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    Kotetsu must have something strong about him as a trainer if he can train up his starter to a powerful Samurott, his Riolu into a strong Lucario, and control a Hydregion.

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    VA List

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    Axew
    Lucario
    Eevee
    Flareon
    Espeon
    Virgil
    Cameron
    Bianca
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    Only Cilan can make holding a fishing rod look badass.
    This is Cilan's Stunfisk, he laughs at you.

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    Flareon and Espeon? Now, that's the kind of favoritism that I like to see; one of them will probably bring Lucario down. Umbreon is also supposed to appear judging from the calendar, so I guess it will just get a quick montage against Imotaro, which is fine considering we've already seen it being used before. I think that Eevee vs. Druddigon will be the final league match.
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    The TV Tokyo summary has arrived with the VA List and the full summary of this episode

    VA List: Ash: Rika Matsumoto, Pikachu: Ikue Ohtani, Cilan: Mamoru Miyano, Iris: Aoi Yuki, Axew: , Snivy: Megumi Hayadhibara, Eevee: Chinami Nishimura, Lucario, Flareon: Yuki Hayashi, Espeon: Hiromi Igarashi, Bianca: Shizuka Ito, Stephan: Tomohiro Waki, Freddy O'Martian: Mitsuaki Madono, Cameron: Koki Uchiyama, Virgil: Yuki Kaji, Deby: Ryohei Kimura, Referee: Kensuke Sato, Narrator: Unsho Ishizuka.

    Thought of the VA List:
    It's released early.... because of New Year, apparently.

    The summary only mentions Ash vs Cameron but in the VA List appears 3 of Virgil's pokemon. And we know that Umbreon will be in the episode. But we don't see any of Ash's pokemon with the exception of Pikachu and Snivy. Ash won't battle Virgil because I don't see skipping in Ash battles four pokemons.

    -Lucario repeats Voice Actor: Rikako Aikawa

    I think that will be a Cameron vs Virgil battle. A part of it will be shown on-screen (not all of it). Although I wonder why Umbreon doesn't appear in it.

    -The Unova League will end in this episode as expected.

    -At the end of the epsidoe, we have more new information of episode N. Meaning that we'll have new information of the N's arc in January 3th, 10th and 13th.

    And to remind everyone about the episode, today there isn't a Smash episode. Pokemon Smash will return next week and the episode that will air will be "Satoshi vs Kotetsu! Secret Weapon Sazandora!!". Yes, this is because the Smash cast thinks that a 3-week cliff-hanger is a lot for kids (and I agree compeltely on them).

    I delete Playerking quote because he/she changed the post.

    Yeah, in the VA List appears both Freddy O'Maritan and Davey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnr754 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Moe View Post
    All we know is that Cameron was surprised it was a 6 on 6 battle - considering every round shown has changed the amount of Pokemon that each battle uses it's hardly the worst thing in the world that someone might get it wrong. We don't know how many Pokemon he actually has on hand - he probably does have a full 6 - but if he can beat Ash with 5 it doesn't matter.

    Ash isn't being humiliated - the battle so far is even, by virtue of stupid battle choices on both sides - Cameron would be even further ahead in battle if he didn't make the bad choices that he has.

    I'm going to jump in this argument and tell about game bullshit.

    For example, say there were two trainers in a battle.

    Let's call one trainer "Ash" and the other trainer "Cameron".

    Let's say Ash has almost all of his Pokémon at Lv60, and Cameron's at Lv65. So far, what's left is Lucario VS Pikachu. Because of how high-powered Lucario is, Cameron, because of how easily the moron beat Ash's Pokémon, technically, he would win.

    This is better than Ash winning, but of course this means Ash not fighting Virgil, but face it. It's not because the writers hate Ash or something - it's true-blue game logic.
    Oh Please , like writer ever care about game logic !
    If Writer wanted to end the league so fast then they could just skipped those worthless filler !
    But They didn't !
    They didn't prepare Ash for the League, They didn't develop his character & Pokemon , They doesn't let him win any major Tournament and now they decide end the League where Ash lose to a idiot with 5 pokemon !
    They not only made that Trainer idiotic, They let him beat Ash with Just 5 Pokemon rather then 6 !
    They couldn't let Ash to lose to him in a proper 6 on 6 Battle !
    And Now ,
    You guys telling me that Ash isn't humiliated and writer doesn't hate Ash !
    Its like Showing me a Goat and telling me Its a Cow !
    Losing to a idiot with 5 pokemon is humiliating !
    By the way ,
    Ash team is just as developed as Kotetsu .
    However you Ash-hater doesn't notice that because-
    - Ash caught more Pokemon then Kotetsu .
    -Ash wasn't lucky enough to catch a fully evolved pseudo Legendary Pokemon like Iris and writer wasn't kind enough to let one of his Unova Starter to be fully evolved ! (Since they wanted Ash to have 3 rival with different fully evolved Stater Pokemon in the League )
    If you get rid of the babies (Snivy , Oshawott and Scraggy) Then Ash team was just as strong as Kotetsu's !
    Losing to A trainer with 5 Pokemon is humiliating !
    Its will be always be humiliating no matter how many time you guy try to act about it !
    If Writer wanted Ash to lose to Kotetsu then they could made it a 6 on 6 Battle .
    But They decided to make 5 on 6 Battle !
    Its obvious Writer wanted Ash to be humiliated since they hate him !
    As for Game logic ,
    You do know Trip has a Coneckdurr while Paul has Electrivire and Magmortor !
    But They shouldn't have those Pokemon since those Pokemon need trade to evolve.
    Furthermore , Pikachu should be in level 90 now !
    So how did it lose to a Rookie's Snivy & Servine 2 time in row and had to use every power in his bone to defect it in 3rd time.
    What happen to your Game logic When Ash is involved ?
    Oh , I remember !
    Your Guys habit is to poke only Ash's butt .
    Its not like you guys would care !
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hurricane Kishore View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by johnr754 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Moe View Post
    All we know is that Cameron was surprised it was a 6 on 6 battle - considering every round shown has changed the amount of Pokemon that each battle uses it's hardly the worst thing in the world that someone might get it wrong. We don't know how many Pokemon he actually has on hand - he probably does have a full 6 - but if he can beat Ash with 5 it doesn't matter.

    Ash isn't being humiliated - the battle so far is even, by virtue of stupid battle choices on both sides - Cameron would be even further ahead in battle if he didn't make the bad choices that he has.

    I'm going to jump in this argument and tell about game bullshit.

    For example, say there were two trainers in a battle.

    Let's call one trainer "Ash" and the other trainer "Cameron".

    Let's say Ash has almost all of his Pokémon at Lv60, and Cameron's at Lv65. So far, what's left is Lucario VS Pikachu. Because of how high-powered Lucario is, Cameron, because of how easily the moron beat Ash's Pokémon, technically, he would win.

    This is better than Ash winning, but of course this means Ash not fighting Virgil, but face it. It's not because the writers hate Ash or something - it's true-blue game logic.
    Oh Please , like writer ever care about game logic !
    I know that, but I was just saying if something like that happened in the games, it's the way it worked.
    If Writer wanted to end the league so fast then they could just skipped those worthless filler !
    But They didn't !
    There was only one worthless filler in the league - that Axew episode.
    They didn't prepare Ash for the League, They didn't develop his character & Pokemon , They doesn't let him win any major Tournament and now they decide end the League where Ash lose to a idiot with 5 pokemon !
    As I said before, the less you have, the stronger you are. Sure, this doesn't work for Ash, but it worked for me in Platinum, and it worked for Kotetsu.
    They not only made that Trainer idiotic, They let him beat Ash with Just 5 Pokemon rather then 6 !
    They couldn't let Ash to lose to him in a proper 6 on 6 Battle !

    At least it's BETTER than Ash losing to two legendary Pokémon.
    And Now ,
    You guys telling me that Ash isn't humiliated and writer doesn't hate Ash !
    No, if the writers hated Ash, he would have died in Mewtwo Strikes Back, or in the first episode.
    Its like Showing me a Goat and telling me Its a Cow !
    No, it's different. As I said before, if the writers truly hated Ash, he would've died after Pikachu shocked him in the first episode.
    Losing to a idiot with 5 pokemon is humiliating !
    Yes, it is. But, not as humiliating as losing to 5 out of 6 of Trip's Pokémon.
    y the way ,
    Ash team is just as developed as Kotetsu .
    However you Ash-hater
    I don't hate Ash. Sure, he's a moron, but still.
    doesn't notice that because-
    - Ash caught more Pokemon then Kotetsu .
    -Ash wasn't lucky enough to catch a fully evolved pseudo Legendary Pokemon like Iris and writer wasn't kind enough to let one of his Unova Starter to be fully evolved ! (Since they wanted Ash to have 3 rival with different fully evolved Stater Pokemon in the League )
    In Johto, none of his starters - except Bayleef - were evolved.
    If you get rid of the babies (Snivy , Oshawott and Scraggy) Then Ash team was just as strong as Kotetsu's !
    Pikachu, Boldore, Snivy, Pignite, Leavanny, Unfeazant.

    No, it isn't.
    Losing to A trainer with 5 Pokemon is humiliating !
    Doing a solo run on the E4 and beating them is more humiliating.[/QUOTE]
    Its will be always be humiliating no matter how many time you guy try to act about it !
    If Writer wanted Ash to lose to Kotetsu then they could made it a 6 on 6 Battle .
    What WOULD fill in Cameron's sixth slot? Another Samurott? The writer's imagination was low.
    But They decided to make 5 on 6 Battle !
    Its obvious Writer wanted Ash to be humiliated since they hate him !
    As I said BEFORE, If the writers hated Ash as much as the writers of Spongebob hate Squidward, then Ash would have died by Episode 1.
    As for Game logic ,
    You do know Trip has a Coneckdurr while Paul has Electrivire and Magmortor !
    But They shouldn't have those Pokemon since those Pokemon need trade to evolve.
    I meant for the levels. Not for trading.
    Furthermore , Pikachu should be in level 90 now !
    Justified to fuck since AG.
    So how did it lose to a Rookie's Snivy & Servine 2 time in row and had to use every power in his bone to defect it in 3rd time.
    Zekrom sucked out the power of Pikachu's electriciy for a while. Simple. It resetted Pikachu back to Lv5. Like it did in AG and DP.
    What happen to your Game logic When Ash is involved ?
    IT WAS ONLY FOR THE LEVEL COMPARASION, NOT FOR ANYTHING ELSE.
    Oh , I remember !
    Your Guys habit is to poke only Ash's butt .
    Its not like you guys would care !
    Listen, I DON'T HATE ASH. I said what I said because the logic works.
    Why are you looking here? There is nothing here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnr754 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Hurricane Kishore View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by johnr754 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Moe View Post
    All we know is that Cameron was surprised it was a 6 on 6 battle - considering every round shown has changed the amount of Pokemon that each battle uses it's hardly the worst thing in the world that someone might get it wrong. We don't know how many Pokemon he actually has on hand - he probably does have a full 6 - but if he can beat Ash with 5 it doesn't matter.

    Ash isn't being humiliated - the battle so far is even, by virtue of stupid battle choices on both sides - Cameron would be even further ahead in battle if he didn't make the bad choices that he has.

    I'm going to jump in this argument and tell about game bullshit.

    For example, say there were two trainers in a battle.

    Let's call one trainer "Ash" and the other trainer "Cameron".

    Let's say Ash has almost all of his Pokémon at Lv60, and Cameron's at Lv65. So far, what's left is Lucario VS Pikachu. Because of how high-powered Lucario is, Cameron, because of how easily the moron beat Ash's Pokémon, technically, he would win.

    This is better than Ash winning, but of course this means Ash not fighting Virgil, but face it. It's not because the writers hate Ash or something - it's true-blue game logic.
    Oh Please , like writer ever care about game logic !
    I know that, but I was just saying if something like that happened in the games, it's the way it worked.
    They didn't prepare Ash for the League, They didn't develop his character & Pokemon , They doesn't let him win any major Tournament and now they decide end the League where Ash lose to a idiot with 5 pokemon !
    As I said before, the less you have, the stronger you are. Sure, this doesn't work for Ash, but it worked for me in Platinum, and it worked for Kotetsu.
    They not only made that Trainer idiotic, They let him beat Ash with Just 5 Pokemon rather then 6 !
    They couldn't let Ash to lose to him in a proper 6 on 6 Battle !

    At least it's BETTER than Ash losing to two legendary Pokémon.

    Its like Showing me a Goat and telling me Its a Cow !
    No, it's different. As I said before, if the writers truly hated Ash, he would've died after Pikachu shocked him in the first episode.
    Losing to a idiot with 5 pokemon is humiliating !
    Yes, it is. But, not as humiliating as losing to 5 out of 6 of Trip's Pokémon.
    y the way ,
    Ash team is just as developed as Kotetsu .
    However you Ash-hater
    I don't hate Ash. Sure, he's a moron, but still.
    doesn't notice that because-
    - Ash caught more Pokemon then Kotetsu .
    -Ash wasn't lucky enough to catch a fully evolved pseudo Legendary Pokemon like Iris and writer wasn't kind enough to let one of his Unova Starter to be fully evolved ! (Since they wanted Ash to have 3 rival with different fully evolved Stater Pokemon in the League )
    In Johto, none of his starters - except Bayleef - were evolved.



    But They decided to make 5 on 6 Battle !
    Its obvious Writer wanted Ash to be humiliated since they hate him !
    As I said BEFORE, If the writers hated Ash as much as the writers of Spongebob hate Squidward, then Ash would have died by Episode 1.
    As for Game logic ,
    You do know Trip has a Coneckdurr while Paul has Electrivire and Magmortor !
    But They shouldn't have those Pokemon since those Pokemon need trade to evolve.
    I meant for the levels. Not for trading.
    Furthermore , Pikachu should be in level 90 now !
    Justified to fuck since AG.
    So how did it lose to a Rookie's Snivy & Servine 2 time in row and had to use every power in his bone to defect it in 3rd time.
    Zekrom sucked out the power of Pikachu's electriciy for a while. Simple. It resetted Pikachu back to Lv5. Like it did in AG and DP.
    What happen to your Game logic When Ash is involved ?
    IT WAS ONLY FOR THE LEVEL COMPARASION, NOT FOR ANYTHING ELSE.
    Oh , I remember !
    Your Guys habit is to poke only Ash's butt .
    Its not like you guys would care !
    Listen, I DON'T HATE ASH. I said what I said because the logic works.
    How do you even compare A trainer with Legendary Pokemon & Mewtwo with Kotetsu !
    Kotetsu just a idiot with a pseudo Legendary Pokemon ! Nothing else .
    There is no humiliation in losing to a E4 , Champion , and A trainer with Legendary Pokemon !
    However Kotetsu happen to be a whole different thing .
    By the way , If Ash beaten Trip on a 5 vs 6 battle then you guys would call it unfair !
    However , Thing become fair When Ash is one suffering that !
    Ash getting KO by a Mewtwo Wouldn't be as humiliating as Ash losing to Kotetsu on a 6 vs 5 battle .
    And thats truth no matter how many time you defy common sense to prove your ridiculous Point !
    And Now ,
    You guys telling me that Ash isn't humiliated and writer doesn't hate Ash !
    No, if the writers hated Ash, he would have died in Mewtwo Strikes Back, or in the first episode.
    The only reason they haven't murder Ash to keep their job .
    But They ever get the chance then they will murder Ash for sure !
    If they hear that they can kill Ash and get to keep their job then it will be the happiest day of their life .
    Losing to A trainer with 5 Pokemon is humiliating !
    Doing a solo run on the E4 and beating them is more humiliating.
    [/QUOTE]
    Who's doing a solo run on the E4 ????
    Last time I checked , Ash or any other non E4 and non champion couldn't beat any Pokemon of a E4.
    Its will be always be humiliating no matter how many time you guy try to act about it !
    If Writer wanted Ash to lose to Kotetsu then they could made it a 6 on 6 Battle .
    What WOULD fill in Cameron's sixth slot? Another Samurott? The writer's imagination was low.
    There over 400 Pokemon in the world and writer need high power imagination just to fill Kotetsu 6th slot.
    Plus , If Their imagination that low then how does they got their job.
    Off-course , I guess I was right about all the writer getting their job by ''Family Connection'' rather then any talent or qualification .
    If you get rid of the babies (Snivy , Oshawott and Scraggy) Then Ash team was just as strong as Kotetsu's !
    Pikachu, Boldore, Snivy, Pignite, Leavanny, Unfeazant.
    No, it isn't.
    It is however they can't do a thing if writer doesn't let them too !
    If Writer wanted to end the league so fast then they could just skipped those worthless filler !
    But They didn't !
    There was only one worthless filler in the league - that Axew episode.
    Ohhh , I guess the Tag -Battle episode , The nursery Episode , The Cross-dressing episode and all those other filler before the league has disappeared into the thin air.
    Plus , What the point of putting a Axew filler right middle of the league if they wanted to end it quickly .
    If you don't have any logic that stop shouting nonsense with me!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hurricane Kishore View Post

    Ash team is just as developed as Kotetsu .
    - Ash caught more Pokemon then Kotetsu .
    -Ash wasn't lucky enough to catch a fully evolved pseudo Legendary Pokemon like Iris and writer wasn't kind enough to let one of his Unova Starter to be fully evolved ! (Since they wanted Ash to have 3 rival with different fully evolved Stater Pokemon in the League )
    If you get rid of the babies (Snivy , Oshawott and Scraggy) Then Ash team was just as strong as Kotetsu's !
    You do know Trip has a Coneckdurr while Paul has Electrivire and Magmortor !
    But They shouldn't have those Pokemon since those Pokemon need trade to evolve.
    Your Guys habit is to poke only Ash's butt .
    Its not like you guys would care !
    Ash's team is nowhere near Cameron's in power.
    We don't know how many Pokemon Cameron caught. All we know is that he thought it was a 5-5 battle. Number of Pokemon cannot be correlated to power.
    When Iris caught Dragonite, it was a case of bad writing. However, she was not competing in a league and Dnite lost early in PWT. So Dnite wasn't added to her team to be a last-minute powerhouse, it was added for her 'Dragon Master' quest.
    If Ash on the other hand was given a evolved pseudo-legendary late in the saga, it would be explicitly for the purpose of adding power and balance to his undeveloped team. Somewhat like Dawn's Togekiss before the Grand Festival. That would be an awful and lazy thing to write.
    Being unevolved has nothing to do with 'babies' as you put it. Snivy is shown to be quite experienced. Also, Bulbasaur was once one of Ash's most consistent Pokemon, but it never evolved.
    For all we know, Trip and Paul could have traded and traded back, just like most gamers do. Their evolutions were not onscreen and trade evolutions do exist in the anime.

    My belief that Ash got what he deserved has nothing to do with him as a character.
    To paraphrase Tessio from The Godfather, "Tell him it was only bad writing. I always liked him."

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    Quote Originally Posted by The One and Only RA View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Hurricane Kishore View Post

    Ash team is just as developed as Kotetsu .
    - Ash caught more Pokemon then Kotetsu .
    -Ash wasn't lucky enough to catch a fully evolved pseudo Legendary Pokemon like Iris and writer wasn't kind enough to let one of his Unova Starter to be fully evolved ! (Since they wanted Ash to have 3 rival with different fully evolved Stater Pokemon in the League )
    If you get rid of the babies (Snivy , Oshawott and Scraggy) Then Ash team was just as strong as Kotetsu's !
    You do know Trip has a Coneckdurr while Paul has Electrivire and Magmortor !
    But They shouldn't have those Pokemon since those Pokemon need trade to evolve.
    Your Guys habit is to poke only Ash's butt .
    Its not like you guys would care !
    Ash's team is nowhere near Cameron's in power.
    We don't know how many Pokemon Cameron caught. All we know is that he thought it was a 5-5 battle. Number of Pokemon cannot be correlated to power.
    When Iris caught Dragonite, it was a case of bad writing. However, she was not competing in a league and Dnite lost early in PWT. So Dnite wasn't added to her team to be a last-minute powerhouse, it was added for her 'Dragon Master' quest.
    If Ash on the other hand was given a evolved pseudo-legendary late in the saga, it would be explicitly for the purpose of adding power and balance to his undeveloped team. Somewhat like Dawn's Togekiss before the Grand Festival. That would be an awful and lazy thing to write.
    Being unevolved has nothing to do with 'babies' as you put it. Snivy is shown to be quite experienced. Also, Bulbasaur was once one of Ash's most consistent Pokemon, but it never evolved.
    For all we know, Trip and Paul could have traded and traded back, just like most gamers do. Their evolutions were not onscreen and trade evolutions do exist in the anime.

    My belief that Ash got what he deserved has nothing to do with him as a character.
    To paraphrase Tessio from The Godfather, "Tell him it was only bad writing. I always liked him."
    So its all Ash's fault that writer focus too much on Iris and Cilan while ignoring his development !!!
    We should just hung Ash instate of the writer !
    A trainer who bring 5 pokemon in 6 on 6 doesn't deserve to win no matter how many powerfull Pokemon he gets .
    We never saw Kotetsu or any other trainer to ever train except Ash & Stephan .
    Despite that , They get super high power Pokemon without showing any Training while Ash have to show incredible amount of training just to develop his current Pokemon.
    Ash is one who didn't got what he deserve !!! He deserved more development and more attention but writer waste everything on some worthless filler and Iris & Cilan's glorification!!!
    Ash is much better trainer then Kotetsu but Kotetsu get have a better team without training and get to beat Ash without a 6th Pokemon .
    Then what was wrong with Ash in Kento !
    He had better pokemon then Richie so he did had suffer consciousnesses .
    A trainer who doesn't even bring 5 pokemon in a full battle deserve to lose no matter what pokemon he has because A Trainer is more important then the Pokemon he has !!!
    You guys kept saying Ash doesn't evolve Pokemon or train them but how can he do it if Writer doesn't let him too ???
    Answer that first before saying anything else !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hurricane Kishore View Post
    He had better pokemon then Richie so he did had suffer consciousnesses .
    A trainer who doesn't even bring 5 pokemon in a full battle deserve to lose no matter what pokemon he has because A Trainer is more important then the Pokemon he has !!!
    You guys kept saying Ash doesn't evolve Pokemon or train them but how can he do it if Writer doesn't let him too ???
    Answer that first before saying anything else !
    How did Ash suffer "consciousness"? Is he an unconscious guy wandering around regions in a semi-comatose state? That might actually be a valid point.
    Don't go on about that bullshit "trainer is more important than Pokemon" theory again. It isn't. As I said, try to beat the Elite4 in a game with 6 Luvdisc and then try it with one powerful Pokemon. Feel the difference.
    Consider it this way- Cameron won't even need six Pokemon. How many Pokemon he brings is thus immaterial.
    Ash has never shown any exceptional desire to train in BW.

    I get the feeling that you are too much of an Ash fanboy. We will never agree, but please don't get so aggressive. After all, it is just an anime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hurricane Kishore View Post
    So its all Ash's fault that writer focus too much on Iris and Cilan while ignoring his development !!!
    Satoshi doesn't get any character development these days, he hasn't since like AG. Battle wise he gets development often. This is not "the Ash show" the fact people get so hot and bothered when Dento and especially Iris gets screen time is unnerving and shows some would rather them be cheerleaders rather than characters in their own right. I love Satoshi, but he's not interesting enough to carry a whole show on his own.

    We should just hung Ash instate of the writer !
    A trainer who bring 5 pokemon in 6 on 6 doesn't deserve to win no matter how many powerfull Pokemon he gets .
    The writers make Satoshi's team as strong as they want. Like I said before if Kotetsu has an evolved Dragon, he's clearly a strong trainer or at least skilled.
    We never saw Kotetsu or any other trainer to ever train except Ash & Stephan .
    Kotetsu doesn't need training on-screen, we know he trained because it was mentioned he trains off-screen. For the record we don't see Satoshi training on screen a lot either, it's mostly at the beginning of episodes or at the end, not throughout the whole episode. We see short scenes of Iris and Satoshi training in episodes regularly and get mentions of them often, that's all we NEED to see. Like I said before, as the viewer we can easily surmise he's doing it off-screen. We didn't get any scenes of Bel or Shooti training off-screen did we? Bel supposedly trained before her journey and evolved her Pokabu into a Chaobu and it single-handily earned her two badges, I admit that did seem a bit sketchy with how she's been portrayed. But you can't claim that Satoshi is the only one on this show training.

    Ash is one who didn't got what he deserve !!! He deserved more development and more attention but writer waste everything on some worthless filler and Iris & Cilan's glorification!!!
    This is not "The Ash Show" Iris and Dento deserve episodes too -.-
    Ash is much better trainer then Kotetsu but Kotetsu get have a better team without training and get to beat Ash without a 6th Pokemon .
    Then what was wrong with Ash in Kento !
    Who says Kotetsu doesn't train? His Riolu, Daikenki, Nattorei, and Sanzandora all seem damn-well trained. The first knocked out Bel's Emboar, her strongest. The Dragon has been portrayed along with many other Dragons as being naturally strong. Daikenki and Nattorei earned him the Wave Badge, Kotetsu used Daikenki against Shizui as a strategy. You can't claim Kotetsu doesn't train just because you don't see it.

    You guys kept saying Ash doesn't evolve Pokemon or train them but how can he do it if Writer doesn't let him too ???
    Answer that first before saying anything else !
    1.Satoshi does train, we don't get 40 episodes of it being demonstrated like in Shinou and people were so use to that writing style that they got a huge brain fart when it wasn't episodes upon episodes of Satoshi and his companions training together. Look at AG, he doesn't train heavily on screen there either.
    2.Mijumaru, Zuruggu, and Tsutarja aren't evolved because they're marketable.
    3.Did you miss Waruvial, Hahakomori, Gamagaru, Kenhallow, and Chaobu all being evolved Pokemon. Hahakomori has better battles and I think a better win-record than Tsutarja has too. Waruvial beat Iris' Kairyu. Chaobu has been portrayed as a powerhouse since he evolved. Satoshi has evolved Pokemon, I just think your character bias is keeping you from seeing that and I don't mean that in a rude way. :/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gotpika View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Hurricane Kishore View Post
    So its all Ash's fault that writer focus too much on Iris and Cilan while ignoring his development !!!
    Satoshi doesn't get any character development these days, he hasn't since like AG. Battle wise he gets development often. This is not "the Ash show" the fact people get so hot and bothered when Dento and especially Iris gets screen time is unnerving and shows some would rather them be cheerleaders rather than characters in their own right. I love Satoshi, but he's not interesting enough to carry a whole show on his own.

    We should just hung Ash instate of the writer !
    A trainer who bring 5 pokemon in 6 on 6 doesn't deserve to win no matter how many powerfull Pokemon he gets .
    The writers make Satoshi's team as strong as they want. Like I said before if Kotetsu has an evolved Dragon, he's clearly a strong trainer or at least skilled.
    We never saw Kotetsu or any other trainer to ever train except Ash & Stephan .
    Kotetsu doesn't need training on-screen, we know he trained because it was mentioned he trains off-screen. For the record we don't see Satoshi training on screen a lot either, it's mostly at the beginning of episodes or at the end, not throughout the whole episode. We see short scenes of Iris and Satoshi training in episodes regularly and get mentions of them often, that's all we NEED to see. Like I said before, as the viewer we can easily surmise he's doing it off-screen. We didn't get any scenes of Bel or Shooti training off-screen did we? Bel supposedly trained before her journey and evolved her Pokabu into a Chaobu and it single-handily earned her two badges, I admit that did seem a bit sketchy with how she's been portrayed. But you can't claim that Satoshi is the only one on this show training.

    Ash is one who didn't got what he deserve !!! He deserved more development and more attention but writer waste everything on some worthless filler and Iris & Cilan's glorification!!!
    This is not "The Ash Show" Iris and Dento deserve episodes too -.-
    You guys kept saying Ash doesn't evolve Pokemon or train them but how can he do it if Writer doesn't let him too ???
    Answer that first before saying anything else !
    1.Satoshi does train, we don't get 40 episodes of it being demonstrated like in Shinou and people were so use to that writing style that they got a huge brain fart when it wasn't episodes upon episodes of Satoshi and his companions training together. Look at AG, he doesn't train heavily on screen there either.
    2.Mijumaru, Zuruggu, and Tsutarja aren't evolved because they're marketable.
    3.Did you miss Waruvial, Hahakomori, Gamagaru, Kenhallow, and Chaobu all being evolved Pokemon. Hahakomori has better battles and I think a better win-record than Tsutarja has too. Waruvial beat Iris' Kairyu. Chaobu has been portrayed as a powerhouse since he evolved. Satoshi has evolved Pokemon, I just think your character bias is keeping you from seeing that and I don't mean that in a rude way. :/
    Ash is much better trainer then Kotetsu but Kotetsu get have a better team without training and get to beat Ash without a 6th Pokemon .
    Then what was wrong with Ash in Kento !
    Who says Kotetsu doesn't train? His Riolu, Daikenki, Nattorei, and Sanzandora all seem damn-well trained. The first knocked out Bel's Emboar, her strongest. The Dragon has been portrayed along with many other Dragons as being naturally strong. Daikenki and Nattorei earned him the Wave Badge, Kotetsu used Daikenki against Shizui as a strategy. You can't claim Kotetsu doesn't train just because you don't see it.
    Oh really ,
    I heard yesterday @Moe shouting about Ash never training and got what he deserve!
    Only because He didn't saw Ash training as much as he want in On-screen .
    So tell me , Why do you expect me to believe Kotetsu train more then Ash when I never seen him to train !
    As far as his Pokemon go , Ash also got develop pokemon as well.
    He wasn't as lucky as Kotetsu & Iris to get a fully evolve Dragon Pokemon .
    And He will never get a fully evolved Dragon Pokemon because writer believe it would make Ash look too overpowered.
    They even took away Ash's Charizard and now Ash only can ''Borrow'' him for Special battle and then he has to send it away.
    Not everybody is lucky enough to catch one Pseudo Legendary Pokemon.
    Specially When its Ash who has a lot of ''Restriction'' !!!
    But just because Ash isn't allow to have his own fully Pseudo Legendary and he wasn't allow to fully evolve any of his Unova Stater , Doesn't mean its okay for Kotetsu to whip him out with 5 Pokemon.
    If Writer really want Kotetsu to win then they could make it 6 vs 6 !
    Why did they had to go 5 vs 6 ???
    Why ? Did they want all Ash fan to feel even worst .

    By the way , You haven't notice
    3 Pokemon Kotetsu's Pokemon evolve only once while 2 of his Pokemon evolve twice .
    And Chance's are that Kotetsu befriended that Hydregion in order to catch it .
    If we count the number then Ash had way more evolution then Kotetsu.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hurricane Kishore View Post
    Oh really ,
    I heard yesterday @Moe shouting about Ash never training and got what he deserve!
    Only because He didn't saw Ash training as much as he want in On-screen .
    You are making a false and impossible disconnect between Ash and 'the writers'. Ash is a character written for a TV series, all of his actions are written - all of his 'off-screen' actions should be hinted at for narrative continuity.

    When I say 'Ash didn't train', I'm saying that as his character was written during this season in a way that didn't suggest he was developing his Pokemon team as much as both he has done so in past series and to enough of a degree to make writing a winning result a believable story.

    I am saying that based on what has been written so far does not represent a context that should result in a league win - in comparison with all the past writing in the series showing how much training that Ash went through to reach his previous highs - which as I've said needs to occur with all of his new Pokemon each region, they don't just suddenly get strong because Ash catches them.

    It would be extremely convoluted to try and make that distinction with each post, and most certainly don't need to have that logical step explained to them. Replace 'Ash' in my posts with 'Ash as he has been written by the writers to this point' if you don't get it.

    I have complaints about Cameron, to summarise quickly - I think his having a Hydreigon hurts Iris' storyline by making her Dragon mastery goal seem far easier than it should be and I think he needed to be introduced earlier to make his win seem less forced - but I certainly don't have an issue with a character having a clear win, or the personality he has been given. The sense I get from Cameron as a character so far is that he has a good nature with Pokemon - even if he is clumsy.

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