Sinnoh's just 18%? But why did it feel like FOREVER?
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Because Sinnoh was still 191 episodes. It was the longest we ever spent in a single region.
Previous was of course the infamous Johto saga, which had 157 episodes.
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Yes, had those other things NOT taken place in the episode, i'd consider it a filler...I still don't see the point of that move...
So far, Best wishes has had no fillers.
So far, but that third episode felt like one of those other episodes where they'd tack a capture to the beginning of an otherwise filler episode. If it wasn't for Mijumaru being captured, the whole episode would have been a filler. And a rather boring one at that.
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because it *was* forever, lol. Its the longest single saga we've ever had at 191 episodes. Johto was 158. AG's total runtime was split between 2 sagas. No one is denying it was long.Sinnoh's just 18%? But why did it feel like FOREVER?
Maybe it was the first time Thunderbolt was used, but I don't remember them actually saying something like "oh look Pikachu learned a new move!" unless it was in the japanese version and not the dub.Episode 5.
Yeah, BW has had no filler so far, but then again...DP's first filler was arguably DP 21, the Magikarp episode, so we shouldn't jump to the conclusion yet that BW will have less filler based on 6 episodes.
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It's an anime that's not based off of a manga. It's either all filler or no filler
Pikachu learned Thunderbolt through the power-up session it went through.
Although I did like Ash taking an interest in a Donphan for the first time. Not like we knew he'd get one 400+ episodes later.
Magikarp salseman's only appearance in DP was in this ep... and so far he appeared at least once every series
Yes, he's not really important to the plot but meh...
I guess it IS a filler, but I have to note how much I liked it that this ep was based on berries and baking cakes from them, then next ep was about Dawn learning to make Poffins from berries, then the ep after Pachi messes up the performance and Dawn's gets an idea, and next ep we see the idea was to use the Poffin she made to calm it down... it's like all 4 eps were somehow connected and built up to this... it's nice and I think you can find more similar examples to this in other DP eps"Cooking up a Sweet Story!"
(I know it's still a filler I guess, just wanted to say this, regardless to the whole filler and non-filler talk)
Cassidy and Butch's only DP appearance... while you might not count the Magikarp salseman, I think you have to count this..."Sleight of Sand"
Also, the fact Hippopotas returned in this ep already makes this a non filler
- first time the Pokéchic magazine appeared, which Dawn constantly mentions later"The Bells Are Singing!"
- first time we learn about Pokésylists, which is mentioned later in the Hearthome Collection and the Celestic Contest with Lila
- both of these points are eventually important in the final DP ep since because of these stuff Dawn decided not to go with Ash to Kanto
- James mentions his Chimecho and Nanny and Pop Pop... with a flashback... continuity
- Gligar uses its attacks for the first time ever (sounds similar to me to when a Poké learn a new attack)
- Buneary gets its vest which it will constantly wear later
Yeah, lots of "little" stuff, but I sure count them... I can see why this ep would seem very fillerish to most of people, but it really isn't...
Mentioned in the final DP ep and leads to Dawn not going to Kanto with Ash"Arriving in Style!"
Mentioned later and the events of it lead to Dawn earning Mamoswine's trust"Doc Brock!"
I like how DP often makes you feel like all eps are connected to each other, rally feels like it's all one big story, which it is...
At the end of the ep Johanna talks with Dawn and reveals the Twinleaf Festival, where we'll spend the next 4 eps"Three Sides to Every Story"
At least for me - part of an arc (more than one ep story) is automatically not a filler"A Faux Oak Finish!"
Recurring characters + Continuity + backstory for James..."The Treasure Is All Mine!"
How can that be a filler?
tldr, these should definitely not be counted as fillers:
Sleight of Sand
The Bells Are Singing
Arriving in Style
Three Sides to Every Story
A Faux Oak Finish
The Treasure Is All Mine
Last edited by Piplup; 26th October 2010 at 07:58 AM.
Are we to assume that canonical material can't be "filler?"
As far as I am concerned, "filler" is the writers' way of creating a storyline that has no direct influence of changing or adjusting the characters involved.
"3 Sides to Every Story" may have material at the end that connects it with events of future episodes, but the overall plot does not affect the story at all. Piplup NEVER (and I mean never) goes back to thinking about the Marill that he fell in love with.
This is like saying that the Ditto episode before the Sinnoh Grand Festival wasn't "filler" because Ash and co. arrive at the Valor Lakefront site at the end. Are we to assume that the 19.5 minutes before this was not "filler," not biding time?
Certain episodes, such as "Doc Brock" and the Chingling episode, do affect the storyline in some way. What Brock taught Ash and Dawn about what berries to pick ends up helping Dawn in a future episode. In the Chingling episode, we both address the origin of Buneary's jacket and Dawn's interest in Pokestylists. At the end of Diamond and Pearl, Buneary personally received the attention of a famous modeling firm that wants to sponser her. This was the starting point of all that.
Of course, everybody's definition on "filler" is based on personal opinion. My opinion as far as "filler" goes... Does the immediate storyline (regardless of who appears or what happens) have any influence on past or future events? Are certain characters introduced in this episode that appear later?
A good chunk of DP becomes filler if you don't care about Pokemon learning new moves, training, etc.