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    The Unova League/Higaki Conference as we all know was an utter train wreck and it seems to be widely agreed upon by the forum that its the worst league in Pokemon anime history. With Ash regressing in rank, how rushed and short it was, Cameron's idiocy, multiple rounds being skipped, a useless filler, only a 3rd of Ash's team getting any victories, and Ash only getting a one on one with his primary rival, most have been left severely disappointed. So the question is...If you could write the league out how would you have written the league?
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    Default Re: If You Could Change The Unova League.....

    Make it two or three episodes longer. Heck, I would've made it the longest league yet.
    Take out that BS about Axew getting lost (of all the times for that little idiot to get into trouble...)
    Save Ash vs. Trip for near the end and make it an actual battle
    Heck, better battles all around!
    Have Kotty use his brains for *bleep* once (though keep the evolution. I likes me some Lucario!)
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    Default Re: If You Could Change The Unova League.....

    About the only things I'd change about the league would be for Ash's battle against Trip to be 3 on 3 (Serperior, Vanillish, Frillish vs Pignite, Scraggy, Snivy) and have Bianca lose to Virgil instead of Cameron.

    Otherwise, all the problems with the league are because of events leading up to the league - you would have to totally rewrite the whole season to fix most of the problems with the particular Pokemon of Ash's doing badly and the strange outcomes of the rivalries. I can't think of a part of a battle that was the 'wrong' result.

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    Default Re: If You Could Change The Unova League.....

    I would replace that horrible Axew gets lost! episode and instead have Ash a battle with Bianca.

    Can't come up with any other changes right now, but I wouldn't rank Ash in the Top 4 again. Top 8 is already quite impressive for a team like that.

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    I'd keep Trip as the first opponent but give him a three on three with Jellicent Chandelure and Vanilluxe but against Virgil to show virgil as a threat. I would have Cameron beat Stephan instead of Bianca and have Ash fight Bianca in the top sixteen. Then have Cameron and Virgil lose to Ash then have Ash lose to Dino's Hydreigon in the final (Cameron can have Druddigon). And I would have Ash fight Katie esc trainers and lose the filler.
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    I would make the Shooty battle 6 on 6, make the league an episode longer and kill Virgil. I'd keep a filler, but change the Kibago plot for something more entertaining.
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    Default Re: If You Could Change The Unova League.....

    What I'd prefer would stretch the League a few more episodes indeed;

    - I'd also have Shooti against Ash as a 3 VS 3 at least, I don't know which Pokemon opposed to which, but Conkeldurr must be used and defeat one of Ash's Pokemon. He just needed a victory.
    - I was fond of BW105, but I'd slot it as the start of the League (so I'd have some scenes altered to fit the beginning of the League) as opposed to where it was, and have no rounds skipped.
    - This whole Kotetsu forgetting his sixth Pokemon for him VS Ash... no. The match also would be lengthened.
    - I'd have an Ash VS CotD shown for longer than a few seconds, and have a full battle (even 2 vs 2) of Virgil's showcased, as I'd keep him as the victor.
    - I'd probably have Bel lose later on than she did, against who? I'm not sure. If not that, I would've made Kotetsu VS Bel a 3 VS 3.
    - I think I would've had at least one of Ash's Pokemon that had no wins get a win as opposed to one who had a few wins under their belt.
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    Default Re: If You Could Change The Unova League.....

    The Ash and Trip battle should have been at least a 3 on 3 battle, but it's fine by me that it was in the 1st round, that Axew filler in the middle of the league wouldn't have taken place, and tbh I would have had Ash place lower in the top 16 instead of the top 8 because that's the best his skill for BW seemed to be imo.

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    Well here's what I would've done for the league.

    -First of all I'd set up for the Episode N arc. Not only would N debut in the league eventually, but Team Rocket would attack during the opening ceremonies which WOULD include Alder being present. Oshawott would evolve into Dewott here and learn Blizzard and help defeat Team Rocket. We'd learn that Giovanni has gone back to his original plan of trying to lure out Team Plasma and this work to set up Episode N.

    -Scraggy would evolve in the league while facing Katherine's Gothitelle

    -Ash losing to Virgil in a full battle rather than to Cameron who only brought 5 Pokemon. Cameron would be knocked out earlier to show how strong Virgil is.

    The matchups and episodes
    -Opening ceremonies: BW 103
    -Top 128: Ash vs. Katherine (1 on 1) BW 104
    -Top 64: Ash vs. Stephan and Virgil vs. Cameron (3 on 3 triple battle) BW 104 and BW 105
    -Top 32: Ash vs. Bianca (3 on 3 triple battle) BW 106
    -Top 16: Ash vs. Trip (6 on 6) BW 107 and BW 108
    -Top 8: Ash vs. Virgil (6 on 6) BW 109 and BW 110
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    Default Re: If You Could Change The Unova League.....

    I would have given the league an extra episode or two as well as replace that filler about axew with actual league action.

    Matchups would include the following as stated below

    Top 128-1on1 Singles:Ash vs Reccuring COTD(Either Ramone, Manning, Antonio, or Kenton)-Ash Wins
    Trip vs Recurring COTD-Trip Wins
    Bianca vs COTD-Bianca Wins
    Virgil vs COTD-Virgil Wins
    Stephan vs COTD-Stephan Wins
    Cameron vs COTD-Cameron Wins
    Dino, Katharine, and Flora Advance to Next Round


    Top 64-3on3 Singles:Ash vs Cameron(Pignite,Krookodile,Pikachu vs Samurott,Hydreigon,Riolu[evolves to Lucario in match])-Ash Wins
    Trip vs Bianca(Revenge Match Conkeldurr,Unfezant, Serperior vs Escavalier, Cincinno[evolved prior], and Emboar)-Trip Wins
    Stephan vs COTD-Stephan Wins
    Virgil vs COTD-Virgil Wins
    Dino,Katharine, and Flora Advance to Next Round

    Top 32-3on3 Singles:Ash vs Katharine(Scraggy[evolves during match],Snivy,Oshawott vs Mandibuzz, Darmanitan[evolved prior], and Gothorita[evolved prior/evolves again during match]-Ash wins
    Trip vs COTD-Trip Wins
    Stephan vs COTD-Stephan Wins
    Virgil vs COTD-Virgil Wins
    Dino and Flora Advance to Next Round

    Top 16-3on3 Singles:Ash vs Stephan(Boldore[evolves during match], Leavanny, and Krookodile, vs Sawk Zebstrika, and Liepard)-Ash Wins
    Trip vs COTD-Trip wins
    Virgil vs Flora-Virgil Wins
    Dino Advances to Next Round

    Top 8-Full Battle Singles:Ash vs Trip(Pikachu,Unfezant,Snivy,Oshawott,Pignite,Scrafty vs Serperior,Jellicent,Chandelure,Conkeldurr,Vanilluxe,Unfezant)-Ash Wins with 3 Pokemon barely remaining.
    Virgil vs COTD-Virgil wins by a landslide

    Top 4-Full Battle Singles:Ash vs Virgil(Pikachu,Gigalith,Unfezant,Scrafty,Oshawott,Snivy vs Espeon,Umbreon,Flareon,Vaporeon,Leafeon,Eevee)-Virgil Wins after an epic final showdown between Pikachu and Eevee which decided who won the battle.
    Dino Advances to Final Match

    Final Match-Full Battle Singles-Virgil vs Dino-Virgil beats Dino with only 3 of his Pokemon KO'ed in the Match, leaving Virgil as the winner of the Unova League Higaki conference.

    Yeah this is my take on what I woulda done for this league to make it at least slightly better that it actually is.

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    The problems with the league are much deeper rooted than the league itself. It was doomed before it started. To "fix" it, I would need to fix the entire saga. If you want me to just ignore the saga and just do the league, it would essentially amount to a reordering of the rival parade, which would consist of having a battle with Bianca, and Cameron would not win against Ash. Trip would be the climax, and we would actually see all six of his pokes fully evoed. It would be a battle similar to Paul, but I do not believe that would fix matters with him at all. The final battle would be with Virgil, and depending on if Eevee still gets an evo or not, I would make that the climax of that battle. It'd be hard to stomach Pika being beaten by an ordinary Eevee, though, but perhaps it would've been unnaturally powerful like it was in what actually happened.
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    It's not the league that needs changing, it's the whole saga. Ash's ranking in this league was adequate with the setup for the league we got throughout BW. I don't think the league was unbelievable. Maybe Cam's shitshow of bringing 5 just to show he's an idiot, which wouldn't have mattered in the end, was annoying, but that didn't break the league. The easy way out would be to say improve BW. As a whole. We all had a lot of complaints with it, first and foremost were character development and with that what Ash was doing with his pokemon. The problem with BW was the whole thing. Not just the way it ended.
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    First round: Ash vs random trainer 1-on-1
    Second round: Ash vs Bianca 3-on-3
    Third round: Ash vs Stephan 3-on-3
    Semi-final round: Ash vs Trip 6-on-6
    Final round: Ash vs Virgil 6-on-6

    End: Ash as runner-up (Top 2)

    Ignoring all other NPCs and stuff and for god's sake if Kotetsu wasn't in the anime, we wouldn't have had that stupid battle.

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    Id get rid of the Axew filler or whatever you want to call it,
    Add at least 2 more eps,
    Get rid of Cameron,
    Have Bianca progress to at least the Top 16 and have her show a few more of her pokemon,
    Make the top 16 rounds onwards all 6 v 6's. Have Ash battle Trip in this round and win, Bianca can lose to Virgil.
    Ash loses to Virgil in the top 8.
    Stephan loses to Ash in the Top 32. 3 on 3 battle same as before. Keep this battle relatively the same, maybe evolve Palpitoad.
    Definetely have Ash battle Katherine in the 1st round (128 competitors). Have Scraggy be the star, master Focus blast, maybe learn a dark type move. 3 v 3.
    If they need to skip a round, have it be the 2nd round. But show which pokemon were used.
    Make the battles good lol, more Ash vs Stephan, less Ash vs Cameron.
    That way, everyone on Ash's team will be used at least twice, and give everyone at least one win.

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    Top 128: Ash (Scraggy<Scrafty, learns Head Smash) vs Katharine (Gothielle), Trip (Vanniluxe) vs Emmy (Haxorus), Bianca (Cinccino) vs CoTD (Garbordor) Stephan (Braviary) vs Joltik kid from Don Battle (Galvalantula) Burgundy vs CoTd

    Top 64: No particularly important battles although featured because it involves Triple Battles, Ash battles Manning.

    Top 32: Ash vs Stephan (no grudges here, exactly how it was in BW106) Bianca (Cinccino, Zorua, Escavalier) vs Burgundy (Stoutland, Leavanny, Dewott) Bianca wins.

    Top 16: Ash (Unfeazant, Pignite, Oshawott) vs Bianca (Archeops, Zorua, Emboar)

    Top 8: Ash vs Virgil

    Top 4: Ash vs Cameron

    Top 2: Ash vs Trip Ash wins.

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