Thread: Orre - Main Series? Or Side Game?

Okay, this has been bugging me for a while.

For some reason, Orre is listed under the Main Series category in the Region box that appears in all articles concerning region or the Pokemon World or whatever.

I say Orre should be under the Side Game category because Orre
- does not have a regular storyline like Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, Sinnoh, and Unova.
- lacks routes in between towns and cities.
- lacks a Pokemon League. No gym leaders, etc.
- Pokemon are not caught in the same way as in the other Main series region

This list can go on and on.

I'm puzzled why Orre is listed under the Main series. Do you guys agree with me and believe Orre should be changed to Side games?

If not, why?

Or, none of them. Why, to what else?

Orre has two games that are located in it with related storylines.

Orre is listed as a main series game because it is the same type of RPG as the main series. The side games all have completely different mechanics. The orre games do not.

Furthermore, the Orre games are capable of directly trading with the handheld games. The other games that interact with the main series handhelds in any way do not do this.

I agree with Gummy Spider. Just because they have had two games shouldn't really count. All the main series hand held games are well known and some feature over numerous and are the flagship games of that generation. They deserve the title, while most people haven't even heard of Colesseum. I hadn;t even heard of it until I found Bulbapedia, and I don't know anyone that has played it

Originally Posted by Werdnae

Orre is listed as a main series game because it is the same type of RPG as the main series. The side games all have completely different mechanics. The orre games do not.

So, only for that one reason. Orre is a main series region?... That's not logical thinking. It has many traits that do not share with the actual main series regions.

Originally Posted by Glitchipedia

Furthermore, the Orre games are capable of directly trading with the handheld games. The other games that interact with the main series handhelds in any way do not do this.

The trade is special. You are required to have some sort of special trading wire (correct me if I'm wrong) to connect the GameBoy and GameCube.

Originally Posted by AceTrainer14

I agree with Gummy Spider. Just because they have had two games shouldn't really count. All the main series hand held games are well known and some feature over numerous and are the flagship games of that generation. They deserve the title, while most people haven't even heard of Colesseum. I hadn;t even heard of it until I found Bulbapedia, and I don't know anyone that has played it

Exactly.

Also, Orre has never been mentioned ONCE in the main series games and vice versa.

Originally Posted by Gummy Spider

The trade is special. You are required to have some sort of special trading wire (correct me if I'm wrong) to connect the GameBoy and GameCube.

So you're saying it's a side game because it uses different hardware? I hardly think it matters, since the hardware is compatible regardless.

Originally Posted by Gummy Spider

Also, Orre has never been mentioned ONCE in the main series games and vice versa.

Through the link battle feature (another main series staple), Brendan, May, Red and Leaf can all appear in Orre.

Which brings me to my next point. The Stadium games and Battle Revolution, despite acting solely as a peripheral for 3-D battling (plus minigames in the Stadium series), are still considered main series titles because of the way they interact with the handhelds. Stripped of the RPG mode, Colosseum/XD serve exactly the same purpose.

Furthermore, the Stadium series also required special hardware in the form of the N64 Transfer Pak, yet this does not affect its status.

Main series = Handheld RPGs

Orre, obviously, is not a handheld RPG. I dislike the idea that we would count something as a main series game simply because it can interact directly with the handhelds. There are a variety of criteria that the handhelds meet that Orre does not, both gameplay-related and storyline-related.

Originally Posted by Politoed666

Main series = Handheld RPGs

Orre, obviously, is not a handheld RPG. I dislike the idea that we would count something as a main series game simply because it can interact directly with the handhelds.

I dislike the idea that we shouldn't count something as a main series game simply because it isn't a handheld game.

Originally Posted by Politoed666

There are a variety of criteria that the handhelds meet that Orre does not, both gameplay-related and storyline-related.

Orre meets many of these 'criteria' better than the Stadium games. In addition, even if you dislike it, the fact that I can trade my Pokémon from Orre to the handheld games is THE most important criteria that a game must fulfill in order to be considered part of the Main series.

Originally Posted by Tempest370

the fact that I can trade my Pokémon from Orre to the handheld games is THE most important criteria that a game must fulfill in order to be considered part of the Main series.

And don't forget that you can trade stuff back to Orre. That's a fairly significant detail, too.

I voted wrong because you phrased your poll question really awkwardly.

As someone who played both games and created the Orre pages, I have to say that I personally still consider the games side games - for the simple reason that A) they were developed by a team outside of GameFreak and B) nothing about the events of either game are ever mentioned in any of GameFreak's games. Of course, I also consider both Stadium games Side Games as well.

Originally Posted by Gummy Spider

The trade is special. You are required to have some sort of special trading wire (correct me if I'm wrong) to connect the GameBoy and GameCube.

Well before the DS, you needed "some sort of special trading wire" *cough link cable cough* to trade between ANY games.

I think it should be it's own class because it has elements from both catigories but not enough to be in one or the other, and i don't think it can be both can it?

Originally Posted by Zeta

I voted wrong because you phrased your poll question really awkwardly.

As someone who played both games and created the Orre pages, I have to say that I personally still consider the games side games - for the simple reason that A) they were developed by a team outside of GameFreak

Before GenIV the Orre games were the only way how to get many of the missing Johto Pokémon. It was Gamefreak that decided which Pokémon will be catchable in Hoenn and which will be in Orre and the only reason why the Orre games were made by Genius Sonority was that Gamefreak had no experience with making fully 3D console games.

Originally Posted by Zeta

and B) nothing about the events of either game are ever mentioned in any of GameFreak's games.

Why should it matter? If GenVI will take place in a more faraway region than Unova with no-one referencing the previous games, will you not consider them Main series?

Honestly, I don't consider any of the console games to be true mainseries games. The reason? They're not developed by Game Freak. Simple as that. Shouldn't all mainseries games be developed by the original company that developed the first games in the series?