Thread: BW106: Dageki Appears! Satoshi VS Kenyan!!

Originally Posted by Human

I could see Hydreigon being a Pokemon Kotetsu caught a few days before the league.

Unless it doesn't obey Kotetsu, which is unlikely, it would be a slap in Iris' face and in ours too by screwing the whole "only-a-few-can-train-a-dragon" plot.

Uhm... I don't recall the number of Unova League participants, is it 256? Because if so, and if Ash win against Kotetsu, he will be at 32th. Would be a total shame if he faced Virgil there, assuming Ash won't fight with CotDs, and lost.

Originally Posted by Metan

Unless it doesn't obey Kotetsu, which is unlikely, it would be a slap in Iris' face and in ours too by screwing the whole "only-a-few-can-train-a-dragon" plot.

Actually a poster on Sppf said something about the scan vaugely mentioning Hydreigon thrashing about or rampaging, it's not quite clear yet though....if it is true then the writers aren't trying anymore.

Are people seriously besides themselves over Kotetsu owning a Sanzandora? The thing is, we just don't know enough about Kotetsu to assume the worst. Kotetsu could have very well have raised that Dragon from a Monozu for all we know and I'm assuming he did just that given that's the main formula for Pokemon growth in this series. If Kotetsu did catch that Sanzandora off the bat, what of it? It's not like he's a main character, plus it speaks to his own skills to be able to catch a Dragon like that. Sanzandora are species that attack anything that moves, so it's just a way of showing Kotetsu's skills as a trainer if he did catch it off the bat. Plus it's not like he's aspiring to be a Dragon Master, he doesn't have to understand its heart, just beat it and raise its power level. I'm banking on him having raised it if it is his "secret weapon". I don't think Kotetsu's Sanzandora is a disobedient or uncontrollable Pokemon either, if Pokemon Fan is indeed accurate on the idea of it being a secret weapon, then it most likely is gonna be a reliable Pokemon if anything. If anything it should be treated the same as Shinji's ridiculously strong Drapion.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with Kotetsu owning a Sanzandora or beating Bel imo. Weren't people pressed over Shooti beating Satoshi despite Shooti being a "n00b?" Kotetsu seems like he has more experience than Bel does and seems like a better battler than her to be honest. It's a case of a newbie losing the league and there's nothing wrong with that, I'm not bothered since Bel has been portrayed as mostly as a joke character the whole series and never really has had an engaging battle in BW. I mean Shooti was totally owning Bel up until the Fling, concrete, and Stone Edge parts. Plus Bel's Emboar is the only super impressive thing she's got, like Shooti she, up until this point, has relied on that thing. It is even won her a filler league battle and she's using it again against Kotetsu. We see Kenyan and Kotetsu however using Zeburaika and Natorrei to win their respective first battles, Chevargo is nicely powered, but for all series rival Bel just doesn't have anything really super powerful. At least Kotetsu's Riolu is handling Emboar. Shooti relied mainly on Jalorda in battles and the same goes for Bel and her Emboar, so it's just a case of rookies making rookie mistakes.

Bel losing here is probably to set her on her road to becoming Araragi-Hakase's assistant if the writers are following the games and her giving up being a serious trainer. At the end of the day the writers were probably thinking it would be a great way to show Kotetsu's skill if he was able to catch and/or raise a Dragon and thought it would make an excellent league battle. You have to remember Riolu evolves by friendship and some Pokemon simply choose not to evolve and writers will not evolve Pokemon for marketing purposes and we've never seen Riolu in battle so we can't assume he's a weakling because of Riolu because Daikenki in itself is impressive.

Thinking about it from another POV, if it is a secret weapon. Maybe it's a SW with cost, like it being prone to rage fits despite being super powerful. Think of it like Satoshi's Lizardon.

Things are happening XD Everything seems so exciting, Kotetsu went up a few points on the badass meter with owning a Sanzandora.

At least Bel isn't going to be portrayed as nearly as pathetic as Jun was against Shinji.

^ Thank you, Got. Interesting perspective.

I'm pretty neutral on the situation myself. We don't know how long Kotty's had this thing and he IS a world traveler after all. Please not that it's his "secret weapon", implying he's been saving it up for a special occasion. Were people this upset everytime someone like Paul or Gary whipped out a new poke? And sure, he's an idiot...but so is everyone else in this series.

I'm a little upset about Bel, but I can't really say I'm surprised. Yes, she's the ONLY character to experience any growth and development in BW (who else wishes she'd been the female companion over Iris?), but the writers have never really been kind to her int he first darn place. And hey, if she's got to lose, I'm kinda happy it's to a worthy adversary like Riolu

Originally Posted by Masurao

Originally Posted by Metan

Unless it doesn't obey Kotetsu, which is unlikely, it would be a slap in Iris' face and in ours too by screwing the whole "only-a-few-can-train-a-dragon" plot.

Actually a poster on Sppf said something about the scan vaugely mentioning Hydreigon thrashing about or rampaging, it's not quite clear yet though....if it is true then the writers aren't trying anymore.

It became clear the writers aren't really trying in this League when Trip was given a 1v1 match followed by a redundant filler episode.

Originally Posted by Gotpika

Shooti relied mainly on Jalorda in battles and the same goes for Bel and her Emboar, so it's just a case of rookies making rookie mistakes.

It's not just a matter of a trainer making a mistake by choosing to use his or her most powerful pokemon right off the bat. Kotetsu has probably never even seen Bianca battle, so she is she another league opponent to him. The writers are merely deciding to eliminate the rivals that they have focused a lot of time on already first, and are focusing on rivals that barely had any screentime to begin with. The writers ultimately decide who wins and loses these battles; the match-ups are inconsequential. This battle could be Ferrothorn vs. Emboar, or Riolu vs. Escavalier, and the writers will still construct the battle in a way that will grant victory to the character that they want to showcase more in this league. The writers just want to focus on Kotetsu and Virgil in this league. That's all.

Besides, we have only seen Trip and Bianca use one or two pokemon on-screen since BW070. Just because a trainer is shown to be using just one or only a few pokemon on-screen most of the time does not mean that these trainers don't have experience battling with their other pokemon. We don't know how Trip or Bianca's teams have changed since their latest appearances. Obviously both have earned the eight badges needed to advance to the Unova League. For all we know, both Bianca and Trip have six pokemon each.

Bel losing here is probably to set her on her road to becoming Araragi-Hakase's assistant if the writers are following the games and her giving up being a serious trainer.

That is still up for speculation. What happens to all of these characters after this competition is anybody's guess.

At the end of the day the writers were probably thinking it would be a great way to show Kotetsu's skill if he was able to catch and/or raise a Dragon and thought it would make an excellent league battle.

It seems to me that the writers were running out of Gen V pokemon that were not legendaries to give to the major rivals. I could not have seen Stephan own a Liepard, or Kotetsu owning a Hydreigon. Again, there are only a few non-legendary pokemon that have yet to debut in Unova: Zoroark, Klang, and Eelektrik are the others, and two of them are not fully evolved. Most of the evolutionary families in Unova either belong to a main character, a rival, or a recurring COTD. The writers don't like featuring pokemon from the same family belonging to two different trainers unless one of them was a main character.

Meanwhile, no major character has owned a member of the Deino family. The writers did not want to give Virgil anything that was not Eevee-related, so they choose to give a Hydreigon to Kotetsu by process of elimination.

You have to remember Riolu evolves by friendship and some Pokemon simply choose not to evolve and writers will not evolve Pokemon for marketing purposes and we've never seen Riolu in battle so we can't assume he's a weakling because of Riolu because Daikenki in itself is impressive.

True, Riolu is arguably Kotetsu's main pokemon, not Samurott or Hydreigon. On that magazine scan highlighting the league competition from a few weeks ago, Ash and his main rivals were featured on their own panels with their main pokemon. Trip had Serperior, Bianca had Emboar, Stephan had Sawk, Virgil had Eevee and Vaporeon, and Ash had Pikachu.

Again, it does not matter whether a pokemon is unevolved. The writers can decide how strong certain pokemon will be in certain situations, and Kotetsu's Riolu is no exception. Upon further examination, Riolu's victory over Emboar (assuming that this is a 1-on-1) is very similar to Pikachu winning over Trip's Serperior despite the massive type disadvantage.

Originally Posted by Ampharos King

It's not just a matter of a trainer making a mistake by choosing to use his or her most powerful pokemon right off the bat. As far as we know, Kotetsu has not seen Bianca battle, so to him she is just another league opponent.

True, true. I didn't mean it being a mistake in that regard actually. ^^;; More so a mistake in Shooti and Bel mainly using their starters in-general and not focusing on other Pokemon in their party to show them as viable strengths outside of their power players.

The writers are merely deciding to eliminate the rivals that they have focused a lot of time on already first, and are focusing on rivals that barely had any screentime to begin with.

I don't think so, I don't think it has anything to do with focus to be honest. Kotetsu and Satoshi are similar to each other and I just think the writers wanted to focus on them mainly, probably because of Riolu and Eevee being BW2 advertisement mascots. But keep in mind that Shooti and Bel still are newbies.

The writers ultimately decide who wins and loses these battles; the match-ups are inconsequential. This battle could be Ferrothorn vs. Emboar, or Riolu vs. Escavalier, and the writers will still construct the battle in a way that will grant victory to the character that they want to showcase more in this league. The writers just want to focus on Kotetsu and Virgil in this league. That's all.

I don't think so, it just seems like BW's unpredictability coming into play once again. Because Virgil debuted right before the league and I'm positive his main mission in life is Eevee advertisement, so I'm guessing they want to focus on him, like you said, but not from a story focus perspective.

Besides, we have only seen how Trip and Bianca battled on-screen. Just because a trainer is shown to be using just one or only a few pokemon on-screen most of the time does not mean that these trainers don't have experience battling with their other pokemon. We don't know how Trip or Bianca's teams have changed since their latest appearances. Obviously both have earned the eight badges needed to advance to the Unova League. For all we know, both Bianca and Trip have six pokemon each.

We actually know Shooti has six Pokemon ^^ Jalorda, Rouboshin, Banipuuchi, Ranpura, Hatooboh, and Pururiru. Bel has her Chevargo and Chillarmy. Of course with Shooti Pikachu seems like a direct counter to such an agile Pokemon, so it makes sense Satoshi would use Pikachu first. Surely Bel could save her Emboar for a more rougher match, I mean a Miruhog shouldn't be too difficult an opponent for Chillarmy to defeat? Unless Bel is relying on type-advantage it makes sense. It's true, they both earned 8 badges so we at least know they were skilled enough to get that far in their own rights.

That is still up for speculation. What happens to all of these characters after this competition is anybody's guess.

This is very very true.

It seems to me that the writers were running out of Gen V pokemon that were not legendaries to give to the major rivals. I could not have seen Stephan own a Liepard, or Kotetsu owning a Hydreigon. Again, there are only a few non-legendary pokemon that have yet to debut in Unova: Zoroark, Klang, and Eelektrik are the others, and two of them are not fully evolved. Most of the evolutionary families in Unova either belong to a main character, a rival, or a recurring COTD. The writers don't like featuring pokemon from the same family belonging to two different trainers unless one of them was a main character.

I actually thought the writers would give them non-Isshu Pokemon, I don't think debut has anything to do with them receiving those respective Pokemon, since Lepardas technically debuted back in the unaired episode and Sanzandora has been seen twice already. Actually Shooti and Langley both have a member of the Ice cream family, Kengo and Jun both had penguins, Cabernet and Kotetsu have otters, I don't think its a dislike or certain taste, just them going with what they think would be cool.

Meanwhile, no major character has owned a member of the Deino family. The writers did not want to give Virgil anything that was not Eevee-related, so they choose to give a Hydreigon to Kotetsu by process of elimination.

I don't think its a process of elimination, since it's not so out-of-the-park for Shooti to own one either.

Again, it does not matter whether a pokemon is unevolved. The writers can decide how strong certain pokemon will be in certain situations, and Kotetsu's Riolu is no exception.

I agree completely with this.




I think Kotetsu is just sorta like a "Pokemon Savant" if anything. :P We know his true power ignites in battle when he's pushed around a little bit.

...

What...

...So...the owner of the Hydregion...

...is KOTETSU?!

Who the fuck even thought this up?! I mean, really! KOTETSU, a person with about the same IQ points as KANTO ASH, gets a fucking SAZANDORA?!

...

I've lost all hope. Kotetsu will obviously beat Satoshi. If not, Satoshi will lose to Virgil.

And it might be a disobedient Hydriegon too like seriously writers wtf are you thinking sometimes -_-.

Funny how Ash's rivals are being knocked out the tournament in debute order, Trip, Bianca, Stephan, Kotetsu

Unless Hydreigon was given to Kotetsu by his dad or something, this is in no way worse than Iris and Dragonite. For all we know he could have caught a Deino at the beginning of his journey and actually trained the damn thing, unlike Dragonite who joined Iris for no apparent reason.

The thing that really annoys me about these eps (and the league in general) is that the established rivals who have been around since the beginning of best wishes are all losing first. Kind of a kick in the face to all of them (even though I only like Bianca).

Kotetsu vs Ash is 6 on 6 (the full 4th round I mean for BW107), it's hinting toward Riolu's evolution.


Krookodile vs Sawk


thanks to bluesun.

I'm sensing a two part battle here. No way you can fit a full battle in one episode.

And what's with Mijumaru in the league? First he's stuffing himself with apples, now he's playing in the water.

Originally Posted by Musashi

I'm sensing a two part battle here. No way you can fit a full battle in one episode.

And what's with Mijumaru in the league? First he's stuffing himself with apples, now he's playing in the water.

Gotta have that obligatory screentime.

Originally Posted by G50

Kotetsu vs Ash is 6 on 6, it's hinting toward Riolu's evolution.

Nice. I knew that Lucario would appear in the league, as the Season 2 poster probably has nothing to do with the post-league saga. Just because the poster showed a Riolu and Lucario doesn't mean that they aren't one and the same. That is not how marketing works.