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    Default Re: Best Wishes - what happened?

    Post ended up being just a little long, so I put it in a spoiler.


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    Must hAVE CHANGED SOME OF THE WRITERS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ambipom666 View Post
    Post ended up being just a little long, so I put it in a spoiler.

    That's just impossible. Generation 5 was all about N and Team Plasma. It doesn't make sense for Team Plasma to take the back seat. They were the main villains in the games, and if we take them out, we have nothing in Unova.

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    Good ideas, good creativity, but lackluster effort, and bad writing characterize the BW Saga of the anime.

    It's really not THAT bad a saga that it deserves this kind of flak. It's certainly not the best, though, don't get me wrong.

    Ash's regression from DP? Fair enough. I agree with you guys there: terrible move. However, I think BW brought back a lot of his personality that was sorely missing in the DP series, and if nothing else, that's something I will give it.

    Team Rocket's personality changes...twice? Yeah, I hate those, though. However, serious TRio was admittedly a bit refreshing for a while as opposed to the same old, same old garbage TRio has been doing over and over again. Most of us like comedic TRio, myself included, but after 600+ episodes, those antics begin to grow old very fast. The problem with serious TRio was that their personalities were sucked dry and thus they became somewhat bland and boring. If not for that, I'm sure most of us would've been happier with them.

    Cilan? Dear god, thank you. Poor Brock was being milked dry in the DP series. I can't thank BW enough for saving whatever face Brock still had left and not dragging him along like dead weight like DP did.

    One thing I dislike about Cilan when compared to Brock is that Cilan has no real drive to accomplish whatever goal it is he seeks to accomplish in becoming a Connoisseur. I really regret the writers did not develop Cilan/Dento more. Brock seemed more driven and passionate in whatever goal he sought to accomplish, even in DP, so for that he will always be better than Cilan in that way, IMO.

    Iris? A character who I initially hated but grew to like more and more, IMHO. Actually BW only improved her character as it went along, and you barely hear her (if at all) call Ash a little kid or kodomone anymore, showing she and Ash have developed a mutual respect for each other. I like that she had a fiery personality akin to Misty, and that's something that's been lacking for a while, IMO.

    Overall:

    BWS1- Pretty solid and a good effort. Only things I truly despise are Ash's 4th and 8th gym battles, as well as TRio's flat personalities. 8.5/10
    BWS2- Trainwreck. Only good parts were Meloetta and, to an extent, Dawn's return. The rest is just terrible, especially the disastrous League. 5.5/10
    BWS2: N- Surprisingly very good. A more dark tone returns from AG/DP in this saga, the writing is sharp, and it makes for a great season. 9/10
    BWS2: Da!- Poor. Some fillers are great (Ash and Butterfree; Jirachi; Alexa and Helioptile) while others are just boring and dull. 6/10

    Final Rating for me for BW: 7.25/10
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    While I certainly understand the points people bring up why they think Best Wishes is so bad (I understand them, I don't agree or am not bothered by most of these points), I certainly think this series doesn't deserve as much hate as it has received up until now. I've really enjoyed Best Wishes so far (even filler filled DA) safe for a few arcs or episodes, such as the league. At times this series really had episodes that gave me something to look forward to.

    I think liking or hating Best Wishes has a lot to do with its predecessor series, DP. Most people who really liked DP seem to really hate BW, as BW has done a lot different compared to DP. But I, and perhaps a few others who also disliked DP (I haven't seen many), like most of the things BW has brought, mainly because it did so many things different compared to DP (there are also people who enjoyed both series of course).

    For me BW has been a fresh breeze, with quite a lot of memorable episodes, and that's why, even though it has had its flaws, I give it an 8/10
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomazzo View Post
    BW has done a lot different compared to DP
    I see this argument a lot of times. Nobody hates BW because it did things differently from DP, but because it destroyed the protagonist we love and adore to nothing. Surely, after the amount of amazing development he got in DP, any Ash fan will find this series depressing.

    One would expect a linear progression, not a regression. That's the main reason behind every BW hater, because face it most long time fans on the fandom watch the show for Ash. What's the point when he's being turned into his OS self?

    So yes, "People hate BW because it did things differently from DP" is a bad line of defense used by people who don't care much for Ash and hence find BW better than DP. Because other than Ash, BW is in fact good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dracoflare View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Tomazzo View Post
    BW has done a lot different compared to DP
    I see this argument a lot of times. Nobody hates BW because it did things differently from DP, but because it destroyed the protagonist we love and adore to nothing. Surely, after the amount of amazing development he got in DP, any Ash fan will find this series depressing.

    One would expect a linear progression, not a regression. That's the main reason behind every BW hater, because face it most long time fans on the fandom watch the show for Ash. What's the point when he's being turned into his OS self?

    So yes, "People hate BW because it did things differently from DP" is a bad line of defense used by people who don't care much for Ash and hence find BW better than DP. Because other than Ash, BW is in fact good.
    I'm an Ash fan, do I find BW depressing? No. Actually, most people found Ash to be at his best in DP, thus they are indeed depressed by the changes Ash went through in BW. Seriously, stop acting as if I don't care for Ash and like what you stated is everyone's opinion. I really like Ash, ever since my childhood (I'm a viewer ever since OS too, you know), and I've always liked to see where new paths would take Ash.

    I won't deny Ash regressed in BW compared to DP, but that doesn't mean I, or some other people are bothered by this. I've never been bothered by it, or at least to a minimal level, and actually liked Ash better in BW at times than in DP. Judge me for this, I don't care.

    "One would expect a linear progression, not a regression". Like I said, Ash's regression is one example of what BW did different compared to DP and is also why most people dislike BW, hence the point I made in my earlier post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dracoflare View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Tomazzo View Post
    BW has done a lot different compared to DP
    I see this argument a lot of times. Nobody hates BW because it did things differently from DP, but because it destroyed the protagonist we love and adore to nothing. Surely, after the amount of amazing development he got in DP, any Ash fan will find this series depressing.

    One would expect a linear progression, not a regression. That's the main reason behind every BW hater, because face it most long time fans on the fandom watch the show for Ash. What's the point when he's being turned into his OS self?

    So yes, "People hate BW because it did things differently from DP" is a bad line of defense used by people who don't care much for Ash and hence find BW better than DP. Because other than Ash, BW is in fact good.
    I don't know about you, but DP Ash is definitely not my favorite Ash. True, he was definitely in his smartest and most developed form, but at the same time, he's certainly far from my favorite. OS Ash is the one I knew: a kid who just had big dreams and worked hard, learning from his mistakes. He still managed to keep his personality, while taking himself seriously when he needed to. More importantly, he was emotionally driven and battled more with his heart than his head. To me, AG Ash was still good as well, because he felt like a more intelligent form of Ash, but without losing his childish behavior and antics so much. Not the same, but still great. :)

    Ash isn't even the worst part of BW, IMO. I can understand your sentiments about Ash being regressed, though. I definitely do not like that they regressed him from DP.

    I feel DP is when I lost the Ash I knew, personally. Just didn't seem like the same goofy, driven, and yet kind-hearted kid I knew anymore. I feel he was just too serious, and bland, at times. XD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Kyriaki View Post
    That's just impossible. Generation 5 was all about N and Team Plasma. It doesn't make sense for Team Plasma to take the back seat. They were the main villains in the games, and if we take them out, we have nothing in Unova.
    I think it's very possible. The writers decided to re-invent Team Rocket and make them big villains despite there being no basis for that in the games. Even before the seismic disaster, we know that the writers planned for Team Rocket to have Meowth join the protags culminating in the Nimbasa City two-parter (based on how long it takes to make an episode.) Not conclusive, but again, I just find the fact that Team Rocket had a 2nd big villain episode before Team Plasma was planned to re-appear pretty telling. I think it is safe to say Team Rocket was always planned to be major villains throughout the Unova arc.

    Maybe Team Plasma was supposed to make appearances after their debut. I just don't think the writers planned to have both villainous teams share the spotlight, but that's just me. In terms of Team Plasma getting their own arc, some people like it and find it better than them making recurring appearances (I don't, I'm just saying). Do you write off the whole pre-League saga just because Team Plasma didn't really appear?

    The writers really wanted to do things differently this generation. I'm trying to wonder how Team Plasma's actions in the 2-parter would have even contributed to their goal but I guess there's no way to know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tsutarja View Post
    What happened? Good ideas, bad executions.

    Massive, annoying fandom complaints didn't help its reputation either. Best Wishes! is by no means that bad, it has quite a few great episodes, some amusing characters and can be pretty enjoyable if given a chance. Sadly, it's the threads like these that make it seem a lot worse than it actually is.

    What is this, a thread #13898 on what has Best Wishes done wrong? Seriously.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Kyriaki View Post
    That's just impossible. Generation 5 was all about N and Team Plasma. It doesn't make sense for Team Plasma to take the back seat. They were the main villains in the games, and if we take them out, we have nothing in Unova.
    I don't think it's too outside of the realm of possibilities. They clearly didn't have a problem with using Team Rocket in place of Team Plasma for that Dreamyard confrontation, so I could see them having Team Plasma take a back seat to Team Rocket, especially when they seemed more interested in trying to make Team Rocket look more serious in Unova than doing anything with Team Plasma. Even if the two-parter had aired, I don't think that I could see them appearing throughout the series. I'm leading towards the idea that they did have an arc in mind for Team Plasma and the two-parter could have set it up, but I wouldn't be surprised if an arc for Team Plasma was always in the cards for them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tomazzo
    I think liking or hating Best Wishes has a lot to do with its predecessor series, DP. Most people who really liked DP seem to really hate BW, as BW has done a lot different compared to DP. But I, and perhaps a few others who also disliked DP (I haven't seen many), like most of the things BW has brought, mainly because it did so many things different compared to DP (there are also people who enjoyed both series of course).
    While I do really like DP, that isn't why I don't like BW. I wouldn't even say that I hate it, but rather disappointed and frustrated with it. Most of the new ideas it brings to the table are good, but they suffer from terrible execution and poor characterization. Plus, the battles have been pretty lackluster for the most part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hidden Mew View Post

    Quote Originally Posted by Tomazzo
    I think liking or hating Best Wishes has a lot to do with its predecessor series, DP. Most people who really liked DP seem to really hate BW, as BW has done a lot different compared to DP. But I, and perhaps a few others who also disliked DP (I haven't seen many), like most of the things BW has brought, mainly because it did so many things different compared to DP (there are also people who enjoyed both series of course).
    While I do really like DP, that isn't why I don't like BW. I wouldn't even say that I hate it, but rather disappointed and frustrated with it. Most of the new ideas it brings to the table are good, but they suffer from terrible execution and poor characterization. Plus, the battles have been pretty lackluster for the most part.
    I think some people are bothered by the changes. From what I've seen around here, people dislike Ash's regression, Team Rocket's change in personality, Ash's different method of having a Pokémon team (having more than six), etc., all things BW did different from DP. There are of course different reasons for disliking BW, and you did good in naming some of these reasons. Yes, people also dislike it because of the sloppy writing, or the battles BW has brought. I didn't say all people who like DP dislike BW because it did things different. I guess it's just my look on things.
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    @Ambipom666; @Hidden Mew;


    They went as far as to dedicate an entire arc to N and Team Plasma, something they had never done before. It looks to me they didn't want anything else to outshine Team Plasma, because N was too important to get overshadowed by literally anything. If they didn't care much for Team Plasma, why did they even bother creating Episode N? Like you said, if Team Rocket could always stay the main villains, then there was no reason for N and Team Plasma to appear at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Kyriaki View Post
    They went as far as to dedicate an entire arc to N and Team Plasma, something they had never done before. It looks to me they didn't want anything else to outshine Team Plasma, because N was too important to get overshadowed by literally anything. If they didn't care much for Team Plasma, why did they even bother creating Episode N? Like you said, if Team Rocket could always stay the main villains, then there was no reason for N and Team Plasma to appear at all.
    I wouldn't say that they didn't care about Team Plasma, but that they just didn't have any big plans for them and that they were more interested in making Team Rocket the main villain team of the series. I wouldn't be surprised if they were waiting for the third version games to do something more with them and the two parter was just going to be their introduction, but since those games were changed at the last minute, they altered their plans for that arc because of that change. Plus, they knew that N is a popular character, so that they could use him to give the series a bit more hype after the League. I think that the sequels being a last minute decision affected Team Plasma a lot more than the earthquake did, but given how Team Rocket was the main focus early on in the series, even taking Team Plasma's role in one of their early encounters from B/W and Team Plasma weren't featured in any of the episodes in the next few months after the two-parter was going to air, I wouldn't be surprised if they were always just going to have an arc. It might have been a bit different from what they originally planned, but I still think that whatever changes they dealt with had more with the last minute sequels than anything else.

    Even with Episode N, I don't think that Team Plasma overshadowed anything in the anime. While I enjoyed the arc, Team Plasma themselves were pretty generically evil, aside from Corless and N of course, so I don't think that they shined that much in an arc that heavily featured them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomazzo View Post
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    BW has done a lot different compared to DP
    I see this argument a lot of times. Nobody hates BW because it did things differently from DP, but because it destroyed the protagonist we love and adore to nothing. Surely, after the amount of amazing development he got in DP, any Ash fan will find this series depressing.

    One would expect a linear progression, not a regression. That's the main reason behind every BW hater, because face it most long time fans on the fandom watch the show for Ash. What's the point when he's being turned into his OS self?

    So yes, "People hate BW because it did things differently from DP" is a bad line of defense used by people who don't care much for Ash and hence find BW better than DP. Because other than Ash, BW is in fact good.
    I'm an Ash fan, do I find BW depressing? No. Actually, most people found Ash to be at his best in DP, thus they are indeed depressed by the changes Ash went through in BW. Seriously, stop acting as if I don't care for Ash and like what you stated is everyone's opinion. I really like Ash, ever since my childhood (I'm a viewer ever since OS too, you know), and I've always liked to see where new paths would take Ash.

    I won't deny Ash regressed in BW compared to DP, but that doesn't mean I, or some other people are bothered by this. I've never been bothered by it, or at least to a minimal level, and actually liked Ash better in BW at times than in DP. Judge me for this, I don't care.

    "One would expect a linear progression, not a regression". Like I said, Ash's regression is one example of what BW did different compared to DP and is also why most people dislike BW, hence the point I made in my earlier post.
    I think as someone who regularly posts on Sppf and lurks a lot on Bmgf (that's two big forums?), I think I can vouch for a lot of people agreeing with me. But I won't make such claims and I will speak for myself henceforth.

    Something is wrong with you, if you are willing to see the Character development from previous saga getting destroyed and make Ash turn into a newbie trainer again. I am not sure what kind of fan will love to see all the growth he received in the previous saga vanish and start from the scratch. I have no clue at all.

    So, tell me what is BW's formula? To me, BW's formula is "A fast paced saga like the OS, which doesn't have boring fillers like DP. Entertaining characters who actually have some decent interaction outside talking battle strategies. The main character catching more than just six Pokemon and rotating them.The lack of JJM appearing every episode and make me roll my eyes everytime they blast off.." These are the things DP lacked, and BW gave us. This is what I call BW's formula.

    So, do I hate BW for any of these? No, not at all. Just take a look at my previous post and see if I said anything contradictory.

    You on the other hand say "Ash Regressing is what BW did different." You are supposed to be supporting BW and instead trying to make it sound much worse. No writer in the world will regress his character and call it being different. That's not being different, that's.......oh well, I am not going to say it.
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