- Satoshi/Ash Ketchum: 801 episodes
- Team Rocket: 736 episodes
- Takeshi/Brock: 633 episodes
- Kasumi/Misty: 282 episodes
- Hikari/Dawn: 201 episodes
- Haruka/May: 197 episodes
- Masato/Max: 192 episodes
- Iris: 141 episodes
- Dent/Cilan: 138 episodes
- Kenji/Tracey: 44 episodes
Depends on your perspective, like anything else.
In terms of being a competent, mature, and level-headed trainer, he's an absolute failure here.
In terms of going beyond the norm and showing the willingness to sacrifice himself for the sake of others and his Pokemon, as well as the ability to think more with the heart than the head alone, he's a brilliant success here.
Personally, I feel the latter here.
Last edited by Pokémon Master Ash; 30th July 2013 at 02:56 PM.
Awesome Pokerap: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZQgrtg0uus
1. The Anime: OS > AG > BW > DP > XY (Tentative)
2. The English Dub: 4Kids + TAJ Productions (Seasons 1-5) > 4Kids Entertainment (Seasons 6-8) > DuArt Film and Video (Seasons 11-17) > TAJ Productions (Seasons 9-10)
3. The Manga: RSE > RBY > DPPt > BW > GSC
4. Pokemon: The Origin: Excellent: 95/100.
Dubbed Version: Very Good: 86.3/100.
5. The Movies: OS > AG > DP = BW
Basically, Haunter "won" the Marsh badge for Ash.
Haunter wasn't even really Ash's Pokemon due to how he never captured it and like Trainer Gabriel mentioned, it wasn't even involved in the battle. It just constantly disappeared to create more humor and tension for the situation only to appear near the end to make Sabrina laugh by its own choice that prevented Sabrina from winning. Ash really didn't deserve a badge for doing pretty much nothing other than providing a means to make Sabrina laugh.
Ash essentially won by default in the Sabrina battle, because an external influence (ie: not one of Ash's own pokemon, or one he had any command over) subdued Kadabra by making it laugh (as opposed to even taking it on in a battle proper). Which was a disappointingly weak way to end what had, up until that point, been one of Kanto's most interesting arcs. Sabrina was the only gym leader, at that stage, whom Ash was not able to defeat in a single episode, and she was depicted as having sickeningly twisted powers, which extended well beyond the realm of pokemon battling (turning people into dolls, etc). So I can understand why people find that rematch a bit of a fizzler.
Having said that, my least favourite Kanto gym battle was always, by far, the 8th battle, against the TRio. The concept of a gym where the trainer is forced to suffer physical abuse along with their pokemon is actually pretty interesting, but the battle itself kind of got lost amid those scenes of Ash and Jessie repeatedly getting their asses shocked. That's where the focus seemed to be, not upon the actual fighting. I mean, really, what even happened in that battle? Squirtle and Bulbasaur just got kicked around and couldn't land any attacks, Pidgeotto got in a couple of successful hits against Rhydon, then Pikachu jumps in and finishes everything off with a single electric attack. On top of which, Ash didn't even succeed in knocking out any of the pokemon that Giovanni had loaned to the TRio - they just ran away, conveniently enough, because they couldn't handle a single Thunderbolt from Pikachu.
On the plus side, the rematches against Surge and Blaine were pretty good.
Ash was never really *that* bad in Kanto; it's just that he was a novice (albeit a more talented one than many realize) going up against veterans (Surge, Erika, Koga) and outright aces(Brock, Sabrina, Blaine). It didn't help that the writers kept lobbing diablus ex machinas and idiot balls at him from time to time, either, as Ash generally shined when neither was in effect(the rematches with Surge and Blaine both come to mind here).
Now for the two I didn't reference in my first paragraph.
At Cerulean, Ash would have utterly crushed Misty if it hadn't been for her influence over Pikachu(thankfully rectified by Johto), which was pointed out (though not in quite way) by her sisters. Even then, Misty was in dire straits by the time TR showed up, as Staryu had only recovered from Stun Spore via an arguable deus ex machina (which would later spawn a repeat during the Wallace Cup) and Starmie had gotten Whirlwinded into the wall and out of commision. On top of this, Ash had at the very least gotten a good read of her fighting style from the both the Pidgeotto-Starmie bout and the previous one, so Misty was likely running out of moves at this point. Yet, for a long time afterwards, she---and much of the fanbase as well, it seems---keeps claiming that Ash got the Cascade Badge from nothing more than Daisy's pity. Ugh.
The Viridian battle was, simply put, not well-written at *all.* Ash on a (unbeknownst to anyone sans TR) booby-trapped platform that electrocutes him with every blow his pokemon takes, with Jessie (who's hardly a stranger to Growlithe-kicking at this point) on the opposite one and packing loaner pokemon that are supposed to be much tougher than her normal roster? Great opportunity to showcase *exactly* how much of a determinator Ash really is. What happens instead? We get Ash's two unevolved---but still formidable for their stage---starters going up against two of Jessie's juggernauts and getting worfed, then a sudden Pidgeotto sweep(against Machamp and possibly Kingler, I can understand, but Rhydon?), followed by Rocket comedy and Togepi ex machina. Ouch.
So no, while Ash was hardly as great as he claimed to be back then, he certainly wasn't *awful.* He's had his highs and lows in Kanto, but with few exceptions, there were always signs of his potential as a trainer as would be demonstrated during his better moments in Johto and Hoenn.
Avid Advance/Ability/Fire/Imite/Morpheusshipper, because Ash deserves to eventually be with someone who will treat him as an equal, not as a little brother or lesser rival.
Also supports Coastline(Misty actually *respects* Dorian enough to be able to carry out a healthy romantic relationship with him), Luck(no way in hell Lucy's forgotten about Brock), and Twinleafshipping(as much as I like Kenny as a person, Barry should have gotten his role---and the crush on Dawn---too).
Pikachu. She didn't said anything about Ash choice of pokemon with Pikachu himself choosing not to battle against her with excuse of being his friend. Misty only when Pikachu already made decision thanked being happy of not confronting electric type. But she in no way influenced Ash pokemon.
I also fail to see what was "deux machina" about Staryu diving in water to wash of stun spore? He didn't suddenly fired unknown attack out of nowhere, there wasn't provided some contrived out of blue situation which would resolve aid problem nor intervention of "higher power". Misty simply commanded him to jump in water being barely few inches far from it to wash spore of, being plausible and legal strategy to use terrain to your advantage. Speaking of Starmie it was still able to battle when TR interrupted , as Ash was just about to command another attack.
But even if Pidgeotto won i fail to see how was Ash "winning". When it was clearly pointed out in same episode how he lost first round with Butterfree through Staryu which could likely be her strongest pokemon at that point. Considering it had easier time in beating fully evolved form as oppose to his "bigger brother".
He was coming back putting her in clinch, but it surely didn't seemed to me like win was guaranteed.
Regardless Ash reading Misty style and preparing for it can work both ways. Since i doubt she would use same strategy with Staryu after Starmie ending knocked down either.
I still think how badges in Cerulean, Pewter and Saffron city were obtained through rather questionable, even forced manner. But than again Ash was in its rookie stages, show still tried to find its right tune and writers liked to experiment through kinky, out of place plots so some inconsistencies and badly wriitten battles can be excused for such early stage,. Nonetheless each gym was unique and enjoyable finding myself to enjoy personally in all battles and Ash attempts to win badges and qualify for league.
Last edited by pokemon fan 132; 29th July 2013 at 12:18 PM.
The Pokemon animated series pretend to teach it's audience that with determination, perseveration, effort and a good hearth, you can make your dreams come true.
The problem is that all those values, alone, do not give you any victory. And that's where Ash problems begin with. He lacks of skills. You can not win an Onix with a Pikachu. Unless you have an advantage of, like 30 levels, or one of those super exclusive Pikachus that were given in special events hosted by Nintendo, with Surf. And even if so, you are going to have a very bad time.
I can't remember too much of Kanto because it was like 12 or 13 years ago, but, how many Pokemon did he capture and trained during his quest? I remember him using a Krabby in one of the League battles (it won and evolved, which is surreal). Then, he lost the league. Because his Charizard didn't even wanted to recognize him as his trainer (He should since he owned all the badges).
So, he did pretty bad.
There are somethings that are good about Kanto Satoshi and some that are bad. It's easy to forgive Kanto Satoshi on account of his inexperience and the show's inexperience. The good thing about Kanto Satoshi is that he is at least likeable and likeable during his gym badges. Yes, the pity badges feel unfair but at least they show that he's got other good qualities. Also, there is a level of justification with the fact that Satoshi did not do so well at the league. My problem with Kanto's badges isn't that they make Satoshi unlikable but that with a couple of exceptions, they're not very interesting (Natsume, Kyo, Team Rocket with Sakaki's pokemon) and often when they are interesting it's not in a good way (Kasumi's gym battle for example would have been better if it didn't cause quite so many arguments in the fandom). Now there is a gym in Best Wishes that makes Satoshi more unlikable that the worst of the Kanto gyms put together.
Tauros he caught. The show never indicated that the number of badges influences a Pokemon listening to their trainer either, so it isn't surprising that Charizard still didn't recognize Ash as a trainer.
The only real wins he got were against Lt. Surge, Erika, Koga and Blaine with the Lt. Surge rematch and Blaine fight pretty much being some of his best battles.
Ash has been a joke during every saga in terms of gym battles until Sinnoh. There was always something stupid that happened, heck even in Sinnoh looking back.
Yes, he was bad and the gym battles were bad. You might say that it's given that he was bad because he was a novice. But so was Trip, and hell, even Bianca. But it doesn't matter, since Ash is the main character, and he'll win stuff even if he was the dumbest trainer out there.
Back in the Kanto days Ash was fucking awful! Like half of the badges he got he didn't really beat the Gym Leaders for. However, as the anime progressed he's gotten A LOT better.
Roxanne's gym- Huge improvement from Brock's gym. Not to mention he won instead of losing unlike against Roark.
Brawley's gym brought out Ash's personality from what it was from the pas t few episodes. Most don't like it but I liked his rematch. This gym battle made him train his pokemon more from there on out.
Not to mention some in Johto were pretty good as well like Azalea, Ecruteak, Cinawood, Olivine(Which is my favorite) and the Mahoghany gyms.
I also liked the match with Ash and Rudy, so there were a lot of gyms that was good and was way better than back in OS. They were better written, better planned and were finished.