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    Default Re: BW116 "Burn up, Lizardon! VS Kairyu!!"

    At the same time, Charizard beating Dragonite will finally let Iris see Ash as the strong trainer he should have been in BW from the start.

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    Default Re: BW116 "Burn up, Lizardon! VS Kairyu!!"

    But Ash should have shown Iris his strength in the League, or when he defeated her Dragonite with Krookodile. And besides, a lot of Charizard's growth came from being trained in the Valley, by a different trainer. :p
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    Default Re: BW116 "Burn up, Lizardon! VS Kairyu!!"

    Guys, are you forgetting how Iris is currently the writers pet? Not only is Kairyu likely to beat Lizardon, but Lizardon will be lucky to get a hit in.

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    Default Re: BW116 "Burn up, Lizardon! VS Kairyu!!"

    Quote Originally Posted by WatcherMark View Post
    Guys, are you forgetting how Iris is currently the writers pet? Not only is Kairyu likely to beat Lizardon, but Lizardon will be lucky to get a hit in.
    What the hell?

    How in the world is Kairyu likely to win? What in all the info we've seen so far points to Kairyu winning? If anything the episode probably will give it to Lizardon or draw or unresolved.

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    Default Re: BW116 "Burn up, Lizardon! VS Kairyu!!"

    Quote Originally Posted by Gotpika View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by WatcherMark View Post
    Guys, are you forgetting how Iris is currently the writers pet? Not only is Kairyu likely to beat Lizardon, but Lizardon will be lucky to get a hit in.
    What the hell?

    How in the world is Kairyu likely to win?
    If you don't mind me interjecting, Kairyu is pretty strong for a dragon type plus the majority of Lizardon's moves won't be effective since it pretty much knows two fire type attacks and possibly a flying type one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haruhi. View Post

    If you don't mind me interjecting, Kairyu is pretty strong for a dragon type plus the majority of Lizardon's moves won't be effective since it pretty much knows two fire type attacks and possibly a flying type one.
    The writers do whatever they want, doesn't matter.

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    If Charizard loses to Iris the backlash would be unbearable. Just think of when Pikachu lost to Excadrill....only 10 times worse.

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    Default Re: BW116 "Burn up, Lizardon! VS Kairyu!!"

    Quote Originally Posted by The Fighting Misty View Post
    If Charizard loses to Iris the backlash would be unbearable. Just think of when Pikachu lost to Excadrill....only 10 times worse.
    That's only because with Iris and the fanbase... it's a love/hate relationship there. that's the only reason why there would be backlash.

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    Its Charizard getting its first return in like 6 years since 2006....having it return to a loss against a newcomer would be the ultimate troll from the writers.

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    There's no sense to let Charizard lose if he is supposed to fight Reshiram afterwards. Even a draw may be hard to believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luigifan141 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by The Fighting Misty View Post
    Knotz goes to work for PUSA everyday voicing Jessie or various Pokemon. Rachael Lilis doesn't work for them and would have to be contacted.
    Opps, I didn't realize that... lol

    But still, Lillis has been contacted at least once by PUSA, and that was to voice Maylene during Diamond and Pearl. So while Lillis doesn't seem to work for PUSA all that often, this could be one of those rare chances that she could get contacted again by them in order to voice a few voice clips for Misty in this episode. But I dunno, I might just be having some wishful thinking at this point. XD

    Quote Originally Posted by The Fighting Misty View Post
    Considering ASH is going to be voiced in the flashbacks by Sarah, and possibly Brock by Bill Rogers, it doesn't make sense to hear, "4kids Misty" with "PUSA Ash and Brock."
    I thought it was extremely weird when I heard 4Kids Gary alongside PUSA Ash and Brock. They could've recast Gary to a new actor, but I guess they decided to stick with his old one for some reason.

    I guess what I'm trying to say is that not every character has to stick with a new actor. For the rare chance that it could happen. So I guess hearing 4Kids Misty alongside PUSA Ash and Brock is not completely out of the question.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Fighting Misty View Post
    Do you actually realize how much is going on this episode? The whole episode is about a Kanto fair leading up to a battle between Charizard and Iris' Dragonite. Why would the writers waste half the episodes screentime on flashbacks? We can already see they're only showing brief snippets of random Charizard episodes, most scenes that Misty/Brock aren't even present for, like, "Snow way Out."

    The flashbacks aren't about Ash's friends or his adventures in Kanto, they're only about Charizard and whoever happens to be in that scene is just there...we know we're seeing some Kanto Gym leaders in them and Damien too.
    Yes, I know that there is a lot to cram into this episode, and I am really excited to watch it! (I rarely log into my account here on Bulbagarden fourms, as I mostly like to lurk around, but this has been the most excited I've been for an episode in a long time, so I decided to join in with the discussion!) I was just curious why you thought that Misty and Brock would only have 30 seconds of screen time in the flashbacks when they could maybe have more or probably have less.

    I really can't stress how excited I am for this episode. March 7th can't come soon enough!
    Woah...woah...woah...back up for a sec. People WANT to hear 4Kids Misty with PUSA Ash and Brock? I personally don't. BLEH! That's also way too unfair to both Veronica Taylor and Eric Stuart as well. Besides, both casts have a certain chemistry with each other that will break apart if mixed together, IMO.

    I'm 100% sure it's Michele Knotz who will voice Misty in BW116.

    I say either re-use all of the original voice actors' work for the scene, or re-dub it all with the current crew. A mix of different voices will only feel wrong and sickening to me on either side of the fence.

    Besides, Gary's VA is the current VA for James and Meowth, and he retained the role because of that. As for the others, Giovanni and Contesta are such minor roles that it hardly makes a difference who plays them in terms of their appearances.

    If Misty gets her voice back, why shouldn't Jessie then? Sure Misty hasn't been around since late AG, but she's no different from Ash and Brock or the others to me. Additionally, Veronica Taylor plays off Rachael Lillis playing off Eric Stuart in a way that Rachael Lillis definitely can't duplicate with Bill Rogers and Sarah Natochenny, IMHO.

    Quote Originally Posted by Luigifan141 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by The Fighting Misty View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Luigifan141 View Post
    Why is everyone under the impression that Michele Knotz is guaranteed to voice Misty? Knotz only voiced her once, and that was in The Mastermind of Mirage Pokémon. It was such a one-off thing, so I have no idea why The Pokémon Company would rather let someone who voiced her only once over six years ago do the dubbing instead of letting Rachael Lillis, someone who is a lot more attatched to the character, reprise her role as Misty. If Giovanni and Gary can keep their 4Kids actors, then I don't see why Misty can't keep her actor, too.
    Considering the amount of trouble they would have to go through to contact Rachel Lilis to do what...maybe 3-4 lines at the most....would it be worth the effort in their perspective?

    Misty probably won't be on-screen in the flashback for more than 30 seconds. They're only showing a brief clip of Charmander in the rain and then moving on to other stuff like the Koga and Blaine Gym matches and so forth.

    And the difference is Gary and Giovanni had full episodes and major roles when they appeared. Misty's character is not truly appearing in an episode, she's getting a brief scene in a Charmander flashback that will probably be extremely brief.
    I think getting Knotz to voice Misty again would actually be harder than getting Lillis to voice Misty. Both actors haven't voiced the character in years, but Lillis still seems like the more reasonable choice to me. Even if they can't get in contact with her, they can still resample her voice clips from way back, assuming that they will just reuse some of the dialogue for this episode.

    Also, you seem pretty set on this whole 30 seconds for Brock and Misty thing. Why is that?
    Why don't they just re-use all of the original voices then while they are at it? That I can see working well with the scene. The thing is, I'm pretty sure they'll end up re-dubbing it anyway.
    Last edited by Pokémon Master Ash; 4th March 2013 at 02:58 PM.

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    Well an alternative is for the dub simply to have the narrator talk over the characters, so you don't hear anyone speaking. Like the narrator saying, "This is when Ash let Charizard go in the valley" like those last episode recaps. You wouldn't hear much character voice then.

    I can see them quickly having Knotz do Misty though since she's barely going to be on-screen anyway, so for two lines consisting of, "Oh Charmander your tail" won't be a big deal. Even if its been like 7 years since Michelle Knotz last played Misty over half a decade ago, it shouldn't be too hard for her to get it back to that level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Fighting Misty View Post
    Well an alternative is for the dub simply to have the narrator talk over the characters, so you don't hear anyone speaking. Like the narrator saying, "This is when Ash let Charizard go in the valley" like those last episode recaps. You wouldn't hear much character voice then.

    I can see them quickly having Knotz do Misty though since she's barely going to be on-screen anyway, so for two lines consisting of, "Oh Charmander your tail" won't be a big deal. Even if its been like 7 years since Michelle Knotz last played Misty over half a decade ago, it shouldn't be too hard for her to get it back to that level.
    I'd rather either of those two options tbh.
    Last edited by Pokémon Master Ash; 4th March 2013 at 03:12 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SonGoku View Post
    I'd rather either of those two options tbh.
    Its pretty much expected for Ash and Brock's current voices to do the flashbacks, so they'd likely use Knotz for the minor scenes Misty appears in.

    Its funny because Gary's voice actor isn't listed, so if they show anything of Charizard Vs. Blastoise we probably won't see Gary speaking. Wonder why they did that and didn't "silence" Misty and Brock too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Fighting Misty View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by SonGoku View Post
    I'd rather either of those two options tbh.
    Its pretty much expected for Ash and Brock's current voices to do the flashbacks, so they'd likely use Knotz for the minor scenes Misty appears in.

    Its funny because Gary's voice actor isn't listed, so if they show anything of Charizard Vs. Blastoise we probably won't see Gary speaking. Wonder why they did that and didn't "silence" Misty and Brock too.
    Exactly. Unfortunately, Lillis hasn't been around since S11 for some reason. I also feel like it would be way out of place to hear Misty's original voice with Ash and Brock's current ones.

    I'd rather hear Taylor, Stuart, Lillis or Natochenny, Rogers, Knotz tbh. A mixture of them just feels too weird to me.
    Last edited by Pokémon Master Ash; 4th March 2013 at 03:20 PM.

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