Thread: IF Team Rocket is out of the way, do you think they'll introduce new villians?

Hmmm...I didn't think about it that way. I tend to overestimate what several months means for a weekly show. It would technically be less than 30, but 30 is still a good estimate, but that's only the bare minimum of what we can expect. It could last past July, but we can't know. If it was, it would be even shorter than Orange, which was 35 eps. You're right, though, that leaves little time for any villain to show up if they will. Both Orange and Battle Frontier existed without a major villain plot, so there you go. I may say that Plasma could show up, but it's merely a formality. I think everyone that expected this to be like the games is fooling themselves. I think the writers realized that, and it could be why the TR vs TP thing may have been the only thing we were going to get. As for TP as seen in BW2, maybe they could still happen, but we no longer need the same event that happened in the games to happen here. I could still be proven wrong, for next year is still a colossal blank, but indeed, one can only fit so much into that amount of time. To expect another big villain event is silly except if TR is involved somehow. I expect it to last longer than that, though, although adding two more months to the count would hardly matter much. I just didn't realize how small the amount of eps were. In that case, it probably doesn't matter TR is taking a break even if it is for the rest of the gen.

New villians sounds nice. It would be even better to have N follow Ash and his Pikachu around from now on.

Originally Posted by SammyW27

[For starters, there was at least a decent level of antagony in previous serious while BW is the Pokemon Anime at its all time most kiddy with Ash & Co far too often having adventures akin to some 70 or 80s Saturday morning cartoon.

Team Rocket has just as much decent antagony as Aqua/Magma and Team Galactic did.

Hahahaha, WHAT? BW is no more or less "kiddy" than the anime has ALWAYS been. The anime is a kids' show; quit deluding yourself.

they're just not as interesting, fun or likable as they were.

Right, you're one of those people. Sigh.

And I'm not sure how much "better" they really are when they give up as soon as things go bad. Them being blasted off in battle or at least in a dicey situation beats them QUITTING BECAUSE THINGS AREN'T GOING THEIR WAY. There's something askew about the Inept Trio having more determination & guts than the Smarter/Meaner Trio literally running away from their problems

Oh right, it's "braver" and "more determined" to stand your ground even though you know damn well you're going to be attacked and blasted off. Yeah, that's not stupid at all. And come to think of it, Hunter J (who you sang the praises of) did the exact same thing, bailing frequently when her clients backed out instead of at least sticking around to finish the heroes off. I guess she's lame too then.

Plus, a lot of the episodes without them take the term "filler" to a whole new level.

WOW. Seriously!? You mean the kind of episodes they used to be in, where a Pokemon owned by a CotD would be showcased, TR would try to steal it and always get defeated...was NOT filler? And that episodes progressing character development, relationships, and rivalries (like the tournament arcs) ARE filler because TR isn't involved in any way? I have no words. I guess you want the show back to Johto style.

Originally Posted by The Fighting Misty

If you mean a new trio of villains tagging the group of course not. BW proved you don't need a trio of villains in every episode.

We should see the villain teams adapted though.

That's the smartest thing you've said all week. The only reason why criminal organizations exist on this show is because they exist in the game. So even if Team Rocket is gone, some strange group will show up if generation 6th is an issue.

Well yeah, they'll have to bring in new villians. So far, I've disliked every villian they've ever introduced, so I'm not hopeful.

My guess is that they'll just finish up Unova without any villains, then in the next generation, introduce a new villainous team and maybe throw TRio in to try and get Pikachu again.

Originally Posted by Silktree

Originally Posted by Samurott

It does provide an opportunity for them to do Plasma proper in the next saga, but I can't be sure.

They don't have time to properly showcase Team Plasma. After the league, it is more likely than not that there will only be about 30 episodes left until the end of the series, and so I can't imagine that more than five episodes will be devoted to any evil organization. Basically, Team Plasma would be introduced and then written off, with very little happening in between. It makes very little sense that the writers wouldn't have built up Team Plasma by now had they wanted them to replace Team Rocket.

I don't buy any theories about Movie 16 revolving around Team Plasma, either. That movie will obviously promote Generation VI more than anything else; the previous movies were far better suited for Team Plasma.

They might have two or three episodes, but that's about it. Unova is pretty much done anyways.

Originally Posted by Caseydia

New villians sounds nice. It would be even better to have N follow Ash and his Pikachu around from now on.

It would be cool if Ash & N crossed paths a few times. I think they'd play off each other very well. Ash is the epitome of a wide-eyed energetic boy hero while N's a totol drama queen (I smell sitcom! )

Originally Posted by ObjectionMan

Originally Posted by SammyW27

[For starters, there was at least a decent level of antagony in previous serious while BW is the Pokemon Anime at its all time most kiddy with Ash & Co far too often having adventures akin to some 70 or 80s Saturday morning cartoon.

Team Rocket has just as much decent antagony as Aqua/Magma and Team Galactic did.

Occasionally. And to be fair, they were victim's of really, really bad voice acting & dialog in the dub that made them look (a lot)worse than intended

Hahahaha, WHAT? BW is no more or less "kiddy" than the anime has ALWAYS been. The anime is a kids' show; quit deluding yourself.

Despite popular belief, being a kid's show does not excuse a show from being shallow, mindless & plotless. The Anime has had better storytelling than what's going on now. Heck, BW was even on the right track until The Seismac Disaster

Oh right, it's "braver" and "more determined" to stand your ground even though you know damn well you're going to be attacked and blasted off. Yeah, that's not stupid at all. And come to think of it, Hunter J (who you sang the praises of) did the exact same thing, bailing frequently when her clients backed out instead of at least sticking around to finish the heroes off. I guess she's lame too then.

Oh, you haven't heard me sing the praises of Hunter J.

Plus, she was annoyed/pissed when her clients backed out. Her giving up in those two episodes was because there was no point in fighting when there wasn't a profit to be had. Which still beats retreating because of an inconvenince TR should've been better prepared for.

And that episodes progressing character development, relationships, and rivalries (like the tournament arcs) ARE filler because TR isn't involved in any way?

The tournaments didn't progress crap. Unless you count having annoying running gags crammed down our throats as character developement. And a lot of the other stuff else just feels like trying to kill time. Even some episodes with captures & evolutions don't have a feel of specialness to them thanks to all the deus ex machina-ing that's been going on lately :meh:

I guess you want the show back to Johto style.

It feels like it already has part of the time...

If they ever bring in Team Plasma sometime from this point, then N would probably be turned into some league rival who's planning to wreck havoc on the League Tournement. No - I would rather see Team Plasma with Genesect as that is the most logical.

I don't see any need for villains. Besides, it's not as if Team Rocket is completely gone. Who knows - they might be back some time later.

However... it might be interesting if they brought Akuroma as a temporary villain into the show for some extra fillers.

There has always been villians who've troubled the twerps and there should always be, anything else would be weird in my opinion.

I would just prefer if they used the actual villainous teams from the games more often.

It's likely they won't introduce any new villains until after (or during) the Unova League as that's the anime's main focus at the moment is the League in which Ash will lose again. Even then, there's only a 50% chance it would be Team Plasma, which at this point would only likely appear in Movie 16, though as people are saying, Movie 16 will most likely promote Gen 6 rather than anything else, with Genesect's presence in the movie being reduced to a bare minimum, if not at all, while *insert Lucario/Zoroark clone of Gen 6 here* gets all the focus.

To be honest, I always preferred that the anime used the other villain teams (or other villains in general) more often rather than just the same two Team Rocket grunts and Meowth all the time. I mean almost all of us remember Hunter J, and I think we need more villains like her in the anime, rather than just the TRio and the scarce appearances of the villain teams from the games.

Probably my worst fear is the writers introducing N in the Unova League, but instead of leading into a Team Plasma arc, N instead is written as a Tobias expy that Ash loses to in the league in order to get to *insert Gen 6 region here* faster, with no mention or hints of Team Plasma's existence at all. For now, the BW2 animated promo is probably the closest we will ever get to seeing Team Plasma in the anime.

Originally Posted by Robo-Floatzel

It's likely they won't introduce any new villains until after (or during) the Unova League as that's the anime's main focus at the moment is the League in which Ash will lose again. Even then, there's only a 50% chance it would be Team Plasma, which at this point would only likely appear in Movie 16, though as people are saying, Movie 16 will most likely promote Gen 6 rather than anything else, with Genesect's presence in the movie being reduced to a bare minimum, if not at all, while *insert Lucario/Zoroark clone of Gen 6 here* gets all the focus.

To be honest, I always preferred that the anime used the other villain teams (or other villains in general) more often rather than just the same two Team Rocket grunts and Meowth all the time. I mean almost all of us remember Hunter J, and I think we need more villains like her in the anime, rather than just the TRio and the scarce appearances of the villain teams from the games.

Probably my worst fear is the writers introducing N in the Unova League, but instead of leading into a Team Plasma arc, N instead is written as a Tobias expy that Ash loses to in the league in order to get to *insert Gen 6 region here* faster, with no mention or hints of Team Plasma's existence at all. For now, the BW2 animated promo is probably the closest we will ever get to seeing Team Plasma in the anime.

That is a fear but it's better than thinking that Eevee evolutions might be Ash's downfall in this league.

Zekrom already got it's cameo in episode 1, would like to see N holding Reshiram towards the end.

Originally Posted by Caseydia

Originally Posted by Robo-Floatzel

It's likely they won't introduce any new villains until after (or during) the Unova League as that's the anime's main focus at the moment is the League in which Ash will lose again. Even then, there's only a 50% chance it would be Team Plasma, which at this point would only likely appear in Movie 16, though as people are saying, Movie 16 will most likely promote Gen 6 rather than anything else, with Genesect's presence in the movie being reduced to a bare minimum, if not at all, while *insert Lucario/Zoroark clone of Gen 6 here* gets all the focus.

To be honest, I always preferred that the anime used the other villain teams (or other villains in general) more often rather than just the same two Team Rocket grunts and Meowth all the time. I mean almost all of us remember Hunter J, and I think we need more villains like her in the anime, rather than just the TRio and the scarce appearances of the villain teams from the games.

Probably my worst fear is the writers introducing N in the Unova League, but instead of leading into a Team Plasma arc, N instead is written as a Tobias expy that Ash loses to in the league in order to get to *insert Gen 6 region here* faster, with no mention or hints of Team Plasma's existence at all. For now, the BW2 animated promo is probably the closest we will ever get to seeing Team Plasma in the anime.

That is a fear but it's better than thinking that Eevee evolutions might be Ash's downfall in this league.

Zekrom already got it's cameo in episode 1, would like to see N holding Reshiram towards the end.

True, and having Ash lose to N is better than losing to all Eeveelutions, and considering the 14th and 15th movies already had the Tao Trio make appearances, there would be no room in the anime for them.

Originally Posted by Robo-Floatzel

considering the 14th and 15th movies already had the Tao Trio make appearances, there would be no room in the anime for them.

Why not

Dialga showed up in 3 DP movies and Palkia 2, but that didn't stop them from popping up in the Show and being referenced. I see no reason the Tao Duo (and Legendaries in general) can't make appearances in both movies and the Show.

Also, I wouldn't mind if we had a revolving door of one shots villains like Leon, Team Vanillite, Rizzo, and to a lesser extent, Seamus.