terms of how the egg looks and other stuff you could also argue that:

I 110% agree with this. I'll concede if it ends up being Zuruggu or some random non Meguroco, but with every single bit of information we have, how does Zuruggu make sense, I mean compare the two (and no I'm not even using color scheme of the egg since at this moment that argument is moot):

Zuruggu:

1. One is seen on Iris in sketches of BW020.

Meguroco:

1. One is seen with Ash in Sketches of BW020.

2. There is Meguroco toy coming soon that implies that it will be part of Ash's team (December something right, if it hasn't already been released).

3. Ash was a major focus of BW012, resulting in him getting an egg.

4. In the past any person who has an egg case has always received ownership of the egg. Togepi did not have an egg case. Phanpy was Ash's not Brock or Misty's. Eevee was May's not Ash, Brock or Max's. Happiny was Brock's not Ash or Dawn's. Cyndaquil was Dawn's not Ash or Brock's.

All those egg Pokemon have one thing in common. The character who got the Pokemon was the one who got the egg and it came with an egg case. With that knowledge alone, Ash is getting the Pokemon inside the egg since HE was the one who was given the egg in the egg case.

5. Ash is apparently catching a Kurumiru, after the Aloe gym which is between BW016 to BW019 (BW020 had Ash with a Meguroco), It is highly unlikely unless it's caught sooner that Ash will catch SG Meguroco so soon before Kurumiru, and it definitely can't be caught after. Or as I've said Unova will just be some giant capture-fest, and Ash has a whole bunch of Pokemon that may only get one win at the Unova league.

6. Ash's Meguroco seems to be happening before Iris's Zuruggu if the toy merchandise is anything to go by. And at this moment, how does the egg being Zuruggu make any sense? We haven't seen any proof that Ash will catch the SG Meguroco before the egg hatches and why would Ash? Ash technically has 6 Pokemon, and he would likely be more interested in what the egg hatches into than catching a random Pokemon like SG Meguroco because it attacks him.

[Chaosblazer]

In the past any person who has an egg case has always received ownership of the egg. Togepi did not have an egg case. Phanpy was Ash's not Brock or Misty's. Eevee was May's not Ash, Brock or Max's. Happiny was Brock's not Ash or Dawn's. Cyndaquil was Dawn's not Ash or Brock's.

One thing I have learned from watching the show is that once you think a pattern is set in stone, then somewhere alone the line it will be broken, I wouldn't be suprised if this was one of those cases.

besides, Swift brings up a good point. If the croc in the sketches was hatched from the egg, why wouldn't Ash return it to it's pokeball before chasing the swan?

I'm thinking that maybe without the glasses, the SG croc might be "blind" which could be why Ash is carrying it, if it were a baby he would've returned it before trying to get his hat back because carrying the extra weight allows the bird to get away quicker, and we all know how Ash loves his hats.

[martianmister]

For all it's worth, the croc will probably fill the sixth slot on Ash's team, but I've yet to see an irrefutable proof that says so.

Fair enough...

If that's true... yay! Yet another scaredy cat baby pokémon who doesn't want to battle. I'm suddenly oh so thrilled by this developpement. Ash is finally getting the pokémon that we all saw coming from a mile away and that offers nothing new...[/sarcasm]

There is no real evidence about his "scaredy cat baby" personality. He could be the SG Meguroco. And same "scaredy cat" arguement (based on some sketches) could be applied to Mijumaru as well:

Wouldn't he have normally just recalled his Pokemon into its nice, light ball rather than lug it around? :/

besides, Swift brings up a good point. If the croc in the sketches was hatched from the egg, why wouldn't Ash return it to it's pokeball before chasing the swan?

Meguroco will be used against Klepto ducks...

the spots reflect on the egg being like an actual croc egg, its tan like Meguroko (not exactly but it's not exactly Zuruggu either)

"Crocodile egg" theory is mood, because it's directly based on "Game Egg". And "game egg" will be hatched to three different pokemon...

[Chaosblazer]

Meguroco will be used against Klepto ducks...

Oh yes because Ash would blantantly throw a potential newborn up against a pokemon it has Type disadvantage to.

[martianmister]

Oh yes because Ash would blantantly throw a potential newborn up against a pokemon it has Type disadvantage to.

Aren't you read my posts? My point is "BW20 Meguroco = SG Meguroco". And how that's different from Dawn and her Cyndaquil? And Satoshi not hundred percent cares about type disadvantages. Just look at Sanyou Gym...

[Matt3225]

Oh yes because Ash would blantantly throw a potential newborn up against a pokemon it has Type disadvantage to.

He threw his newborn Phanpy up against a Delibird so why not? With the toy releases it looks like meguroko is obtained first which would make it the logical choice to come out of the egg unless the toy was released because of SG. I would rather it this way so that Iris gets a focus episode herself where she will capture Zuruggu rather than push Ash out of the way at the last minute when his egg hatches