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Sucked? It was up against MILTANK! Miltank is a beast, there's no shame in losing to THAT THING.
That still doesn't mean its weak
Registeel is UU, AND had a type disadvantage, of course it would at least almost win. Infernape is only strong with Blaze.
So is Scraggy and no one's complaining.
So then what are we discussing? Ash's Johto team definitely was his worst developed team. This is why after Johto ended, they were almost never used in any real battles again. Only Cyndaquil was and it got 10 seconds of screentime in the league.Quote:
Originally Posted by Misty Calls Masquerain
Its no surprise that Ash's Kanto Pokemon return over and over, and Ash's Hoenn Pokemon were used so much and got major wins. His Sinnoh team also made Ash look like the strongest he ever did.
So I would say, the teams he got all the starters in, excluding Kanto, tended to be his worst. The Johto and Unova teams are painfully mediocre.
You didn't address directly.
I think Unova is the worst developed, sure they're strong, but no real improvement.
Well I wouldn't call this an unpopular opinion, but here goes:
- Ash's Kanto, Hoenn and Sinnoh Pokemon tend to be his strongest and best trusted Pokemon. They have almost all of the major wins in the anime and propelled Ash to new heights.
- Ash's Johto and Unova teams are underwhelming, the few wins they get don't really compare to the other teams. He has a few standout Pokemon on each, like Heracross and Krokorok, but one strong Pokemon cannot save an entire team.
Another for me: All of the Kanto and Johto Pokemon had better personalities than most, if not all the others.
I also didn't like the personalities of Ash's Johto pokemon sans Bayleef. Cyndaquil had virtually no personality at all and its only gimmick was getting its flame lit. Totodile's dancing/obnoxious personality I actually never liked even as a kid. I always viewed Totodile as, "trying too hard." Noctowl had zero personality but then again all the birds don't.
Bayleef was literally the only Johto Pokemon to have a well developed personality. All the others were just gimmick oriented and the writers didn't develop them past their gimmicks. Remove Totodile's dancing and what's its personality?
Cyndaquil was a bit insecure, again, how many episodes did you watch exactly??
Totodile was laid-back and fun loving.
Noctowl was wise, observant, and somewhat fatherly, also it had some mroe facets to its personality in its debut ep.
I've seen all of Johto, multiple times even. How was Cyndaquil insecure? Its only personality was struggling to get its flame lit, after that it just disappeared. What exactly does, "fun loving" mean?Quote:
Originally Posted by Misty Calls Masquerain
Noctowl being, "wise and observant" means little when these traits disappeared after its capture episode and became a generic bird for the rest of the saga. Even its psychic abilities were almost never used back in Johto.
I think the writers did an extremely poor job with the Johto Pokemon, almost as if they purposely handled them badly just so they could bring back the more popular Kanto starters when the saga was drawing to a close.
Its self-explanatory but: Totodile just liked to relax, kick back and have fun, without a care in the Pokemon World.
Noctowl was still wise and observant, which is why it was relied on to help find Team Rocket much of the time. The traits that disappeared were its prankster traits.
Why would they handled them "badly" on purpose? Maybe to you, they tried and failed.
I think its rather obvious especially compared to how they glorified Bulbasaur/Squirtle/Charizard constantly that the Johto Pokemon were never given that star treatment. They had the misfortune of directly following Ash's popular classic Kanto team and didn't break out on their own due to their lackluster development and personalities. The writers had the Kanto starters return for the the league because that's who we wanted to see battle. After that the Johto starters were dumped for the rest of the series pretty much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Misty Calls Masquerain
It wasn't until Hoenn started where Ash's team could break out of the shadows of the previous ones and stand on their own. Unfortunately the Unova Pokemon fall into the same trap now, but I guess nobody really cares here.
To be fair, none of his other teams, or starters for that matter, have been glorified like the Kanto starters. They're generally more marketable and being the first set of starters helps too. Personally, I thought that the Johto starters had more personality than the Kanto starters. They weren't handled well, but I think a major factor as to why that was the case was that they carried Ash's Kanto starters to Johto, which meant it took them longer for them to give Ash the starters. They might have been able to handle them better if they started off the journey with Ash only taking Pikachu. This was their first attempt at making a long journey for a whole generation, so it's practically expected that they would make more noticeable mistakes. It doesn't excuse all of them, but it isn't surprising in retrospect. Still, what the Johto team lacked for battle, they made up with their personalities and I think that was a good step forward for the writers. Bayleaf and Cyndaquil were definitely strong, especially when Cyndaquil was in so many Gym battles, and Noctowl's one Gym battle is better than anything Pidgeotto ever did. Totodile was weak unfortunately, but it still had more personality than Squirtle did.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Fighting Misty
That was most likely because they learned from their mistakes and Hoenn as a whole didn't rely on previous generations like Johto did with Kanto. While Ash's Unova Pokemon are pretty lackluster, I'm not sure if it's just because he has the three starters again. I think that the main problem with the Unova team is that they gave Ash too many Pokemon and haven't really done much with any of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Fighting Misty
There was definitely some sort of odd shafting of the Johto starters in general. I didn't understand why Heracross got sent to Oak's so fast, why Bulbasaur lasted so long despite not even being used in a Gym battle that arc, and why Totodile/Noctowl only got 1 Gym.
I like Thunder Armor.
Charizard is only the third (arguably fourth or fifth) most gangsta of Ash's pokemon
obv squirtle is first
Sceptile second
Bulbasaur third
Pikachu a possible tied third or fourth
and then Charizard
That's one thing I liked about Johto was Ash's starter pokemon. They were much cuter and did have more personality than for the ones in Kanto.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Fighting Misty
Me too. Finally someone who likes it but me!Quote:
I like Thunder Armor.