Thread: S15 EP41 "Iris and the Rogue Dragonite!"

I finally got a chance to see this episode and I loved it, even in English. I don't quite understand why Iris' line about there being no bad Dragon-types has everyone so pressed. :/ Honestly, I just don't quite understand why it's being made out to be such a big deal, people have to remember Iris is a little girl. I'm sure at some points in our lives we've come across young children who will defend something to the end and claim that there's no way this happened or there's no way this person would do this. Even then the show has driven home the point multiple times that there's no such thing as an evil or bad Pokemon. For example

the Cryogonal only did what they did in the Team Eevee episode to save their friend,

Togepi was more mischievous than anything else, Litwick were more so sadistic and Ash, Iris, Team Rocket, and Cilan did invade their mansion, Hunter J's Salamence was being commanded by J herself, the Hydreigon at the beginning of the episode only attacked Dragonite because Dragonite most likely started it, and Dragonite only starts fights with tough opponents because he has a strong battle spirit. Dragonite even, while battling, protected the wild Pidove flock that were fleeing the scene between the two Dragon titans. When it comes to Dragonite, I honestly got Excadrill vibes this episode, tough guys who are soft on the inside.

Dragonite was definitely ornery this episode and that's mainly due to it being paranoid of anyone that came near, it's hard to trust anyone when you've been injured, attacked by Magnemite, than you see someone coming and it's easy to assume the worst and that explains Dragonite's fits in a way. Dragonite attacking the Magnemite, Hydreigon, and almost roasting Iris was indeed due to lingering paranoia from its previous encounters with other Pokemon and humans this episode. Dollars to doughnuts on Dragonite hurting someone in this episode, I knew there was no way Dragonite would actually BBQ Iris or any other human this episode because the writers aren't going to show a human-being being viciously hurt by a Pokemon in a serious manner like that in this show. I liked how Ash and Dawn used their Water-type mascots to help out, not to mention that small discussion on what it means to be a Dragon Master was a nice moment of talk between the three, Cilan managing to find the camera which was the ultimate resolution of the episode was cool. It also made reminded me Cilan can be a detective without going all sparkly and such, just like he managed to find Marigold's Foongus back in the Ricard episode. Meloetta calming down Dragonite was awesome too, mainly because it was good to see her using her soothing song to chill out an aggressive Pokemon.

I liked the opening scene where we see Dawn and Iris talking and we see how their personalities contrast with Dawn caring more about her hair and Iris not really give to much support toward her looks in the same vain, especially since the instrumental version of "By Your Side~Hikari's Theme" was playing. Bonus points on Dragonite keeping its voice, it made sense it would though since this a "Riolu-ish" like situation. Where the Pokemon doesn't really say its name and its talking is more so growls and barks like in the game so there's no point in replacing its voice, I think the last time we got a Riolu-ish situation was back with Luke's Zorua which would bark like a puppy rather than say her name. That's great because I really like Dragonite's vicious voice. The brawl between Hydreigon and Dragonite in the beginning of the episode was great, we got to see some strong Dragons going at it like that and the clash between Dragon Breath and Flamethrower was indeed some grade-A animation.

I'm not surprised Iris jumped at the chance to weigh in on the issue of Dragonite attacking the power plant. I thought the scene where Iris blocks the path between Dragonite and those powerful Pokemon and saying her previous line about Dragon-types not being bad was a pretty heavy moment. Jenny didn't seem as much effected by Iris saying that, more so effected by the fact she's so passionate about Dragon-types and Dragonite even got wide-eyed at her saying that. It kinda reminded me of the Deino episode back in BW where the village Elder calmed down that enraged Druddigon, showing it wasn't a bad Pokemon when treated with a little TLC. I actually loved that Iris announced that, because even though it was a pretty childish thing to say since its a blind-defense in itself, Iris stood up not only for Dragonite but every Dragon in the world. Like I've said previous times before, I love that Dragonite. Its grumpy face is such a contrast from the norm and he was conflicted about wanting to stay with Iris, of course it also seems to be pretty bad about expressing its emotions since it let out a loud roar when asked.

Regardless, the Dragon Master in Iris wanted to help Dragonite and she did what any other main character in this show would do. This episode just proved how much Iris cares for Dragons. I may not be too happy about the impending fate of

Mamoswine in the World Tournament Junior Cup

, but, hey, that just can't be helped. Great episode for sure and Iris' line at the end of the episode about "catching Dragonite by the good faith of Dragons" being dubbed as "Catching a Dragonite is a dream come true!" was cute in itself and I'm glad the capture music was left untouched and the VA did a good job at the "Deal, go Poke Ball!" scene as well.

Just a reminder here to please stay focus on this specific episode. Bringing up some points about future episodes isn't too problematic as long as this episode is still the major focus of your post. If you want to talk about Dragonite and how it affects Iris' story in more detail, then please post it in this thread: Do you think the writers are doing enough with Iris? Complaints about BW as a whole should also be taken to the Pokemon League section as well. Thank you.

That was way too easy, Iris. I would've liked to have seen you battle Dragonite with Excadrill first. But oh well. What's done is done. I can't wait to see more of the big guy.

Dragonite is a interesting character. A pokemon that fights with anything that he sees wants to follow Iris in her journey. To note, this is the first pseudo-legendary that the main cast had and it's really fitting for her role as a Champion.

One of the things of this episode were that I thought (before the Jp. airing) that Cilan won't be in the big scenes of this episode because the preview only shows Ash, Iris aand Dawn. Also this episode Iris has a idea that any Dragon pokemon is bad, when we know that this Hydreigon will be bad making that issue a complete mystery.

And for the hair-scene, two things: One, I wonder what Iris would do if her were going to take part in a Contest and needs to browse her hair; and two, the hair reference is agood reference o DP when Dawn doesn't browse her hair very well.

And to the Junior Cup to see the next episode where:

Bianca and Stephan won't participate, Trip will have Serperior, Cynthia will get a exhibition match and Iris' new Dragonite will fight Georgia but Drasgonite doesn't obey Iris.

And I recommend liking her new Dragonite because:

In the Junior Cup, Dragonite is getting 3 episodes of focus, VS Georgia, VS Dawn and VS Ash. And if you think that his new Dragonite is getting too much screentime here, this is the only showcase of Dragonite. Because in the Team Rocket's farewell!? episode Dragonite will re-appear having a important role. From now until Drayden, expect a lot of Iris episodes, many of them with his new machine, Dragonite.

Originally Posted by NoodleChefKyle

That was way too easy, Iris. I would've liked to have seen you battle Dragonite with Excadrill first. But oh well. What's done is done. I can't wait to see more of the big guy.

Yeah excadrill would have been murdered.

Originally Posted by pokemonsquared

Originally Posted by NoodleChefKyle

That was way too easy, Iris. I would've liked to have seen you battle Dragonite with Excadrill first. But oh well. What's done is done. I can't wait to see more of the big guy.

Yeah excadrill would have been murdered.

I would have loved a battle between Excadrill and Dragonite, I think Excadrill would have won by a small margin with Drill Run despite Dragonite's Flying-type typing, it makes sense Excadrill would launch itself in the air and smash Dragonite. Of course Ice Beam(Burgundy's Dewott :P) and Thunder Punch wouldn't have been of too much help. Dragon Rush would be resisted and Flamethrower would have been a thorn in his side. Iris can always rely on her trusty Dragon Buster, Excadrill :P Now if Iris started using Excadrill the right way a.k.a under Sandstorm the win surely would have been by a nice margin. Due to plot Excadrill would have won anyway though. There needs to be a tsundere showdown between Dragonite and Excadrill

Does anyone think that Dragonite would of been better off with Ash considering he has much more experience with training stronger Pokemon, I know Iris is a Dragon Master in training but considering how much Ash could achieve with his Charizard imagine his potential if he had Dragonite! I did like this episode and it's all Because of Dragonite, he's my favorite Dragon type!

Also there are some bad Dragon types, Pokemon hunter Jay used to use a Salamence which wasn't exactly doing good deeds! But I guess you could say it was Jay that was bad and Salamemce was just doing what its trainer told it to do!

I was neither bothered with the "no bad dragon-types" line. In fact it remembered me Gardenias "no bad grass-type trainers" line and tried to imagine how would those two react facing some kind of both dragon and grass type specialist villain.

I have also expected that dragonite would want a battle with Iris before it gets caught, but I understand, why it didn´t happen. She would never catch it that way.
(And even if I quite like Meloetta, I didn´t like her its, it is genderless! deux ex machina role in this episode).

Nicely dubbed episode here. Good thing they kept Dragonite's voice, and Hydreigon's dub voice sound as badass as the original, which is really good and unsual for TPCi's dub.

Watching these dubbed episodes really helps to understand sometimes what the hell is going on. Before seeing the dub I din't know those few things about Dragonite's past (that it's a local Pokémon who can cause some serious trouble).

I don't get all this complaining about Iris in this episode. I can understand really well that she don't wanna believe anything bad about dragons. She's just a kid.