What an awful, awful episode.
Or, another way to look at it: it shows that Jessie, James, and Meowth have forgotten how to make robots. They didn't need to be given any of their mechas before Black and White started, but now, it seems like they can't make a move without headquarters holding their hands every step of the way. What happened to the Rocket trio that was resourceful enough to make their own mechas and traps and whatnot? Why does the "competent" Rocket trio need to be spoonfed every piece of technology they use in the Unova region?Originally Posted by SuperTrainStationH
Also, Dr. Seger seems to be on about the same level as Dr. Namba. His involement, by itself, doesn't necessarily mean that Team Rocket as a whole is moving forward.
Are you still going on about that? Even after this thread?Originally Posted by PTOldMan
Let me just quote myself:
And as Team Rocket stated, there were too many lip flaps for James to say "Universe" the way Kojirou did.Originally Posted by me
Except...that's exactly what happened in this episode. If the Black and White Rocket trio hadn't been in this episode, the whole thing would have been a lot more entertaining. The scheme in this episode was no better than the hundreds of other schemes they've had in the past.Originally Posted by Moe
I noticed one thing that bothered me in the episode, and I'm asking if anyone else thought about it too. When the Roggenrola Cannon was fired (I guess it was a collective Flash Cannon) how is it that Ash's future Roggenrola was able to stop it with just one of his Flash Cannons. It seems like he would have been blown away by that huge blast instead of intercepting it and stopping it in the middle. Does that just mean that that particular Roggenrola is powerful, or that the Roggenrola Cannon is just overrated?
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I wonder what those people who have no knowledge of the Japanese motto think of that. I suppose they think that Jessie and James are stopping in the middle of their sentences in a place where no such pause should exist... just because?
Anyone with ears and a bit of common sense will understand clearly that there is something wrong with the motto. It's true that translators change things to make them flow better in their language, but that's exactly what didn't happen with the motto.
Roggenrola - the powerful core. The pre-BW TR appearances were,
- In nearly every single episode, making them extremely repetitive in a short space of time and even when the goal was to catch a specific other Pokemon, it always fell back to the boring capture Pikachu plot
- The contraptions made no real sense, before BW they would have tried to capture the Roggenrola inside a giant-mecha-Roggenrola, this one provides actual context for them using it, rather than for its own sake
- And the captures really showed no real thought - a 'boss fantasy' justification vs TR being specifically advantaged with having made the capture is a clear win for BW
Sure, they could add more back in to the TR personality, Meowth is especially graining with his serious voice, but now that TR aren't being relied on as comic relief in each episode their plots are better developed and I don't find myself skipping them as I do when replaying many older episodes.
The Cilan freakout should have been funnier.
I like that excepting the machine they used in the Cottonee episode, their the TRio's robots and weaponry actually serve some purpose to further a mission or experiment which would advance Team Rocket as a whole, or serves a general purpose, such as a hovercraft or a freighter for transporting captured Pokémon.
It wasn't really practical to me for see them designing and scratch-building a giant, easily defeated, Pokémon-shaped (sometimes not) mecha on a whim to capture very specific pokémon-of-the-day + protag's pokemon on a whim and think their superiors would approve of it.
I didn't really like this episode, and I'm not too fond of whatever Satoshi caught (Read my sig quote). It got no development and I think that until it eventually evolves, it will stay a soulless asshole-faced Pokémon.
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Well, Dogasu is pissed as always because Team Rocket don't rhyme in every sentence they say or create dumb mechas. I've started watching from the original series and Team Rocket entertained me the most in 'Scare at the Litwick Mansion!'. I watch it for the fillers, you watch it for minute made up jokes by TR. What I found amusing was when TR locked them in the cave. Iris was all like: “LOL, I'll just use my Excadrill!”. I'll admit I got bored halfway with the English dub because the video was low quality.
Garrison was generic but we can't expect every character we meet act abnormal or have a deep background. He's your normal guy.
The mech was pure genius. Looked dumb when the attack was equal to a normal Roggenrola. Battling was just some tackles but the smooth animation with the sun makes up for it.
I have to give this an IMPRESSIVE. Needed WAY more comedy. Oshawott failing isn't enough. The dub can crap on itself for all I care. Sarah wowed me with her voice acting on the Palpitoad and Stunfisk episode and it reverted back to same old “Voice acting while smoking” in Dragon Buster. Girl can sing but she can't act. What's the point of being able to sing if you can't act out?
Oh, and who said that this was a filler episode needs to have his thoughts rearranged. Why is it with if it's filler it sucks? Just because an evolution or capture didn't happen doesn't mean it's bland.
Last edited by HumanDawn; 25th September 2011 at 05:53 PM.
Well this episode isn't a filler (Satoshi got a Pokémon) from my POV, but I've seen fillers better than this episode IMHO.
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And anyone with eyes and common sense knows that the animation for the motto changes with every episode and that the lip flaps, therefore, change as well. There is zero consistency in the number of mouthflaps given to the dubbers in the motto, so they can't just write one "perfect" version of the motto and copy and paste it into every episode. TPCI can hardly be blamed for the Japanese animators' inconsistencies.Originally Posted by PTOldMan
How was the plot in this episode any different?Originally Posted by Moe
Also no, their old schemes didn't "always fall back to the boring capture Pikachu plot." With a few exceptions, Pikachu hasn't really been their main focus since Jouto.
Their contraption in this episode was a beehive looking thing that fires off a beam of energy that can be blocked by a single pokemon. It was also be defeated by the very pokemon it was designed to capture in the first place. This is better than their old stuff...how?- The contraptions made no real sense, before BW they would have tried to capture the Roggenrola inside a giant-mecha-Roggenrola, this one provides actual context for them using it, rather than for its own sake
Team Rocket's goal is to capture pokemon. Having mechas that do that very thing is something they've been doing since the very beginning.Originally Posted by SuperTrainStationH
Yes, everyone knows how much I love Team Rocket's rhyming in Diamond & Pearl and how I only watch the show for their jokes. You sure nailed it!Originally Posted by Human
A decent episode!
When I learned that the plot would be revolving around Roggenrolla, I was happy already because I also caught one with Adamant nature in Pokemon Black. Now my Gigalith has become an indispensable part of my team because it mopped the floor with Alder's "strongest" Pokemon Volcarona (Take that, Alder...) What I want to say is that I've always had sympathy for the Roggenrolla-family and seeing it finally appear in the Anime was a great thing. But undoubtedly the best thing about this week's ep is that poor Ash has at least one really good and apparently powerful Pokemon now. It was about time!
As for the rest of the episode: Who else thinks that Ash's battle performance was once again pretty lousy? Although using two of his rather strong Pokemon, he completely failed to catch Roggenrolla at his first attempt. To be honest, I would feel ashamed if I were Ash. Where did good old competent DP Ash go? Please, come back, will you?
Also, I was surprised at how brutal and reckless Team Rocket can actually get. Or, as Cilan would out it: "That adds a new ingredient to the recipe"
Anyway, it reminds me of Hunter J who again reminds me of the good old DP times which remind me of my wonderful angel Cynthia. Awww, sweet memories
And, by the way, I honestly don't get it why some of you are making such a fuss about whether Team Rocket's lip movements were in sync with their lines...Actually, their pauses fitted really well because I couldn't help thinking that it added a touch of mystery to their motto.
All in all, a more than average episode.
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That was a joke Dogasu. I just find the show less predictable with the TR competence therefore making me enjoy it more. Why do you watch the show anyways? You're saying that you are enjoying it less with the TR change. That's the impression and vibe I'm getting. At least Meowth was back with its original personality for 6 episodes.