神出鬼没 - shin shutsu ki botsu
I feel sad, because they didn't get to experience "Poké-mania", from the beginning, like I have. But, telling stories is just as good, I suppose.
Another problem is, for the most part, characters from one saga tend not to be relevant in the next. Brock is the only main character who stayed for an unusually long amount of time, every other one of Ash's friends left as their respective series concluded. Its gotten to the point where you don't even have to know who the older characters are to watch Pokemon anymore. It's hard to believe that characters like May and Max, who were once considered, "new characters" are now over a decade old themselves. How old does that make you feel?
Considering how long Pokemon has been going on, it's really not surprising that kids don't have to know about the older characters in order to watch the more recent series. I think that would be a good aspect for a long-running series to have since if kids had to be more familiar with the older characters and sagas, then it would be more difficult for a new audience to jump into the anime. If it was more of a challenge for kids to jump into the new series, then I don't think that the anime would be as successful as it is now. As for May and Max being a decade old themselves, that doesn't really make me feel old per say. It does make me feel kind of weird, but I don't know if it's the same as feeling old. It just feels strange to think of how I was watching AG for most of my high school years, how that feels like ages ago, which then makes me feel weird, and then I just move onto something else since it's not something that I particularly dwell on for a long period of time.Originally Posted by The Fighting Misty
Going by logic how today generations don't watch older sagas we can say how most kids had no idea who Gary, Jessibelle or Jasmine was. If some of them didn't watched any of DP series they probably didn't knew who Dawn was either when making appearance(same applies to previous generations in Hoenn and Sinnoh when Misty or May came back). But writers still brought them not viewing lack of knowledge as some issue if they find their return could be beneficial for anime again. Same applies to Giovanni revival in BW, as well flashbacks and references to past we get from time to time(especially in DP with whole Pikachu evolution crisis).
So even though format of series is adjusted to new generations, anime is still treated to smaller extent as entity with kids which didn't watched previous sagas and not gaining full picture of it, more likely than not ending confused when things from past sagas pop up.
This only loses on its quality imo having anime filled with fragments of continuity lacking solid storyline bringing disorder, makes inclusion of past characters and impact they left pointless in first place if we wont see them ever again and loses reputation in eyes of those which are better informed about its history.
So i don't agree with their decision of keeping references to past to minimum and erasing existence of past traveling companions either when they break this approach with certain exceptions anyway, never mind ignoring fact how long running show with strong continuity which keeps previous main characters in some form relevant can be just as successful.
With many other shows which exist for long time not having problems with new kids joining proving that.
Last edited by pokemon fan 132; 5th October 2012 at 04:13 AM.
They throw in the old characters once in a blue moon as a treat for any past fans but those fans are no longer the focus.
It is really a shame with the Pokemon Anime. We loved it, when we were children and expected as we matured, that the series would mature as well. It is sad that children never come to know the old guys, who were so long part of the show. Thrown away like garbage and only taken out of the can for an short lived cameo. Sad isn't it?
Who of you remembers Akira (A.J.) of the 8th Pokemon Episode? He is one of the one shot characters, who stayed in my mind for more then a decade and has yet to reappear again... Put on a bus, put on a bus...
How do I feel? I feel nothing really. I really don't care whether you're in love with this series or any of the older ones. Most of us are adults and have seen the orginal series anyway, sos we really wouldn't understand what it's like to watch BW without watching any of the other series before that that would grab your interest.
How does it make me feel... how does it make me feel?
...Happy. At such an age of the franchise, there will always be those who didn't know Pokemon in the past. We can always delight in sharing our experiences.
I'm not going to say I like it, because I don't. I guess I'm happy for them, but to see what the show has become over the years...saddened. I wish they'd see the older eps/series instead, and give them a chance to see where a lot of us are coming from, rather than playing the universal excuse on older fans in the form of the "nostalgia" card to discredit any opinions to the contrary. One of my friends' favorite series is DP, yet he actually gives me some points why he likes it the most, and I can definitely understand that. It's when someone just calls you an idiot or a moron or merely nostalgic for liking the older series more that is upsetting to me.
Sure the show has always been a 30-minute advertisment for the games, but it seems like the writers (and sometimes the dubbers) actually really tried to make a decent show before. Like they actually cared not to rehash everytime, and things were genuinely believable and relatable. There was some realistic emotion present, and I felt like each movie in particular was really special until they just kept making more and more of them.
The dub...alright, I know 4Kids made countless mistakes and I'm not denying the editing and errors were poor, but I actually enjoyed the show they put out for the most part, and it made me feel like they really cared, for all the crap they did sometimes. With TPCi, it seems like practically everything is done for the almighty dollar. I barely see any promos for the BW seasons anymore, other than 20-30 seconds at the most. The voice acting is...for lack of a better term...not as appropriate as it was in the older dub seasons for the main characters (to me, of course, opinions will differ), and the emotion is often flat and lacks character and passion at many points. Occasionally they'll be really peppy and energetic, showing tremendous emotion (I couldn't be happier with this), and the next episode they'll read their lines flatly and just like they want to get it over with and it's just a job to them. The intros are always about friendship, and lack any variety or substance.
Let me say, I'm going to die a little inside if the dub ends with Sarah Natochenny's Ash. Something about that feels incredibly dirty to me. I don't know why...I know the original dub VAs are long gone by now, but it still sucks to me for some reason.
The JPN version has let me down the most, though, don't get me wrong. It's not the dub's fault for some of the godawful writing we've had in Unova. Case in point: the Unova League. That just shot me down entirely, and I came back to reality that Ash's journey will never end until ratings in JPN fall low enough that the show is cancelled entirely. His journey will never end, and that's the saddest thing about it all. The writers have completely screwed over countless characters, replaced them only to replace them with newer ones over and over again, and eventually we're going to reach a point where the character Misty isn't even known by 90% of the fanbase. The show has gone from mostly a 30-minute advertisment for the games to a complete money-making scheme entirely. It's been sad to watch. The Unova Saga felt so new, and I felt it was reviving the series, but the writers' poor skills have really shot down what could've been the series to reunite fans new and old with freshness. *sigh*
I'm most saddened by the fact in 2 gens I will be deemed a "nostalgiafag" just because I prefer the older Pokemon series to the newer ones. It's very depressing and, for that reason, I've grown quite distant and detached from the series these days. I'm pretty sure unless X and Y blows me away, my journey with the series in general will end with Best Wishes! I've had some great times with the series, and bad times, so I can only hope that kids growing up with the current series respect the old while loving the new. That's all I really want from them. :)
(To be fair to the dubbers, the dub has really just lost the feel that Pokemon was a unique show to me. It's still a decent dub now, and I'd rather watch it than 85% of the stuff on CN or Nickelodeon now. It's mainly the JPN version's writing that has been adversely affecting the series. The dub just isn't helping matters, I guess). I feel like I'm being a jerk, but that's honestly how I truly feel about the series right now.
Last edited by Pokémon Master Ash; 8th April 2013 at 05:20 PM.
What do I think of kids growing up with the new anime?
They're getting an amazing show now.
Especially compared to the original seasons.
For one, the dub voices. Veronica Taylor's Ash voice was a joke. She gave him the voice of a six year old girl with a throat cold. Jessie and Misty, Brock and James. These two started out with the same voice actors, both of whom were simply awful. May's first voice was too breathy to be real, and Max's sounded too old.
In contrast, the new dub is amazing. Sarah just keeps improving at Ash's voice-many can't tell that it's a woman when first they hear it. The supporting characters also have amazing voices, especially Cilan, Jessie, James, Stephan, Cameron, and Bianca. Also, all of the Gym Leaders and most minor characters have had great voices.
Also: Team Rocket. I got sick of seeing them suffer. Seriously. 659 episodes of watching them scream,"Ya Na Kanji". Either the creators were so immature that they thought that kind of slapstick was funny, or they were sadistic. However, Team Rocket has improved so much recently. I like it when they are minor characters like they should be, but still pose a good challenge for the main characters to overcome. I liked their black uniforms, as well as Pierce, a lot, but it was okay when they removed them. After all, the company has to cater to stupid nogalstia fans(not like the one who posted above me: the worse ones). I'm so glad that they only "blast off" four times in Black and White.
Also, they have started creating better drawings and spending more time animating the show, which gives it an amazing quality.
All in all, it is a much more high quality show now, and while it may not be as fun as DP, it is worth any minor drawbacks. People growing up with this are seeing the Pokemon Anime at its best.
Last edited by Pokémon Master Ash; 10th April 2013 at 06:40 AM.
I couldn't care less about what the kids are watching while growing up. ^^'
But to elaborate my post a bit more, well, they are lucky for not growing up watching the Johto saga of the anime.