Thread: A Call For Brotherly Love!

I could go into a huge tirade about it but I won't. In short, I ship what I want, do not get into that subject with me.

It's not pointless filler. It gave development to a part of Cilan's character we hadn't seen at ALL, not even really in his first episodes: the bond he has with his brothers. You know, the people he is RELATED TO and runs a gym with, who it took 52 episodes for him to even mention again. Heaven forbid an episode not be all about legendaries flying around.

Yeah, this definitely isn't the place to be questioning who someone may or may not choose to ship, and such discussion certainly has nothing to do with the episode at hand, so let's just leave it there.

Originally Posted by Keldeo94

Cilan gave bad advice, about not needing to be balanced and just keeping with offence.

I really disagree - Cilan established exactly why he gave that advice, acknowledging that he usually would go for balance but that his travels with Ash (who almost never uses defensive moves, and only in BW seemed to start using status moves) made him appreciate the different approaches trainers have. Especially considering in the anime you can just dodge everything without specific defensive moves there's even less reason to teach them when it goes against Chilli's style.

His advice was both right and helped demonstrate why he's on his journey - though I agree with DracoMan about Ash's Counter Shield being a perfect strategy in this sort of case and that in general Cilan would have learnt much more if it were from DP Ash's battle style and moves.

As for being 'filler' - the TR part was the most boring element of this episode - if that's substance I want filler.

This was a brilliant and well written episode, I can easily list my favorite moments:

The bromance.
Cilan's evaluating.
Character development.
Chili being a huge woobie.
Ash being a terrible referee.
Seeing Ash training his Pokémon.
Chili's comfort food being doughnuts.
Pansear and Chili having a lot in common.
Cilan revealing what he has learned about battles.
Pansage and Pansear acting just like their trainers.
That heated bro-handshake between Chili and Pansear.
Pansage's and Pansear's (and Panpour's?) close friendship.
The Solarbeam training with the Rocky-style training montage.

Cilan saying how precious his relation with Chili and Cress is was really sweet, their brotherly love is strong.

It was great to see Cilan using his Pokémon Connoisseur skills to help with his brother's and Pansear's bond.

Who knew Chili's constant loses were actually leading to somewhere and weren't coincidence? I felt really sorry for the poor guy, Chili was easily loveable - and, I must say, quite adorable - in this episode. And we know it was not a filler as it focused on developing a relative of Cilan's (plus a Gym leader) as well as revealing Cilan's development.

I really enjoyed Cilan's explanation of his views on Pokémon battles. Saying that he used to have a tendency to put balance above everything else up until he started traveling with Ash and Iris were he learned what's more important is the personalities of the Pokémon trainers and their trust and compatibilities with their Pokémon. As that can really bring out their hidden tastes depending on how each move is used. Finding out how much Cilan has developed was great.

Among other things, I loved Ash's often excited behavior in this episode. Such as him happily exclaiming "They're just like you guys!" Also have to give the dub props for this- "It's close combat time!" Cilan's phrase must have really rubbed off on Ash.

Originally Posted by Itsuki

It's not pointless filler. It gave development to a part of Cilan's character we hadn't seen at ALL, not even really in his first episodes: the bond he has with his brothers. You know, the people he is RELATED TO and runs a gym with, who it took 52 episodes for him to even mention again. Heaven forbid an episode not be all about legendaries flying around.

Cilan's character wasn't really developed, it was more Chilli and Pansear who developed, and we likely won't see them for another 52 episodes, unless their the shadow triad. Unless you call Cilan's step backwards in thinking that it is ok to just attack attack attack rather than be balanced as progress. Every other person in a position of respect, gym leader, e4 etc, always stress not to focus on one thing, usually Ash is missing X from his strategy and needs more of it to balance out etc.

Originally Posted by Moe

Originally Posted by Keldeo94

Cilan gave bad advice, about not needing to be balanced and just keeping with offence.

I really disagree - Cilan established exactly why he gave that advice, acknowledging that he usually would go for balance but that his travels with Ash (who almost never uses defensive moves, and only in BW seemed to start using status moves) made him appreciate the different approaches trainers have. Especially considering in the anime you can just dodge everything without specific defensive moves there's even less reason to teach them when it goes against Chilli's style.

His advice was both right and helped demonstrate why he's on his journey - though I agree with DracoMan about Ash's Counter Shield being a perfect strategy in this sort of case and that in general Cilan would have learnt much more if it were from DP Ash's battle style and moves.

As for being 'filler' - the TR part was the most boring element of this episode - if that's substance I want filler.

The TR part was on for about 10 seconds, they saw the rock and pulled the lightning stone out, if you got bored during that your attention span must be tiny.

Great episode, decent dub.

Originally Posted by adyniz

Originally Posted by Moe

like Chilli's love of rice balls.

No 4Kids here, those were donuts =P

Caption the Screenshots!

why does CIlan have a different shoe design ?

and the FIRST fire type gym in the unova !?? the unova region doesn't have any fire type gym...wow....
(before any reply about the 10 gyms in the game,we already know that there are even more than that in the anime...Trip !!!)

Should make an eppy for Cress, too. Very nice eppy

10/10

One of my favourite episodes of BW so far, it reminded me exactly why I love Cilan so much. I'm amazed Chili became a gym leader in the first place with that kind of attitude, but it was so much fun to watch him improve with Cilan's advice. For once, I don't even mind that Ash lost, Chili needed the boost. Love gym leader insights, and Pansage & Pansear acting like their trainers was just adorable.

I loved this episode. So far all of the episodes regarding Cilan and his brothers are my favorite.

I really enjoyed this episode. It was a fun filler.

I really like how Pansear and Pansage were such amigos. I also like how Pansear acts like Chili (i.e. eating food when they're angry). I also like how the brothers know each other pretty well. I kinda liked Cress the most.

I really liked the Rocky reference here. The training scene was just epic.

I kinda thought that the TRio parts were unnecessary in these episodes. Up until the next episode which I haven't seen yet...

Oh that's one of my favorite episodes!!

Pansear learns a new move, Solar Beam and it looks like Kamehameha wave. Chili got upset, someone needs to take his stress pills. Chili loves donuts, so I see a pattern: Cilan loves trains and Chili loves donuts I wonder what Cress likes.

I'm pretty upset that Pansear and Pansage just borrow from their trainers and don't get a new personality.

It also revealed Cress is the most emotional of the brothers.

Cress cried all day it seems like, what gym leader cries in their battlefield?

When Cress said "And I've been worried sick" it sounded like something a parent would say rather than a sibling.

Chili's blushing face looked cute but I don't know why would he blush over something like Ash and Iris saying their like their pokemon.


Then there's the training, the absorbing the energy scene made me mad because the diloluage sounded more like worshipping than concentrating.

The following diloluage:
Cilan: “The first thing is to open the doors to your heart”
Chili: “Alright Pansear let’s do it”
Pansear: “Pansear”
Ash: “Pikachu let’s do it too”
Pikachu: “Pikachu”
Iris: “you too Axew”
Axew: “Xew”
(everyone stands out with their arms apart in the sun)

Cilan: “Can you hear the voices of the grass and trees”
Chili: (whose now confused) “Sorry I can’t hear a thing”
Cilan: “Once you open your heart you’ll hear it”
Iris: (who hears it) “Hey I think I just heard it”
Axew: "xew"
Ash: (hearing it now) “Me too”
Pikachu: "Pikachu"
Chili: “You know I’m starting to it as well it’s a very soft and gentle voice but it’s there”


Sounds like their listening Arceus in his Grass Type form, I'm christen so that made me mad.




Chili's gone on a journey now and Pansear is now his walking pokemon. I wonder if Cress will get a episode, he's just turning Panpour into a walking pokemon since he's leaving her out after a battle.

I'd love to see Chili's new gym. Nice Rocky Reference!! But the hug scene looks more like Sweet Baby James when James was holding Chimecho.

And way to go with the lack of use of the Cross-popping veins!!!

Cress' sad face looked like Jessie's sad face and Chili's glowing, red face when he increases in body heat looked a lot like Ash in "Bickering the Better"


Why did Chili get embarresed over something like that. Chili tells Pansear to let out his anger. He just louder and louder to the point where he's screaming (was it necessary for him to yell and scream at the top of his lungs?) He probably hurted his throat and vocal chords in the process and made Ash and Iris deaf temporary (it was enough to make him wet his pants even though they don't show it). Even Cilan's conscious talking. Chili was sick and pukey in the flashback it looked like he was gonna throw up. He was upset and you can get sick from stress (my brother used to get so upset he threw up). Even if they don't show it he probably threw up on the way to the pokemon center or at the pokemon center.

A nice episode there. Now we just need one about Cress. Panpour has no problem with Electric types but doesn't seem to do so well against Grass types possibly. I guess the plot for an episode like that could be about Panpour learning Ice Beam.

Back on topic, I was impressed and pleased that the anime has mentioned using other moves to cover weaknesses instead of stating "Grass beats Water, they're fucked" like they normally do.