Thread: Dogasu's Backpack Discussion

Indeed.

I had NO idea why Ash said Vikings came from Minnesota in the 1st movie dub, and the only clue I had eventually was the note about sports references on Dogasu's site.

I am not an American. I don't know anything about Vikings and Minnesota. 4Kids is hypocritical to go removing Japanese references and then putting in stuff that probably only Americans will even get...

So then why don't the other companies just adapt their own script?

4Kids is an American company and it caters to Americans first and foremost. As annoying as it is, I don't see what doesn't make sense about it.

Because they think that the show is a translation rather than an adaption -I bet Nintendo told them to Americanize the show too at first.

Other than the music stuff I really liked 4Kids dub. Ugh I just did a "comparison" for "The Art of Pokemon" and the ending really misses its impact without the sad Kanto piano piece :(

Originally Posted by Snake Bandage

4Kids is an American company and it caters to Americans first and foremost. As annoying as it is, I don't see what doesn't make sense about it.

Exactly, theres no hypocracy when the intent was always to "Americanize" it as annoying as it may be to some people.

Originally Posted by Pokemaster Justin

So then why don't the other companies just adapt their own script?

I remember someone saying they did just that.

I remember someone saying the spanish dub added some jokes that only they would understand in their culture.

I'm sure its the same thing in other languages with jokes adapted/added, we just don't have a site like Dogasu's for the spanish Pokemon dub, or any other language.

Originally Posted by Pokemaster Justin

So then why don't the other companies just adapt their own script?

Denmark's company used to do so throughout the first season.
But now they just plain translate - they don't even bother to translated the attacks into Danish now - and throw the garbage on-screen. They don't even care.

In regards of the "Minnesota" part in the first movie, for example, it was changed to vikings living in Sweden. Not remotely amusing.
In The Bridge Bike Gang episode, when some random bicyclists greeted that bridge-porter dude, the short dialogue was changed to a blatant reference to a Danish commercial. That was amusing, but hardly something other nationalities would understand.

Now it's just a Danish American thing to watch. Plaaaaaaain.

I agree, though, that 4Kids should focus mainly on the nationality it works for.
If other countries want a more 'Japanese' version or a version more fit to their respective nationalities, they should start dubbing 'from scratch' themselves rather than buying off the American version because it's cheaper and easier and what do I know.

Originally Posted by Outrage DD

Exactly, theres no hypocracy when the intent was always to "Americanize" it as annoying as it may be to some people.

Hypocracy may not be the word, but when the Japanese go through the trouble of making the series as internationally appealing as possible, keeping things deemed "too Japanese" out of it for the sake of everyone else, it's rather dickish of the American adaptors to Americanize it to such an extreme amount, ruining the internationalization completely.
Around 10% of Team Rocket's American dialouge is basically "Make up your own dialouge here" as far as the international translators are concerned.

Originally Posted by Chatsy

If other countries want a more 'Japanese' version or a version more fit to their respective nationalities, they should start dubbing 'from scratch' themselves rather than buying off the American version because it's cheaper and easier and what do I know.

From what I understand, 4Kids/PUSA own the international license for the series - it HAS to be licensed through them. It's the same with various Shonen Jump manga in Scandinavia - as you're probably aware, they're licensed through the German Carlsen Comics, and the translations suffer from this (and there's all kinds of stupidity involved there - supposedly the Swedish translator of One Piece was forbidden to use the name "Luffy", as the license agreement demanded "Ruffy" for various reasons).

Not only that, but seems that Pokemon Adventures manga had to be crosslicensed from ViZ.

Originally Posted by Adamant

From what I understand, 4Kids/PUSA own the international license for the series - it HAS to be licensed through them. It's the same with various Shonen Jump manga in Scandinavia - as you're probably aware, they're licensed through the German Carlsen Comics, and the translations suffer from this (and there's all kinds of stupidity involved there - supposedly the Swedish translator of One Piece was forbidden to use the name "Luffy", as the license agreement demanded "Ruffy" for various reasons).

Ah, well that sure makes it tough then :/
Though, I recall hearing about France dubbing entirely on their own, or at least at one certain point in the early seasons. That may easily have been a silly rumour, though.

Originally Posted by Chatsy

Though, I recall hearing about France dubbing entirely on their own, or at least at one certain point in the early seasons. That may easily have been a silly rumour, though.

I remember hearing about that, and that by the end of Kanto they got rid of the voice cast and went for voice actors that sounded more like the 4Kids cast (hey, isn't that a funny parallel).

In Israel we had Pokemon Chronicles not hurt nearly as much thanks to BMGF's very own Piplup. It was still dubbed from the 4Kids dub (like everything else), but we got all kinds of mistakes fixed and stuff thanks to Pip's notes. So we had Eusine, and Jackson, and Hun sounding indisputably male (though his voice was very different from the Japanese version, but it's still incredibly fitting).

Originally Posted by Snake Bandage

In Israel we had Pokemon Chronicles not hurt nearly as much thanks to BMGF's very own Piplup. It was still dubbed from the 4Kids dub (like everything else), but we got all kinds of mistakes fixed and stuff thanks to Pip's notes. So we had Eusine, and Jackson, and Hun sounding indisputably male (though his voice was very different from the Japanese version, but it's still incredibly fitting).

Ooh, I'd love to hear about this, and any other changes that were made thanks to him.

I have a few music corrections to point out. Both BGM that you mentioned in your Ghost of Maiden's Peak comparison are actually used in other episodes of the series.

I actually like how you've mentioned the BGM in your most recent comparisons Dogasu. I'd actually like it if you would point out exactly how many BGM were kept intact out of the total in more of your episode comparisons.

Originally Posted by Snake Bandage

In Israel we had Pokemon Chronicles not hurt nearly as much thanks to BMGF's very own Piplup. It was still dubbed from the 4Kids dub (like everything else), but we got all kinds of mistakes fixed and stuff thanks to Pip's notes. So we had Eusine, and Jackson, and Hun sounding indisputably male (though his voice was very different from the Japanese version, but it's still incredibly fitting).

I had absolutely no idea he was responsible for anything like that.