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    I've read through everything that was said here and noticed some poor excuses for Misty not coming back.

    1)Max needs to reappear.-Max is only seven, and the first episode of BW revealed Ash is still ten, which means Max is still seven and would need May or one of his parents to reappear
    2)The VA excuse-VAs are changed all the time
    3)They would need to bring back all 40 gymleaders-I doubt all of them would leave their gyms at the same time for a tournament that is so far away unless they were forced. Also they could some kind of special tournament maybe for water gym-leaders, which would also allow Shizui to make his debut. They make up interesting competitions all the time for example, the wallace cup, don george tournament, and the donamite.
    4)Gary and Brock would need to return as well-Gary just appeared in DP multiple times, and BW marks the second time we haven't had Brock as a traveling companion. There's not much that can be done with him since he has been around almost as long as Ash.
    5)Volkner would need to return-I've seen this multiple times, I don't get the importance of Volkner. He appeared in three episodes, and acted a lot like his game counterpart. He's no more important than the other gym leaders that were not Ash's traveling companions
    6)A reason is needed to bring her back-If they're bringing Dawn, a coordinator back, they don't need a reason.
    7)She's not mentioned at all or on the poster-it could be something for later in the season. Dawn set to appear in the first few episodes, plus it hasn't been stated why Dawn is returning. Cynthia is probably going to appear early as well.
    8)She hasn't appeared since 2006, she is forgotten-One other person mentioned this: In the episode where they catch buizel Ash is using Misty's lure, which I think it should be noted that he refuses to let Dawn use it.

    As a Misty fan I truly hop she makes an appearance, especially since BW presents plenty of opportunities. I would also love to see her interactions with Dent and Iris, and even Dawn if she's around for a while

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    I think the chances are pretty good. What would they have to lose? It would be a form on promotion for the game, plus there are lots of Misty fans still out there, who would almost certainly tune in and give the anime a ratings boost. It seems like a no brainer to me, If they pass up on the opportunity, I think they'll be shooting themselves in the foot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mwto View Post
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    3)They would need to bring back all 40 gymleaders-I doubt all of them would leave their gyms at the same time for a tournament that is so far away unless they were forced. Also they could some kind of special tournament maybe for water gym-leaders, which would also allow Shizui to make his debut. They make up interesting competitions all the time for example, the wallace cup, don george tournament, and the donamite.
    Or they could do a water pokemon tournament without Misty, as we've seen before. In fact, the writers have blatantly given water-centered plots in the show to other characters, let alone all the screentime other water characters get such as Juan, Wake, Wallace, etc.

    4)Gary and Brock would need to return as well-Gary just appeared in DP multiple times, and BW marks the second time we haven't had Brock as a traveling companion. There's not much that can be done with him since he has been around almost as long as Ash.
    They wouldn't signal out Misty over the others. In fact I'd say Brock has a better chance of coming back of the 3, simply because he was a last gen character.

    6)A reason is needed to bring her back-If they're bringing Dawn, a coordinator back, they don't need a reason.
    They're bringing Dawn back because she was the last-gen female. Kids who grew up watching DP know her the best, and Piplup is still popular in Japan.

    )She hasn't appeared since 2006, she is forgotten-One other person mentioned this: In the episode where they catch buizel Ash is using Misty's lure, which I think it should be noted that he refuses to let Dawn use it.
    What does that have to do with anything? Nobody said Misty has been forgotten, just that the writers have stopped her episode appearances since AG, which is true. Otherwise why did the entire 191 ep span of DP come and go without a Misty return? Makes you wonder.

    As a Misty fan I truly hop she makes an appearance, especially since BW presents plenty of opportunities. I would also love to see her interactions with Dent and Iris, and even Dawn if she's around for a while
    I think the fact that the writers purposely made sure that Misty and Dawn never met in DP, makes me think they do not care about having all the main characters meet. May won't meet Iris/Cilan, and Dawn likely won't meet Misty.

    Its how it goes.

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    Anything is possible guys. Jasmine hasnt been in an eppy since 03 and they brought her back, Misty still has a chance!!
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    Jasmine was relevant at the time because of HGSS's release, and fit into a Sunyshore plot because she was there in the games. The tournament is looking to be post game and not related to plot, meaning it would be less pressing to fit in Misty.

    The advertising we currently have is the biggest inclination that we won't be seeing her, at least not right now. Even though it's been 7 years since we've seen her, she was a major part of the show for a considerable amount of time. If she were going to be coming back, they'd let us know. We won't be seeing her in the Junior Cup.

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    3)They would need to bring back all 40 gymleaders-I doubt all of them would leave their gyms at the same time for a tournament that is so far away unless they were forced. Also they could some kind of special tournament maybe for water gym-leaders, which would also allow Shizui to make his debut. They make up interesting competitions all the time for example, the wallace cup, don george tournament, and the donamite.
    Or they could do a water pokemon tournament without Misty, as we've seen before. In fact, the writers have blatantly given water-centered plots in the show to other characters, let alone all the screentime other water characters get such as Juan, Wake, Wallace, etc.
    Since when do water characters get major screentime? Juan appeared in two episodes which were Ash fighting him for his eighth hoenn badge, wake also appeared for two episodes, and a brief flashback, and wallace despite being part of the gen 3 games didn't appear until DP which is gen 4, and even then his screentime was minimal. The wallace cup arc was centered around ash, dawn, may, and even a little around zoey. Also when I mentioned the water tournament I imagined bringing in wake and juan as well.

    4)Gary and Brock would need to return as well-Gary just appeared in DP multiple times, and BW marks the second time we haven't had Brock as a traveling companion. There's not much that can be done with him since he has been around almost as long as Ash.
    They wouldn't signal out Misty over the others. In fact I'd say Brock has a better chance of coming back of the 3, simply because he was a last gen character.
    I wouldn't be surprised if Brock appeared, I would love to see him in BW2 as well, but Brock appearing would have nothing to do with Misty. It would actually be awesome if they appeared together just to watch the expressions on other characters faces at their actions.

    6)A reason is needed to bring her back-If they're bringing Dawn, a coordinator back, they don't need a reason.
    They're bringing Dawn back because she was the last-gen female. Kids who grew up watching DP know her the best, and Piplup is still popular in Japan.
    While it's true that that's probably their reason for bringing her back, I was talking about plot wise. If they can fit a coordinator into the plot of BW which takes place in a region without contest, then they can easily fit Misty in. Also unless your talking about Dawn's Piplup specifically, they don't need a character who already owns a piplup to bring a piplup into the show again. For example, with May they added both a squirtle and bulbasaur to the main cast again.



    )She hasn't appeared since 2006, she is forgotten-One other person mentioned this: In the episode where they catch buizel Ash is using Misty's lure, which I think it should be noted that he refuses to let Dawn use it.
    What does that have to do with anything? Nobody said Misty has been forgotten, just that the writers have stopped her episode appearances since AG, which is true. Otherwise why did the entire 191 ep span of DP come and go without a Misty return? Makes you wonder.
    Maybe not in those exact words but very similar, by saying because she is and old character she will not be brought back, because the younger generation doesn't know who she is, which is why I brought up the lure incident. I believe it shows that they don't intend to let her just fade away because she is from so early on.

    As a Misty fan I truly hop she makes an appearance, especially since BW presents plenty of opportunities. I would also love to see her interactions with Dent and Iris, and even Dawn if she's around for a while
    I think the fact that the writers purposely made sure that Misty and Dawn never met in DP, makes me think they do not care about having all the main characters meet. May won't meet Iris/Cilan, and Dawn likely won't meet Misty.
    I said I hope, not that they will. The writers have done surprising things before, we can't fully predict what they will do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mwto View Post
    Since when do water characters et major screentime? Juan appeared in two episodes which were Ash fighting him for his eighth hoenn badge, wake also appeared for two episodes, and a brief flashback, and wallace despite being part of the gen 3 games didn't appear until DP which is gen 4, and even then his screentime was minimal. The wallace cup arc was centered around ash, dawn, may, and even a little around zoey. Also when I mentioned the water tournament I imagined bringing in wake and juan as well.
    I just meant in general. Ash has a ton of water pokemon, Dawn's Piplup got a lot of spotlight...we're ALWAYS seeing water pokemon get tons of screentime even with Misty long gone. When that new Shuizu or whatever guy from BW2 appears, he'll be treated like all the other water Gym leaders in the past. I doubt Misty will be mentioned at all, as she wasn't when Juan, Wake, and Wallace appeared.

    Movie 9 was a movie all about water pokemon with a water legendary that was the "prince of the sea" for goodness sakes,and it was all made after Misty was gone.

    I wouldn't be surprised if Brock appeared, I would love to see him in BW2 as well, but Brock appearing would have nothing to do with Misty. It would actually be awesome if they appeared together just to watch the expressions on other characters faces at their actions.
    That's a good point, Brock does have nothing to do with Misty. That's why he lasted in the show for 8 years more than Misty did. So if Brock gets a cameo at some point, it doesn't mean any other Kanto Gym leader will. It'd be because he was in DP.

    Maybe not in those exact words but very similar, by saying because she is and old character she will not be brought back, because the younger generation doesn't know who she is, which is why I brought up the lure incident. I believe it shows that they don't intend to let her just fade away because she is from so early on.
    Misty still has already missed 10 years worth of episodes and nearly 550+ episodes with AG, DP and BW combined. They give her references for the same reason Tracey is still brought up, she was part of the shows history. Tracey is brought up at least once every saga, and he's one of the least important main characters of the show. Its not like anyone expects a big Tracey comeback everytime he's mentioned, so with Misty its the same deal.

    I said I hope, not that they will. The writers have done surprising things before, we can't fully predict what they will do.
    We can't predict, but I say right now the odds don't look good. It seems like the writers are only using Elite 4 characters and Champions for the tournament plots, rather than any old Gym leaders. As I said, I don't expect *any* of the pre-BW Gym leaders to return, so I am not signaling out Misty. If Brock appears at all it'll simply be because he was a traveling doctor, not as a Gym leader.

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    Since when do water characters et major screentime? Juan appeared in two episodes which were Ash fighting him for his eighth hoenn badge, wake also appeared for two episodes, and a brief flashback, and wallace despite being part of the gen 3 games didn't appear until DP which is gen 4, and even then his screentime was minimal. The wallace cup arc was centered around ash, dawn, may, and even a little around zoey. Also when I mentioned the water tournament I imagined bringing in wake and juan as well.
    I just meant in general. Ash has a ton of water pokemon, Dawn's Piplup got a lot of spotlight...we're ALWAYS seeing water pokemon get tons of screentime even with Misty long gone. When that new Shuizu or whatever guy from BW2 appears, he'll be treated like all the other water Gym leaders in the past. I doubt Misty will be mentioned at all, as she wasn't when Juan, Wake, and Wallace appeared.

    Movie 9 was a movie all about water pokemon with a water legendary that was the "prince of the sea" for goodness sakes,and it was all made after Misty was gone.
    No one expects them to bring her up every time there's a water gym leader, and plenty of other pokemon types are focused on as well. Fire types for example. Ash's abused fire types tend to be heavily concentrated on, also "Temple of the Sea" was concentrated on a water type because that was the chosen legendary for that movie. And Dawn's piplup is just shown to have a different personality like all her other pokemon as well, he is no different than other main cast pokemon. In reality, piplup was the start of traveling characters pokemon all having personalities as opposed to previously were very few did, or were ever elaborated on. On another note Ash usually catches one grass, flying, fire, and water type per region. The only exceptions were Kanto, and Unova, but the only ones that even got any real development were his main ones, and their development pales in comparison to some of his other types. Notice how all his grass types have very distinct personalities

    I wouldn't be surprised if Brock appeared, I would love to see him in BW2 as well, but Brock appearing would have nothing to do with Misty. It would actually be awesome if they appeared together just to watch the expressions on other characters faces at their actions.
    That's a good point, Brock does have nothing to do with Misty. That's why he lasted in the show for 8 years more than Misty did. So if Brock gets a cameo at some point, it doesn't mean any other Kanto Gym leader will. It'd be because he was in DP.
    Does that mean Paul, Barry, Nando, Conway, Zoey, Kenny, and Ursula will have reappearances just because they were in DP, plus Max never got a reappearance, but Gary got multiple in DP.

    Maybe not in those exact words but very similar, by saying because she is and old character she will not be brought back, because the younger generation doesn't know who she is, which is why I brought up the lure incident. I believe it shows that they don't intend to let her just fade away because she is from so early on.
    Misty still has already missed 10 years worth of episodes and nearly 550+ episodes with AG, DP and BW combined. They give her references for the same reason Tracey is still brought up, she was part of the shows history. Tracey is brought up at least once every saga, and he's one of the least important main characters of the show. Its not like anyone expects a big Tracey comeback everytime he's mentioned, so with Misty its the same deal.
    Though it should also be noted that Tracy isn't as popular, also he is Oak's assistant, plus he's had some cameos as well during AG.

    I said I hope, not that they will. The writers have done surprising things before, we can't fully predict what they will do.
    We can't predict, but I say right now the odds don't look good. It seems like the writers are only using Elite 4 characters and Champions for the tournament plots, rather than any old Gym leaders. As I said, I don't expect *any* of the pre-BW Gym leaders to return, so I am not signaling out Misty. If Brock appears at all it'll simply be because he was a traveling doctor, not as a Gym leader.
    If the writers told every little detail, then there would be no point to the show. The fun and enjoyment comes from surprising us with interesting additions to the plot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GreatLiver View Post
    Jasmine was relevant at the time because of HGSS's release, and fit into a Sunyshore plot because she was there in the games. The tournament is looking to be post game and not related to plot, meaning it would be less pressing to fit in Misty.

    The advertising we currently have is the biggest inclination that we won't be seeing her, at least not right now. Even though it's been 7 years since we've seen her, she was a major part of the show for a considerable amount of time. If she were going to be coming back, they'd let us know. We won't be seeing her in the Junior Cup.
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    Jasmine was a gym leader in the region of focus in HGSS, and had arguably the biggest storyline of the Johto Gym Leaders after Clair and perhaps Morty, albeit a small one. She was the second gym leader after Giovanni to be shown doing things not related to the Gym Leader occupation in the games she debuted in. Her city has similarities to Sunyshore, hence her cameo in DPPt in said town. She had a greater relevance than most characters when pertaining to HGSS.

    Compare to HGSS Misty, whose role in the game was to be on a date and to give the Cascade Badge, in a region that was not part of the HGSS main storyline. Jasmine had much more reason to be shown in the anime again than Misty did, as far as a HGSS cameo was concerned.

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    Well GameFreak put Jasmine in the DP games for some odd reason. It was the only reason she appeared in the anime. Her appearance in DP games back in 2006/2007 foreshadowed the inevitable GS remakes....but since the DP anime was so stretched out she didn't appear till 2010.

    Its the same reason they gave Marina 3 different cameos on early DP, despite the fact that when HGSS came out she would be replaced by Lyra. Perhaps the writers knew that and were trying to give Marina 3 separate 5 second cameos before her character faded away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonic Boom View Post
    Jasmine was a gym leader in the region of focus in HGSS, and had arguably the biggest storyline of the Johto Gym Leaders after Clair and perhaps Morty, albeit a small one. She was the second gym leader after Giovanni to be shown doing things not related to the Gym Leader occupation in the games she debuted in. Her city has similarities to Sunyshore, hence her cameo in DPPt in said town. She had a greater relevance than most characters when pertaining to HGSS.

    Compare to HGSS Misty, whose role in the game was to be on a date and to give the Cascade Badge, in a region that was not part of the HGSS main storyline. Jasmine had much more reason to be shown in the anime again than Misty did, as far as a HGSS cameo was concerned.
    I think what everyone is not really thinking about is the fact that the game doesn't have to do with the anime, which was proved the minute Brock and Misty joined Ash in the original series, plus currently Ash isn't getting his eighth badge from Drayden, he's getting it from Homika. Roles in the game overall have nothing to do with the anime. Also Misty does play more in the game than dating. You can't catch Suicune until you run into her, and you find the machine part in her gym.

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    mwto's got a point. The anime may be largely based on the games, but it doesn't have to be completely faithful to it. All they need to be concerned with is deciding how to make the anime entertaining. What reflects the games the most? The Pokemon themselves right? If they have a good number of Pokemon from the current gen that people recognize featured in the anime, they've already got their "advertising" needs covered, and could probably combine it with whatever human characters, occasional older Pokemon, maybe even whatever region they want. I think the key is to balance cleverness, diversity, and yes, even a little nostalgia.
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    Whatever the case, there has not been one single indication that Misty, or any older character other than Dawn for that matter, will appear in BW2.

    So there's nothing to say really, Misty could very well not appear this saga at all just like she didn't appear in DP at all. DP was the first generation without a single real Misty appearance, this gen might be the first one where she's not even mentioned. Even Ash doesn't seem to have taken the Misty lure to Unova, as in that fishing episode Cilan used a lure shaped as himself but Ash didn't pull out a Misty lure.

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    We'll just have to wait then. So far we've got the possibility of some event with Gym leaders as reflected in the games. Whatever the case is, they're definitely mixing things up a bit in BW2, reflecting a bit of previous gens vibe throughout and they might have more surprises during gen 6. Lets hope so.
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