Thread: Suggestions, ideas, and problems

Originally Posted by Roronoa Zorua

*HAND RAISE*

Would it be impossible to use a hide/show feature on the templates of the move pages for the pogeys that learn said move?

Because, um...

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Thunderbolt_%28move%29

...is huge (among others).

People hate the hider. Besides, it's a list, that's what it's supposed to do.

Originally Posted by pikmin

I think it's fine how it is, it just takes a second to check the pre-evolution's page.


but if your volenteering to make a chart for all pokémon, I'm cool with that.

NOPE, NOT VOLUNTEERING. Nor will it be popped into the mainspace before we get further details about Gen V's moves' statuses...

Originally Posted by TTEchidna

People hate the hider. Besides, it's a list, that's what it's supposed to do.

Then why do we still hide the trainer tables? =P Double standard.

You hide the item boxes, trainer tables, the VA TABLE (which is ridiculous), and the demonstrations of those moves learned in media outside the games itself. All of which are shorter than most of the move tables on various move pages.

But you won't hide something that probably needs to be hidden in consideration that there's a LOT of information you're unwantingly coasting through.

Thaaaat's why the table of contents is there.

We could possibly go back to the multi-column thing we had waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay back when, but that was run by the CSS3 columns template, which runs the normal effectiveness part of the type effectiveness table, so it'd be the same result if you weren't using Firefox, I guess. Or would be cut off in Chrome or some shit.

I dunno. I'll look into new possibilities as Gen V approaches.

Originally Posted by TTEchidna

Thaaaat's why the table of contents is there.

*facepalm*

ToC on trainer pages, ToC on characters with VAs, ToC on those very move pages that have anime and manga depictions of the moves. Those things? Still hidden on pages with a ToC.

Hidden:
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Thunderbolt_%28move%29#In_the_anime

Hidden:
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Thunderbolt_%28move%29#In_the_manga

Not hidden:
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Thunderbolt_%28move%29#By_TM24_3

What is the real point of hiding anything if it's not to hide shit that's too huge or encumbering? Why is anything hidden then?

And if people hate it, why hasn't there been movements to remove all instances of it?

Believe me, if we hide ONE sectioned instance of the damn moves, we hide them all.

Thunderbolt's learnable by 58983493 Pokémon in like eight different ways. Aeroblast is learnable by one Pokémon in one way.

...And? That's basically what I was getting at from the beginning: hide/show the move list template as a whole, because there are a lot more moves that are learned by EVERY POGEY except Magikarp than there are moves that are learned by only one-five pogeys, and they go on for three or more generations. Thunderbolt was just the very handy example. I could pull plenty more move pages if the servers weren't making me cry.

With GenV on top of us, Tbolt's going to get a looooot longer (among other pages).

...Doing it the way the pogeys have /their/ move lists would be nice too, as an alternate:

Thunderbolt (move)/Gen I
Thunderbolt (move)/Gen II
Thunderbolt (move)/Gen III
Thunderbolt (move)/Gen IV

Something to reduce the clutter on the move lists that are huge.

Originally Posted by Roronoa Zorua

...Doing it the way the pogeys have /their/ move lists would be nice too, as an alternate:

Thunderbolt (move)/Gen I
Thunderbolt (move)/Gen II
Thunderbolt (move)/Gen III
Thunderbolt (move)/Gen IV

I like this. I also don't understand why the VA boxes are collapsed. They look stupid collapsed.

Originally Posted by Roronoa Zorua

Something to reduce the clutter on the move lists that are huge.

It's either all or none. Consistency!

Originally Posted by TTEchidna

It's either all or none. Consistency!

Why does splitting the pages by their size mean all pages have to be split as well?

I don't see us splitting off the the GLs anime entries when we got around to splitting Brock and Misty's anime selves from their universal pages. Why? Because it's not necessary to split off the other GLs into separate pages, because those anime selves aren't doubling or tripling the size of the page they're already on.

Consistency! Why are you so against a form of organization that makes these pages easier to access on those with the slower connections (those sprites? Not helpful! Pretty, but not helpful in the loading process)? We did it with the pogey move-sets, and not just because it helped the main article as a whole. Never mind that with the servers being touchy (oh look, BP lockdown), loading is an issue no matter sort of connection you're on.

But unlike the other Gym Leaders, Brock and Misty are also main characters, and the main characters get split according to media.

For example: May (game), May (anime), Sapphire (adventures) or Dawn (game), Dawn (anime), Platinum (adventures). Since they are only more than Gym Leaders in the anime, there is no need to split out the rest of their articles, since that would be inconsistent with the Gym Leaders.

Yay watch as the echidna develops yet another template revamp that doesn't alter any parameters. Oh boy. Let the complaints roll in about "WAH OUR BROWSER CAN'T USE CSS3 COLUMNSSSSSSS". There was a time to complain, and that was during the FIVE YEARS we were using them in the type effectiveness.

Originally Posted by TTEchidna

Yay watch as the echidna develops yet another template revamp that doesn't alter any parameters. Oh boy. Let the complaints roll in about "WAH OUR BROWSER CAN'T USE CSS3 COLUMNSSSSSSS". There was a time to complain, and that was during the FIVE YEARS we were using them in the type effectiveness.

Looks pretty good, except I don't like how Kangaskhan and Regigias' names are circled...

Those look awesome, except that the Normal types are being circled, like insomniac said. (Finally your name is ASCII-friendly!)

ONE F-ING COLUMN. LOL.

They're being circled because of the little note at the bottom. It's the STAB marker in addition to boldness, just in case someone comes along and says "I CAN'T READ WHITE TEXT".

Originally Posted by TTEchidna

They're being circled because of the little note at the bottom. It's the STAB marker in addition to boldness, just in case someone comes along and says "I CAN'T READ WHITE TEXT".

It looks awkward anyway. We had only bold before and I think it worked well, so why need to overhighlight it?