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    Am I the only one who's been kind of suspicious about that interview that stated that this was supposed to be the ultimate Pokemon game, including all the stuff from the previous games and such? A compliation? Putting so many new Pokemon in one game?

    I've been wondering if I should be more suspicious about such talk and start to wonder if they're blowing everything out because this will be the last "expansion" for the franchise . . .
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    They ALWAYS say that.

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    The last batch of new Pokemon mainly, but there will surely be new games.

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    As long as they make money, there will still be games.

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    I don't think they'd ever do a new generation without releasing new Pokemon. That's the main draw of the game, not the new Gyms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeta View Post
    I don't think they'd ever do a new generation without releasing new Pokemon. That's the main draw of the game, not the new Gyms.
    But there's also the point that there are too many Pokemon for the 7 year olds to collect now.

    We'll have somewhere around 500+ Pokemon, if they keep going then completing your Pokedex will be an inane and difficult task for the target audience of the games.

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    I actually thought it was looking like the Third Gen would be the last - what with the rush of Legendaries and then the news that they'd be remaking Red and Green (Munchlax, of course, followed soon after that and killed the idea dead).

    I doubt Pokemon will finish with the 4th Gen at all really. Just because they want to make it the Ultimate Pokemon game made so far, doesn't mean they can't improve it in another 3/4 years.

    Pokemon is still a massive cash-cow. Hell, out of all Nintendo's franchises, it's the only one that actually has it's own COMPANY to manage it. Pokemon games sell a million copies each, guaranteed, the anime is still going strong worldwide - and whatever the bitching going on with the online community right now about the dub, will continue to do so - the TCG is technically at it's strongest point as far as Ninty themselves are concerned, even if general sales in no way match the same level as 5, 6 years ago.

    And let's not forget the massive merchandising wagon, including the Trading Figure Game as well as the slew of plushies, gashapon and a whorde of little trinket things, Pokemon themed noodles etc that will never leave Japan

    When you have something that can practically print money every time you bring it out and wave it around, you don't - as a business - give that up. Creativity may suffer as a result (And arguably has, the main Pokemon games are farily justifiably claimed as simply repeating the same formula from Red and Green each and every time) but I think Gamefreak do well to combat this with the constant introduction of new features and upgrades to go with it.

    And if you even look away from the main games, if Pokemon Ranger doesn't end up becoming a constant in the Pokemon World i'd be pretty surprised. I fully expect to see that continue in it's own right. Just as I expect Genius Sonority are likely to continue with the 3D Console versions and their story modes.

    I mean, the 4th Generation of the main games already affects those two seperate side franchises. A Ranger sequel would undoubtedly centre around 4th Gen Pokemon, while Battle Revolution is likely to feature them highly (And probably a fair mix of the past 3 Generations in any possible Snagging/Catching Story Mode with the same boast as Colosseum and XD before it).

    So when the 5th Generation comes along, it does the same and thus has the same massive impact on the franchise - but at the same time opening up new avenues to keep the wheels alongside the main games ticking along.

    Also, I wouldn't necessarily worry about there being too many Pokemon. If anything, The Pokemon World's still pretty small in number compared to other similar franchises who have numbers in the thousands. The fact that we only get a relatively small amount of Pokemon every generation - even if it does sometimes seem that they seem to struggle in originality at some points - gives them the benefit that they can continue introducing more as the years inevitably go on.

    There will be, of course, Pokemon that are pretty similar to those before them (R/S had dozens of them) but they do tend to be established fair enough as their own creature in their own rights. Look at how well Beautifly has handled being little more than a Hoenn Butterfree. The similarities are there for comparison, but in the games and the anime, they tend to be overshadowed by what makes them different. Which is pretty much the strongest asset they have in being able to give us a new slew of Pokemon every 3/4 years as necessary to continue the franchise.

    Just like Mario, Zelda, etc, I expect Pokemon to continue on much the same but still making era-defining games in the process. I mean, you don't see Eiji Aonuma giving up on Twilight Princess just because Shigeru Miyamoto pwn'd the world and defined Zelda for a generation with Ocarina of Time, do you?

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    I think it's too soon to say anything about what's next, if there is anything. I will still love pokemon.
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    no, don't even say it! I hope it goes up to 6 or 7, before capping off on the monsters (or max off at 1000-1500... though that feels over kill, it'd add lots of viraity).

    Seriously though I at least want to see gen 5-7 with mock places to cover China, Korea, India, The Americas, and Europe (maybe even parts of africa)

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    Pokemon is also one of Nintendo's Youngest Franchises, only like Pikmin and Animal Crossing beat it.

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    That's because most of Nintendo's francises are digital 'fogies ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by King of the Internet View Post
    Pokemon is also one of Nintendo's Youngest Franchises, only like Pikmin and Animal Crossing beat it.
    Pokemon only followed (relatively) hot on the heels of Earthbound and before that F-Zero. It's not exactly that young. In fact, in 10 years, it's managed to acheive more than both of those franchises and Metroid combined. I'd say undoubtedly there's another 10 years in Pokemon easily, and there's no real reason they couldn't continue the franchise long after that.

    (Sonic, incedentally, is only celebrating his 15th Anniversary this year - making it only 5 years older than Pokemon is...)

    Also, Nintendo's franchises after 1995 are Eternal Dark, Super Smash Brothers, Animal Crossing, Pikmin, and Project H.A.M.M.E.R and Disaster: Day of Crisis are both, according to Nintendo, new franchises to add to the list. The reason for there being so few new IP following Pokemon is generally down to the fact that the N64 and Gamecube more or less lived off sequels or new franchise installments as opposed to brand new Franchise IPs.

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    Here's what I think:

    After this generation, there will be a bit of a "break" for the franchise. After a few spin-offs, they'll stop creating games for a while. Then, they'll come back and all will be yada yada.
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    And if you even look away from the main games, if Pokemon Ranger doesn't end up becoming a constant in the Pokemon World i'd be pretty surprised. I fully expect to see that continue in it's own right.
    I'm skeptical about Pokemon Ranger. From all accounts, it sounds like a dumbed down combination of both Zelda and Pokemon, with most of what made either franchise so great removed. Your Pokemon are Zelda-style adventure items that can only be used once and battles are limited to drawing circles. It doesn't seem like an idea with a lot of depth to me.
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    You know, if Megaman can have like 30 games over 20 years with simmilar mechnaincs.....who says Pokemon can't?

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