DP 188 "Conclusion of Rival Battle! Satoshi VS Shinji!!" Review Thread

Looks like a pretty cool preview. I'm betting that Gliscor knocks out Drapion, but then gets beaten by Electivire. Pikachu's curse against that family once again rears its ugly head, and Electivire also takes Pikachu down (though Pika gets in some good damage). Infernape will finally finish off Electivire, and Ash will win.

I have said it, and now it must be so!

Wow Gible, you're really gotten to a pathetic level now. -_-

And now just like I want the Johto Starters to do good in the next battle to spite Scott I want Gliscor to go to Oak's and star in the league/second saga next season to spite your annoying ass -_-

Geeez start breathing and calm down a little. Learn to discern sarcasm from hatred (I know it's hard on the internet)

By the way, I've yet to see you answer the valid points I've raised (I think it was in the DP187 thread though). Just telling someone they should shut up because they disagree with you and calling them annoying isn't worth much. If you want to have a discussion about Gliscor, then I'm more than willing to... :D

Edit: I meant those points...

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Originally Posted by Gible

Also let's be honest here. Whether or not I personally dislike Gliscor doesn't change the fact that out of the pokemon used in the Paul match, he's the one Ash trained the least, he's the pokémon that had the least impact on the Ash/Paul rivalry and he's the one that proves the least how skillful Ash is as a trainer since he was trained by another trainer, a master at that... Is it that wrong to say that Gliscor shouldn't have gotten a win (or a tie) over Torterra or Staraptor since both played a bigger part in the Paul rivalry? Is it that wrong to say that it's unfair that Gliscor got twice the amount of screentime that Torterra got in this episode and gets to come back next week given the fact that Torterra's story of having to deal with the loss of speed and being a tank is still unresolved while Gliscor already got closure in its release episode?

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Given that Gliscor might tie or win against what can be considered the powerhouse of Paul's lineup in his League match against Ash, Drapion, that took out three mons that Ash trained either from scratch or in Buizel's case into able battlers we should ask what's the point of this match? It's supposed to prove Ash's training methods are stronger than Paul. Gliscor defeating Drapion flies goes against that. I'm sorry if my disliking of stupid writers decisions that cheapen the rivalry they've built up for 4 years irks you.

Ash v Paul is an amazing battle, truly on of the best the anime's ever given us but Gliscor getting a win over Torterra and Staraptor dilutes any meaning this battle could have regarding Ash's training style.

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Originally Posted by Gible

Geeez start breathing and calm down a little. Learn to discern sarcasm from hatred (I know it's hard on the internet)

By the way, I've yet to see you answer the valid points I've raised (I think it was in the DP187 thread though). Just telling someone they should shut up because they disagree with you and calling them annoying isn't worth much. If you want to have a discussion about Gliscor, then I'm more than willing to... :D

Edit: I meant those points...



Given that Gliscor might tie or win against what can be considered the powerhouse of Paul's lineup in his League match against Ash, Drapion, that took out three mons that Ash trained either from scratch or in Buizel's case into able battlers we should ask what's the point of this match? It's supposed to prove Ash's training methods are stronger than Paul. Gliscor defeating Drapion flies goes against that. I'm sorry if my disliking of stupid writers decisions that cheapen the rivalry they've built up for 4 years irks you.

Ash v Paul is an amazing battle, truly on of the best the anime's ever given us but Gliscor getting a win over Torterra and Staraptor dilutes any meaning this battle could have regarding Ash's training style.

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You know about Gliscor training from the Air Master. I figured out some way to justify it being used to prove Ash's methods of training.

Unlike Paul, Ash adapts to his pokemon's style. It showed when he made use of Aipom's contest skills in the Gardenia match as far as I can remember. So by adapting to what Gliscor has learned from the Air Master, it does somewhat show Ash's methods of training.

Not to mention, Ash did train with Gliscor before the battle (which I did say was justifiable if a reserve was in this match so...).

Regarding Gliscor going off for a spell, all the air master did was teach it how to fly properly, so I'm cool with that. From what we've seen, what it's capable of in that field now is no better or worse than the stuff Ash's other flying type pokemon are usually capable of from the get-go.
And unless they outright said so, I doubt Stone Edge was a result of that training. It probably just spotaniously learned it at some point like how all the Oak'd pokemon have a shitload of new moves for no apparant reason.

Either way, Gliscor's cool, and it looks cool battling. And isn't that what's really important in all wakes of life?

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Originally Posted by Grave-E

Regarding Gliscor going off for a spell, all the air master did was teach it how to fly properly, so I'm cool with that. From what we've seen, what it's capable of in that field now is no better or worse than the stuff Ash's other flying type pokemon are usually capable of from the get-go.
And unless they outright said so, I doubt Stone Edge was a result of that training. It probably just spotaniously learned it at some point like how all the Oak'd pokemon have a shitload of new moves for no apparant reason.

Either way, Gliscor's cool, and it looks cool battling. And isn't that what's really important in all wakes of life?

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^ Agreed. Tbh, as long as it looks good and stuff, I really don't mind. So I'm excited to see Gliscor vs. Drapion in this match as well as the Electivire matches.

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Originally Posted by Gible

Given that Gliscor might tie or win against what can be considered the powerhouse of Paul's lineup in his League match against Ash, Drapion, that took out three mons that Ash trained either from scratch or in Buizel's case into able battlers we should ask what's the point of this match? It's supposed to prove Ash's training methods are stronger than Paul. Gliscor defeating Drapion flies goes against that. I'm sorry if my disliking of stupid writers decisions that cheapen the rivalry they've built up for 4 years irks you.

Ash v Paul is an amazing battle, truly on of the best the anime's ever given us but Gliscor getting a win over Torterra and Staraptor dilutes any meaning this battle could have regarding Ash's training style.

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I don't see you saying Electivire being in it cheapens the rivalry since Reggie also trained it. It doesn't matter if it is Paul's main pokemon because if hedidn't train it fully himself than it doesn't prove that his training style is better. Neither trainer is using pokemon that they fully trained all by themselves so in no way is Ash using Gliscor cheap

Right, so, according to PokeSunday preview:

- Gliscor's fire fang hit drapion;
- Electivire attacks pikachu freaking quickly;
- Infernape receives a thunderbolt damage;

Beside this, nothing new.

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Originally Posted by DuquÊ?

Right, so, according to PokeSunday preview:

- Gliscor's fire fang hit drapion;
- Electivire attacks pikachu freaking quickly;
- Infernape receives a thunderbolt damage;

Beside this, nothing new.

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Oh arceus, I hope that Ash didn't forget that electric attacks activate motor drive AGAIN. >_>

Did the fire fang knock out drapion or was it still standing?

Was Electivire super fast, as if Pikachu used an electric attack and activated its Motor Drive ability again?

I sure as hell hope not. Who want to see such buffoonery again?

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Originally Posted by Ash6K

Unlike Paul, Ash adapts to his pokemon's style. It showed when he made use of Aipom's contest skills in the Gardenia match as far as I can remember. So by adapting to what Gliscor has learned from the Air Master, it does somewhat show Ash's methods of training.

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Straws... you're grasping at them...

So... Ash's skill is to let others do the work for him and reap the benefits. Heck, why train pokemon anymore? He should just sit back and let others train his pokemon for him than borrow them from time to time when he needs to fight in a gym. I mean, since there's no value in training your own pokemon apparently...

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Originally Posted by Grave-E

From what we've seen, what it's capable of in that field now is no better or worse than the stuff Ash's other flying type pokemon are usually capable of from the get-go.

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Difference is, he wasn't capable of that when he was with Ash and the flyer that Ash did train from scratch isn't getting a win in this battle... Way to prove Ash's training methods.

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Either way, Gliscor's cool, and it looks cool battling. And isn't that what's really important in all wakes of life?

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But is that solely true of Gliscor? No, it's valid for Staraptor and Torterra too... I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you (well I am about the cool part), but why not have both? Why not have pokemon that look cool battling, that have solely been train by Ash and that actually prove something in this battle? Like say... Torterra and Staraptor.

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Originally Posted by Matt3225

I don't see you saying Electivire being in it cheapens the rivalry since Reggie also trained it.

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I get your point, but at the same time, Reggie's not exactly a master battler that drastically improved Electivire's battling abilities. Electabuzz didn't get any new moves from Reggie, no new techniques... Reggie's a breeder, he cares for Paul's pokemon when he rotates them, but he's not drilling them into fighting machines. Not really the same situation... Especially considering Electivire played a huge part in the Ash/Paul rivalry, especially with Pikachu and Infernape, while Gliscor played no part at all besides being in the sixth slot for the full battle...

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Originally Posted by V Faction

I sure as hell hope not. Who want to see such buffoonery again?

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*Raises hands* Me Me Me!!!

Stop being an ancy-pantsy yourself, Gible. There's no reason to feel so perturbed by one Pokemon.

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Originally Posted by Gible

Straws... you're grasping at them...

So... Ash's skill is to let others do the work for him and reap the benefits. Heck, why train pokemon anymore? He should just sit back and let others train his pokemon for him than borrow them from time to time when he needs to fight in a gym. I mean, since there's no value in training your own pokemon apparently...

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Just thinking of something for why the writers would bring back Gliscor if they had the rivalry still in mind with the whole training thing. If that doesn't work for you, fine.

Anyway, Gliscor Fire Fanging Drapion...does that mean beating it? We'll see. Oh Ash, when will you learn, oh well, guess it adds to the intensity of Infernape vs. Electivire.

Speaking of that match, can't wait!

I'm guessing this will be of similar timing with the past 3 vs. 3 battle and take up half-ish of the episode? The rest of the time can be taken up talking, a short good bye, and maybe Ash finding out about Takuto. That's my guess.