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    Default Re: BW090: The Junior Cup Gets Underway! Kairyu VS Tunbear!!

    And the over-glorification of Iris' character continues! The anime producers really should stop making her so powerful. I honestly stopped caring for Iris' development ater the Don Battle, so it's really amusing to see the writers screw up what would have been a truly amazing character. Well, at least there's always Satoshi and Dent...

    I wonder if all of the "Iris getting a Kairyu" hatred would be lessened if she got a Miniryuu or Hakuryuu instead?

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    Default Re: BW090: The Junior Cup Gets Underway! Kairyu VS Tunbear!!

    Correct me if im wrong but, didn't Iris already upstage Ash in the worst possible way back at the Don Battle Tournament finals? Anywho im just gonna wait and see what happens before making any further comments. Though i had wish Iris got a Hydreigon instead due to being a Unova-native Pokemon.
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    Default Re: BW090: The Junior Cup Gets Underway! Kairyu VS Tunbear!!

    This tournament is Ash's supposed "last test" before the league, as he put it in the first episode of "Season 2". So just as he's gathering his strength for the league, what purpose does it serve to give Iris a Pokemon potentially much stronger than the Pokemon he's trained up till now? I'd understand it if she was his actual rival of sorts, but she's not...so what's the deal? They're not going to face off in the league.

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    Its probably a different Magnemite.

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    Default Re: BW090: The Junior Cup Gets Underway! Kairyu VS Tunbear!!

    I know that it's a bit off topic, but maybe it was the trouble stirrer in BW089 and someone caught it a-la-Muk

    In that pic it looks like Iris got beaten :D
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    Default Re: BW090: The Junior Cup Gets Underway! Kairyu VS Tunbear!!

    The tournament begins, and if Dragonite really does belong to Iris, and the writers just HAPPEN to pair up Iris with Georgia...

    That's not just bad writing, that's taking a still-developing character too far, just like they did with Dawn when they gave her a Togekiss, Ash worked to get where he was, and Iris just gets it handed to her on a silver platter with no effort put into it whatsoever, not to mention that right off, she is matched up with Georgia

    Quote Originally Posted by MizuTaipu View Post
    And the over-glorification of Iris' character continues! The anime producers really should stop making her so powerful. I honestly stopped caring for Iris' development ater the Don Battle, so it's really amusing to see the writers screw up what would have been a truly amazing character. Well, at least there's always Satoshi and Dent...

    I wonder if all of the "Iris getting a Kairyu" hatred would be lessened if she got a Miniryuu or Hakuryuu instead?
    I agree, the writers seem to be making Iris a borderline god-mode sue that makes her near invincible, while Ash and Cilan are basically wimps in comparison.
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    Default Re: BW090: The Junior Cup Gets Underway! Kairyu VS Tunbear!!

    Eh Dragonite is honestly overrated pokemon imo. People act like he is some unbeatable Arceus level pokemon, but he really isn't. Dragonite can be very vulnerable(especially to ice attacks) and Ash has variety of pokemon in his arsenal which could hold their ground against it. Charizard, Sceptile, Infernape or Snorlax comes to mind. May Blaziken or Misty Gyarados could give him run for its money too.

    Im bedazzled and suspicious just like most in here are about Iris receiving Dragonite, and it really did come of un expected and undeserved way. But im going to wait until we actually see under what circumstances Iris received Dragonite and if it was his decision to come along with her, before i pick up pitch and forks going on bandwagon.

    I for sure don't think she will breeze through Junior tournament winning all battles left and right. And hopefully writers will use Dragonite as plot device at very least for Iris development in future making capture holding purpose, meaning behind it. If Dragonite indeed ignores Iris or has some personality issues like Ash Charizard did it would be interesting to see Iris reliance on fully evolved pokemon backfiring on her resulting in loss in tournament and Drayden disappointment.

    Which would make sense too, because by now he would have expected from her that Axew at least evolved to Fraxture being stronger and experienced at this point, with incapability to handle bigger dragon types properly leaving bad impression on him bringing in question her familiarity with dragon types.
    This would also somehow explain Iris being nervous of meting Drayden again, being possibly afraid of not living up to his expectations and trying hard enough to become recognized dragon master one day.

    If writers pull of this type of scenery i will be somewhat pleased, and i hope Axew wont be overshadowed with more effort being put in little guy development.
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    Default Re: BW090: The Junior Cup Gets Underway! Kairyu VS Tunbear!!

    An image was recently released for this episode. You can check it out on BNN. It shows Dragonite on one knee, looking like its in pain. My judgement of the image could be wrong, but it looks like Dragonite may not be such a hotshot after all, which gives me hope. But still, I worry that this image may not be exactly what it appears to be. A picture is worth a thousand words, but, in this case, those words may need some translating. However, if this image does give the right impression, then maybe, just maybe, Iris and Dragonite will be short-lived. Hopefully, just like Pokemon Fan 132 said, if Drayden is involved, and Iris fails miserably, it will make him question her ability to use and understand Dragon-type Pokemon properly. Maybe this will be the thing needed to finally tell Iris that shortcuts in the Pokemon world don't ensure victory. She's taking a shortcut in catching a powerful Pokemon just before a tournament, then using it to square off with her rival, Georgia.

    Hopefully, not only will Georgia finally get to trounce a "big dragon", but it will knock some sense into Iris, snapping her to reality, and maybe make her realize she's not such a super-experienced Trainer who has the right to criticize another due to his personality quirks. Hopefully, if that happens, Drayden will take Dragonite away, only allowing her to have it back, if at all, if she finally accepts that she's not the hotshot dragon master she thinks she is, and learns to reevaluate her training with Axew. Seeing how Axew may never evolve, it may prove that Iris is not this prodigy the Dragon Village once saw. It seems that all those victories went right to her head, and if Georgia destroys her, then maybe it will give Iris the slap of reality she needs to de-glorify her character, bringing her to a realistic level.

    But... it's just one image. We'll know for sure when the episode airs. But I have hope now that this "partnership" will be as short-lived as a housefly's life.
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    I thought that image with Kairyu was shown before...

    Let's hope it means what we want it to mean. At the very least, make Iris lose after the 2nd or 3rd battle with that Pokémon. Even though many/most of us have already given up on any actual development on Iris' part, I still have that glimpse of a hope that Kairyu will be responsible for the turning point in Iris' story arc and probably even face a depression period similar to Hikari's. Meh, not very likely. Unlike Shootie, Iris should take such a defeat more to the heart, and we could see changes in how she "trains" with her Pokémon (which we have seen little of).

    Don't put too much hope on that pic, don't put too much hope on that pic.

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    Default Re: BW090: The Junior Cup Gets Underway! Kairyu VS Tunbear!!

    The more I think about it, the more this battle actually seems very evenly matched. Georgia might have the x4 type advantage, but Iris has a pure heart, mind and soul DEM bullshittery powers - it could go either way.

    But what's really making me hope the scales will tip in Georgia's favour is that I doubt this is the final battle between the two rivals. (I imagine Axew would be more involved if it was) Just for once, I'm hoping they're saving Iris' victory over Georgia until then. Iris can have her triumph later, right now I want to see her knocked down a few pegs. Badly.

    Then again, this is Iris we're talking about...
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    Quote Originally Posted by CynthiaLover View Post
    An image was recently released for this episode. You can check it out on BNN. It shows Dragonite on one knee, looking like its in pain. My judgement of the image could be wrong, but it looks like Dragonite may not be such a hotshot after all, which gives me hope. But still, I worry that this image may not be exactly what it appears to be. A picture is worth a thousand words, but, in this case, those words may need some translating. However, if this image does give the right impression, then maybe, just maybe, Iris and Dragonite will be short-lived. Hopefully, just like Pokemon Fan 132 said, if Drayden is involved, and Iris fails miserably, it will make him question her ability to use and understand Dragon-type Pokemon properly. Maybe this will be the thing needed to finally tell Iris that shortcuts in the Pokemon world don't ensure victory. She's taking a shortcut in catching a powerful Pokemon just before a tournament, then using it to square off with her rival, Georgia.
    Maybe that might cause her to lose confidence in herself like Dawn did before. That could a usable post-WTJC plot and might lead to some nice Dawn/Iris interactions, with Dawn understanding how it feels to lose in a first round and all.
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    Default Re: BW090: The Junior Cup Gets Underway! Kairyu VS Tunbear!!

    I dunno, but to me it looks like that image fits better to episode before this, when Iris actually catches Dragonite. Still the date for the episode seems to be correct. :/
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    Default Re: BW090: The Junior Cup Gets Underway! Kairyu VS Tunbear!!

    Are the writers trying to make Iris powerful because of her position in the BW2 games? I'm really disliking how the writers are handling Iris' character. Its really hard being a fan of Iris.
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    Default Re: BW090: The Junior Cup Gets Underway! Kairyu VS Tunbear!!

    Funnily enough over at Serebii most people love the idea of Iris getting Dragonite.

    Just goes to show you how different opinions are based on what Pokemon forum you're visiting.

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