Thread: BW108 "Isshu League Conclusion! Lucario VS. Pikachu!!"

Ash vs Kotetsu was supposed to be 6 on 6. However, Kotetsu only brought five. Regardless of the battle - that should've been a rightful reason to be disqualified. But they didn't do that.

They could've made it that Kotetsu brought 6 pokemons but won using only five, making him a powerful boy. That wasn't even funny or stupid. Just...so unnecessary.

Originally Posted by The Fighting Misty

Originally Posted by Moe

Ash said it himself.

What was the exact line, I'm am very curious.

"Best 8, huh? Pikachu and everyone did their best. But Lucario and Kotetsu were strong, and Virgil was even stronger. A lot has happened since we got here, huh?" [pointless clipshow]
That's my lame translation. It's not 100% accurate, but you get the idea.

Originally Posted by Satoshi_Pikachu

"Best 8, huh? Pikachu and everyone did their best. But Lucario and Kotetsu were strong, and Virgil was even stronger. A lot has happened since we got here, huh?" [pointless clipshow]

Yes Satoshi, a lot of losing has happened since you got there, huh?

Ok, I suppose I should give credit where credit is due... the Pikachu vs. Lucario battle was nicely animated. If Kotetsu had brought six Pokemon with him and the other five were knocked out then I imagine I'd have been a lot more forgiving.

Still, at least the show has been consistent is how bad Satoshi is... I wouldn't have expected the kid we've been watching Best Wishes to have gotten this far. I'm telling you, BW Satoshi would have been lucky to get past Naoshi in the Sinnoh League.

BW indirectly makes America look bad since Unova is supposed to be America.

Silly offtopic posts like the one above my own post will be infracted for Pointless Post. Stick to BW108 please guys.

Didn't the last scene of Ash reminiscing about the region's journey he has been on in Unova followed by a still shot of him running over to his companions a kickback to the Indigo League?

I remember him saying goodbye to Richie then looking out over the stadium thinking about the entire league from start to finish and then he runs over to his mom, Oak, Brock and Misty.

Originally Posted by Paulisthebest

Didn't the last scene of Ash reminiscing about the region's journey he has been on in Unova followed by a still shot of him running over to his companions a kickback to the Indigo League?

I remember him saying goodbye to Richie then looking out over the stadium thinking about the entire league from start to finish and then he runs over to his mom, Oak, Brock and Misty.

Woah now we know why Ash placed Top 8 this time instead of Top 4. Lets look at it this way, the guy who beats Ash in this league is a sort of a doppelganger in a way just like Ritchie during the Kanto League. Instead of being a physical doppelganger of Ash this one is a Personality Doppelganger of Ash. The guy who beats Ash(Cameron) then gets destroyed the next round just like how Ritchie then lost his next round match to Assunta. Then we also must look at trip who was the Juniour Cup Winner and theoretically a fan favorite to win the Unova League and Ash beat him in the First Round, just like he beat Mandi at the Kanto League. Then combine all of that with the ending scene of this episode and bam, Great Shades of the Indigo League right here.

This could say something about Ash's future pattern of progression, what it means exactly is something that I can't exactly say at this point and time but whatever, a nice trivial touch that doesn't change the fact that this is far worse of a league than any other before it and most likely any future leagues after it.

Well, I had quite a bit to say about this finale...but it seems others have already said it all for me. Everything that happened in this episode was just too unbelievable for words: not only did Ash technically lose in a lower rank than in the last league, and not only lose 5-6, but the kid who beat him was, in turn, not only also defeated 5-6, but only managed to KO half of his opponent's team. Half. Making Ash look worse than he already was.

Yes, we already knew that Ash was going to lose to Cameron (except those few who were in denial), and it was fitting for him to do worse in the league this time around, after how little development he got compared to AG and DP, but... it was still sad to see it happen. Sad in a "very bad, very poor writing" kind of way.

Originally Posted by Paulisthebest

Didn't the last scene of Ash reminiscing about the region's journey he has been on in Unova followed by a still shot of him running over to his companions a kickback to the Indigo League?

I remember him saying goodbye to Richie then looking out over the stadium thinking about the entire league from start to finish and then he runs over to his mom, Oak, Brock and Misty.

Holy shit, you're right! It's pretty much the same thing, he was even standing in the center of the field while Aim to be a Master plays in the background. And of course, we have a clipshow. Only it was more pointless than the Isshu one, since they were only scenes from the league.

I don't know if I should like the reference or be annoyed that the writers recreated the Kanto league XD

Originally Posted by Satoshi_Pikachu

Originally Posted by Paulisthebest

Didn't the last scene of Ash reminiscing about the region's journey he has been on in Unova followed by a still shot of him running over to his companions a kickback to the Indigo League?

I remember him saying goodbye to Richie then looking out over the stadium thinking about the entire league from start to finish and then he runs over to his mom, Oak, Brock and Misty.

Holy shit, you're right! It's pretty much the same thing, he was even standing in the center of the field while Aim to be a Master plays in the background. And of course, we have a clipshow. Only it was more pointless than the Isshu one, since they were only scenes from the league.

I don't know if I should like the reference or be annoyed that the writers recreated the Kanto league XD

I find it both humorous but annoying...

Its like the writers are giving mixed signals to fans like;

From day one we were accused of rebooting the series to be like Kanto with Ash acting like a novice once again and Pikachu being brought down significantly in power...and our response to you after this entire series is, you were absolutely correct! And to further cement our statement here we will reenact Ash's first Pokemon League competition final scene where he will think about his journey and then run off towards his friends!

OR it could just show how lazy the writers are but just copying something they did in the past...

Despite of all this BW hate, I liked this episode even though Satoshi lost. Really awesome animation (nothing less expected from Iwane), and I loved the new animation for Tsutaaja's Leaf Blade. The way how she charged it before attacking...just. Awesome. Lucario's Iron Tail Mimic was cool, so was Eievui's Trump Card. Damnit, all attacks animated for this episode were awesome.
And let's not forget the great music used from the 14th movie, too.

The last scene...it was just like the last episode of Indigo League, liked that.

The episode's ok for an Ash-loses-the-league episode, but I'm wondering, why were Ash and co. were preparing to leave their lodging right before dawn??? Just for the sunrise scene at the end? Geez.

Not a great episode thats worthy of finishing the league. Except the animation all other things seems to be off-colour. Ash's rank has descended from DP series which is not a good sign keeping his goal in mind. I thought snivy would evolve after being down. but thats not what the writers want.. anyw happy to see Virgil winning the league. My opinion is that virgil won not bcoz of merchandising eevee products but due to his team's diverse attacks and his startegy..,, oly stephan is real worthy to be considered a rival in this series...

I can't understand the problem with Cameron win against Ash... Is Cameron an idiot? Ash too. BW Ash just deserves to lose for an idiot bigger than himself. I call this poetic justice. Or just irony. :P

But I concurr this league as a whole was a disappointment. I didn't like "indigo league final episode reference", it felt...wrong. Well, too late now.

Originally Posted by Ash's Battle Coach

lol with all the hype behind Episode N and generation 6, I had forgot the Unova league was still going. Just watched it. Worst league ever. Can that even be denied? We get the closest thing to a 6 v 6 and it was a piece of shit. Then a bunch of montage battles where Cameron can only beat half of Virgil's team, which kinda makes Ash look even worse.

It was a pretty horrible league, but I still think it was a tiny bit better then the Indigo Leauge.