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    @Isamu Akai; @Werdnae;
    The idea was seems adapted into Yellow from Ash and Pikachu's forming a bond of friendship, and there was no official reference to happiness either. It was referenced more as friendship by the original friendship rater, with terms like "happy" and "trust" being used as a descriptor. Seeming happy after a hair cut is just that, you got a nice hair cut, and as such, feel happy. However, actual ratings of the value seem to reference friendship more.

    http://www.psypokes.com/gsc/happiness.php

    This gives the happiness quotes of the first raters. If you look at each word in isolation, you see happiness mentioned more but it does not explain why the concept is not mentioned in all phrases. However, looking at the context as a whole, all the sentences describe the evolution of a relationship from stranger to friend. At it's highest value, happiness is only incidental to the closing phrase "It must love you a lot!", which is the polar opposite of the phrase for the lowest value "It doesn't seem to like you at all. It looks mean." Note how this final sentence says it looks mean, an emotion, despite its opposite valence, is on a completely different dimension than happiness (one can simultaneously be mean and happy). The following terms demonstrate how this relationship unfolds. It goes from "not liking" to not being used to the trainer, to trusting, and in the end, loving. The concept of happiness does not go through this evolution across terminology. Though, I do wonder what being cute has to do with anything than being uninformative midpoint (in terms of the midpoint value being located within this phrasing).

    So yeah, as far as I am concerned, its always been a friendship value confounded with the term happiness. You can say the term happiness makes more sense based on some anecdote, but when you look at the actual terminology used across multiple raters, the concept measured is the relationship between humans and Pokemon (or in simpler terms, the friendship between them). Really, when you look at the major theme in the franchise (i.e., friendship) one begins to wonder why the term happiness persisted for so long other than nobody raising the point earlier.

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    Apologies for the awful, awful commentary but: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=uoo4XY2824Q#t=434s

    "You should just keep it with you. That should make it happy! You can talk to it and see how it feels about you."

    So happiness was mentioned once, but this was in reference to keeping Pikachu outside of its Pokéball. The last sentence however, is the one of interest as it directly refers to the act of checking Pikachu's "happiness". It didn't say that you should talk to it to see how happy it is, but instead, to see how it feels about the PC. This last part is exactly what all the Friendship Raters and Dr. Footsteps do, examine how the Pokemon feel about their trainer.
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    In addition to that above, I noticed while I was changing the links that Pokemon Pikachu 2 had it as [[happiness|friendship]], suggesting that the term actually used in that is "friendship". Meaning that it would be the official term as far back as generation II.

    Certainly, as I was changing the links, most of them actually made more sense as friendship than happiness. Iris and Drayden, when acting as move tutors teaching Draco Meteor both refer to it as friendship. The rater in Icirrus City will tell you "How friendly it is". Add Pokedex 3D's evolution information ("Level up with high friendship"), and it's clear that in Generation V it's absolutely friendship.

    When I initially moved it, I was thinking that this was the new official term, and that they had maybe used happiness before (We use the most recent official names. See: Bell Tower/Tin Tower.) But the more links I changed, the more I started to realise that happiness was never an official term, and simply a fan-made term and that while official uses often avoided using a specific term, when they did use one it was always friendship.

    That said, "Happiness" still redirects to the article. The intro of the article mentions that it is often referred to by fans as "happiness". Official terms have priority over even near-universal fan terms, but fan terms this popular must be noted like this one is.
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    All the Prima guidebooks I have use "Friendship", and mention increasing the bond with your Pokémon. There are also the descriptions for the Soothe Bell, Luxury Ball and Friend Ball, as well as Return and Frustration, that all mention friendship or being friendly.
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    Alright, I now see that 'friendship' has been used quite a few times by now. That said, I don't mind the move too much now.


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    its one of those major changes that we will just have to get used to.
    im pretty surprised we didnt notice it for so long.

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    Are there any glitches for FireRed and LeafGreen? I havnt seen a Bulbpeadia page on those games yet - making a glitch page on this topic would be interesting.

    Also running a tournament page where the winner gets a rare pokemon, or a page where people can put their FC's up and request battles

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    Quote Originally Posted by sparth3103 View Post
    Are there any glitches for FireRed and LeafGreen? I havnt seen a Bulbpeadia page on those games yet - making a glitch page on this topic would be interesting.

    Also running a tournament page where the winner gets a rare pokemon, or a page where people can put their FC's up and request battles
    There are some glitches for FRLG, though they're mainly ones that only happen by using cheating devices. And Bulbapedia does have a page. It would have helped if you had looked first before asking... List of glitches in Generation III - Bulbapedia, the community-driven Pokémon encyclopedia

    In regards to the tournament idea, I'd rather not. Bulbapedia is an encyclopedia, not a tournament host...


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    Quote Originally Posted by sparth3103 View Post
    Are there any glitches for FireRed and LeafGreen? I havnt seen a Bulbpeadia page on those games yet - making a glitch page on this topic would be interesting.
    As Isamu Akai mentioned, List of glitches in Generation III has all of the glitches in FireRed and LeafGreen listed.

    Also running a tournament page where the winner gets a rare pokemon, or a page where people can put their FC's up and request battles
    That is the purpose of the forums (so what you're using right now). For requesting battles, see the Bulbagarden Battle Center. That is also where tournaments are run from. However, I don't believe there are often prizes of rare Pokémon.

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    I'm not quite so sure, but according to Serebii & Psypokes, I think that the Safari Zone Blocks in HGSS has a maximum of x7 levels instead of just x4 or quadruple. Though I'm aware that the HGSS Safari Zone Page is still incomplete, but that's one of my suggestions.

    I'm also a bit confused about Serebii or Psypokes' results on the Safari encounters. For example, it says in Bulbapedia that Murkrow will be found if you have at least 5 Forest Block values, at the Swamp area...
    But in Serebii (here), it says either Krabby or Hypno, but I can't find Murkrow.
    Hmm, is Serebii also unfinished too?
    Or maybe one of them is only found on Day or Night?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waitress Tsubame View Post
    I'm not quite so sure, but according to Serebii & Psypokes, I think that the Safari Zone Blocks in HGSS has a maximum of x7 levels instead of just x4 or quadruple. Though I'm aware that the HGSS Safari Zone Page is still incomplete, but that's one of my suggestions.

    I'm also a bit confused about Serebii or Psypokes' results on the Safari encounters. For example, it says in Bulbapedia that Murkrow will be found if you have at least 5 Forest Block values, at the Swamp area...
    But in Serebii (here), it says either Krabby or Hypno, but I can't find Murkrow.
    Hmm, is Serebii also unfinished too?
    Or maybe one of them is only found on Day or Night?
    According to our page, Murkrow is not found at night. I just checked in my SS, and Murkrow is there in the morning.

    I was also able to find Bagon with just five forest blocks and eight plains blocks, meaning that you're right - the upgrades do go up to at least x7.
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    Perhaps this really isn't the best place to ask, but I've noticed these sprite rips at a sprite ripping site from some sort of Pokemon game for the DS. But I cannot tell if it's some sort of official game or a hack... If it were official, I guess I would have expected to see an article on the wiki by now. But still, I wonder.

    I can't post a link to the site with the sprites ripped, since that would be against forum rules, but it's something that's being called "Pokemon Card Game Asobikata DS". Can anyone confirm just what this thing is? And if it is official, does Bulbapedia actually have something on it?


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    That's Pokémon Card Game: How to Play DS. Apart from it's existence and release in a TCG set, we really have no information about it.

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    Ah, guess I wasn't able to locate it because there was no redirects... Would anyone mind if I made a redirect using the title I mentioned?


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    Done

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    How come some of the PM articles, mainly Isamu Akai's Clefairy and so on, start the article off with "Clefairy" instead of "Isamu Akai's Clefairy"? I looked at other manga Pokemon articles, such as Hareta's Empoleon, and saw that it started with "Hareta's Empoleon" instead of just "Empoleon". Was this intentional?


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