Pokémon Evolution/Capture/Release Thread

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Originally Posted by Masurao

Scraggy is by far my favorite Pokemon on Best Wishes so far. I don't mind it's slow development. It's needs some new attacks, but I'm sure they'll come....eventually. I just hope it doesn't lose it's personality and still get's screen time when it evolves.

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He's in my top 2 just behind Tsutarja in terms of preferrence, but I agree that its developpement is gonna be slow but interesting. One thing I noticed was that Zuruzukin and Onondo are supposed to be the same height, so it does beg the question, will Kibago actually fully evolve while it's on the show?

Overall Zuruggu's personality is definitely a plus as far as Best Wishes in concerned.

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Writers better not have Ash release it dammit.

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He's not the pokémon Ash should release... coughkurumayucough

Speaking of, am I the only one who's more and more unsure we'll see Kurumayu fully evolved? technically, the writers have already featured its evolved form in a big way in the Arti match so I wouldn't be surprised if it stayed the same or was released as is.

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Originally Posted by Hellion

Speaking of, am I the only one who's more and more unsure we'll see Kurumayu fully evolved? technically, the writers have already featured its evolved form in a big way in the Arti match so I wouldn't be surprised if it stayed the same or was released as is.

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Saying that will mean that Snivy or Tepig will not evolve either because of Bianca and Trip having them. I think Snivy will evolve once and Tepig might evolve or stay as it is.

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Originally Posted by Hellion

Speaking of, am I the only one who's more and more unsure we'll see Kurumayu fully evolved? technically, the writers have already featured its evolved form in a big way in the Arti match so I wouldn't be surprised if it stayed the same or was released as is.

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Well, why should it not evolve just because we saw its evolution? It evolves through being close with its Trainer, and close bonds is what Ash is all about. (That, and several cans of Red Tauros and caffeine pills.)

Just because we saw its evolution doesn't really mean the Pokemon won't evolve. That doesn't make a whole lot of sense at this point.

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Originally Posted by Hellion

Speaking of, am I the only one who's more and more unsure we'll see Kurumayu fully evolved? technically, the writers have already featured its evolved form in a big way in the Arti match so I wouldn't be surprised if it stayed the same or was released as is.

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Is Sewaddle really that bad of a pokemon to you?

Is it really that detrimental to Ash's team.

While I like Snivy, I personally don't see what everyone loves in it so much, it's just a Buizel and Treeco 2.0

DP long ago wrecked the idea that if someone else has an evo, then Ash can't have it. Gym Leaders are of no concern to me since we don't see them too often. (at least not as often as recurring rivals and whatnot) Despite that Paul had both Torterra AND Gliscor, Ash still evoed his pokes those forms. (although this meant Paul's own Gliscor was Put on a Bus and his Torterra didn't get to see the league) Pika not evolving was just a foregone conclusion, since it'd be too risky to change the mascot of the ENTIRE FRANCHISE. I'm just glad they resolved the thunderstone once and for all, and we don't have to worry about it anymore. Whether Piplup would evo or not was something that was always in the air. Both of his evolved forms appeared in the show, being possessed by rival characters before it was finally decided to Everstone him. One could argue that his co-mascot status made it inevitable, but you have to remember this was the first time a pokemon was given equal billing with Pika. We really could not say for certain what they would do with it. It would've still been safe to assume that Piplup would stay Piplup.

BW is quite confusing about how it's handling it's pokemon. At first, it seemed Axew would co-star, but it is certainly being downplayed for being on the show as often as it is. Also, the starters are frequently shown with Pika. I don't recall the starters being shown with Pika as much before, but my memory is fuzzy on the matter. We have two recurring characters, both with evolved forms of the starters, but like I said, that could mean nothing. Worry if a recurring character shows up with the FULLY evolved form on top of the characters that are already around.

In this venue, Axew is surprisingly the least threatened, since no one has it's evolved forms, and now that it has mastered Dragon Rage, the path is open for it evolve at any time. Tepig is the next least threatened simply because there really isn't much to him. Bianca having Pignite is again of little consequence, but I will still watch it closely. After some deliberation, perhaps Snivy has more of a chance to evo than Osha does right now. Don't get me wrong, I like Osha and I do want to see it evolve, but it has a dangerous mix of qualities: Comic relief and top billed starter. (Admittedly, top billed starter could also work in Osha's favor) Osha could more snugly fit into the role of co-mascot, although I do not believe that term truly fits any one poke right now. Snivy is only threatened by the fact it beat it's evolved form. Little else holds it down.

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Originally Posted by Samurott

I'm just glad they resolved the thunderstone.

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Here's an idea: one of the TRio gets a Eelekrtik or something. They have the Thunderstone, right?

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Originally Posted by Cascada

Is Sewaddle really that bad of a pokemon to you?

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Yes

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Is it really that detrimental to Ash's team.

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Yes, but that's not what I was referring to.

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Originally Posted by Samurott

DP long ago wrecked the idea that if someone else has an evo, then Ash can't have it.

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I was more referring to the writers having a "Highlander approach" to showcasing non-starter pokémon. There can only be one.

Sure Paul had a Gliscor but was it even seen on screen after Ash's evolved? (Once, I think, in DP100 where it was just in the background) Starters or pokémon with noticable gender difference are of course gonna be focused on by more than one character, but the Sewaddle line doesn't really have that many defining characteristics that haven't been showcased through Arti's Leavanny and with the writers having more pokémon to showcase than before, I'm kinda wondering if the writers didn't give Ash a Sewaddle and a Swadloon because they needed to showcase the line outside of Arti's Leavanny.

Though there's many cases of gym leaders and Ash sharing species, I don't know.

Hellion, Sewaddle isn't that bad of a pokemon. It's your bias that gets in the way of liking it. If Gible came back, you would be head over heels, whether it took the screentime of EVERY SINGLE ONE OF ASH'S POKEMON, or not.

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Originally Posted by Hellion

I was more referring to the writers having a "Highlander approach" to showcasing non-starter pokémon. There can only be one.

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There are MANY instances of Ash getting a Pokemon species that debuted long before Ash caught them. So what are you talking about?

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Sure Paul had a Gliscor but was it even seen on screen after Ash's evolved?

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Because Burgh is a recurring character we'll see every ten to fifteen episodes, right? Wow, I'm sorry Hellion, but you're not making any sense whatsoever. I know you hate Ash's Swadloon, but that cannot be why you're acting like this.

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I'm kinda wondering if the writers didn't give Ash a Sewaddle and a Swadloon because they needed to showcase the line outside of Arti's Leavanny.

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Yeah, I'm sorry Hellion, but I think your brain overloaded or something, and it needs to be cooldown (if you've seen Dexter's Laboratory, think of the one where Dexter's brain overloaded resulting in him being brainless throughout the episode), because you cannot really be serious.

Since when did the writer's ever care about showcasing a whole line? If that was the case. The main characters would be catching all the Pokemon and releasing them once they've done their job.

I half take it back what I said before, I'm starting to think this is is partially because you hate Ash's Swadloon, because you want it to be released without hesitation, without a second thought, so you want it to be released before it has a chance to evolve.

But if that was the case why not just say that. Instead of using a disproven theory as the one you're using.

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Originally Posted by dman_dustin

I'm starting to think this is is partially because you hate Ash's Swadloon, because you want it to be released without hesitation, without a second thought, so you want it to be released before it has a chance to evolve.

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While I do agree with you on that, you aren't so innocent yourself dman dustin. You are one of the most notorious Ash fans around this place, and if one person were to criticize him, they would be labled an idiot by you. Maybe not blatantly stated but you get the drift.

I think the writers should take their time on the way to Elesa's Gym, give Iris and her Pokemon some more screentime, they are the ones in desperate need of it, as well as Dento.

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Originally Posted by Cascada

While I do agree with you on that, you aren't so innocent yourself dman dustin.

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This isn't about innocence of anyone (or whatever you think I'm arguing). This is about me trying to understand why Hellion would've even argue what he did.

Did anyone on the main cast have a Houndour or a Houndoom?
Did anyone on the main cast have an Abra or it's evolutionary line?
Did anyone on the main cast have the Hoppip Line?
How about the Ralts line?
Or maybe the Shinx Line?

No. Then why argue: I'm kinda wondering if the writers didn't give Ash a Sewaddle and a Swadloon because they needed to showcase the line outside of Arti's Leavanny. Why would they care? Are you saying that it was so marketable and needed to be on the main cast? But how many marketable Pokemon are out there that aren't on the main cast?

I'm just perplexed.

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Originally Posted by dman_dustin

Since when did the writer's ever care about showcasing a whole line?

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Since... ever...

All I'm saying is that the writers have to introduce all the new pokémon right? They knew that Arti was gonna have Leavanny and they were only gonna spend one episode in Yagumura forest, so how do you feature both Sewaddle and Swadloon? Have Ash catch one, evolve once, good battle, then what? We've already seen Leavanny in action, it's not an especially special line and doesn't really require much in the way of advertising. It has no real purpose on the main cast with his lack of attacking bug moves and personality, so I'm wondering...

Basically, if there was no other Leavanny out there that we know of, I'd agree that Ash's would evolve, but we've already seen on, in battle, so...

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Originally Posted by Cascada

Hellion, Sewaddle isn't that bad of a pokemon.

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The species is okay, I'm training one right now in White, but Ash's... no it's boring, redundant and detrimental.

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If Gible came back, you would be head over heels, whether it took the screentime of EVERY SINGLE ONE OF ASH'S POKEMON, or not.

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Not really. I'd rather see current pokémon being developped before the League. After it, I wouldn't mind if Gible came back and took the place of a pokémon that's done being developped, no.

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All I'm saying is that the writers have to introduce all the new pokémon right? They knew that Arti was gonna have Leavanny and they were only gonna spend one episode in Yagumura forest, so how do you feature both Sewaddle and Swadloon? Have Ash catch one, evolve once, good battle, then what? We've already seen Leavanny in action, it's not an especially special line and doesn't really require much in the way of advertising. It has no real purpose on the main cast with his lack of attacking bug moves and personality, so I'm wondering...

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Bug types are extremely popular. The series was originally based around catching bugs. Ash hasn't had a Bug-type since Heracross. Scoliopede doesn't fit Ash. The only other early game alternative is Sewaddle. That is the purpose it serves.

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Originally Posted by Hellion

The species is okay, I'm training one right now in White, but Ash's... no it's boring, redundant and detrimental.

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Well, the first and last are your opinions, not absolute fact.

Do we have to start insulting one another? Can't we get back to talking about what Pokemon might be caught/released/evolved?

Also, the reason it doesn't have a personality is that well it does. Sewaddle was an expy of Caterpie. Swadloon is a cocoon thingy so not a lot to do with it. Leavanny will, I'm sure, end up having a personality similar to Brock's Chansey or Dawn's Togekiss (mother to Ash's other Pokemon). It just has to wait for it's evolution to make it easier for the animators and writers to use. Sadly, you might have noticed that the writing staff sucks with Pokemon that aren't humanoid.