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    Why did they have a dozen of each of three Pokemon and then one Shinx? And why does no one know how to shut doors?

    I have to wonder how much noise the Pokedex is supposed to make - earlier in the episode it seemed like Ash used it to deliberately startle the Sunflora - but then he used it when he was supposedly sneaking up on the kids/Shinx, yet scanned away - the Pokedex would surely have been loud enough to notice from across the room?

    Cheren jumping on Shinx is interesting - it's disappointing to me that Ash and Pikachu didn't look at eachother and hint at how often Ash has done the same thing - instead he was like Iris/Cilan in being amazed that he'd do that. Which also made me think that I can't recall any time in BW where Iris/Cilan have seen Ash do that jumping on an attacking Pokemon thing, which previously seemed like a trademark considering how often he was doing that in DP.

    Apart from wanting to see Oshawott actually win something, I didn't really mind the battle - it's perhaps telling that at this point Ash doesn't really seem to care about winning and losing that much, he was just happy to have a good battle. I suppose him having an attitude like that is about the only thing that can make his not immediately leaving Unova to go to XY-land seem in character. Oshawott was amusing enough (I still like that thing with putting the scalchop back, even if it's way overdone by now) - and Herdier licking Oshawott has to be one of the cutest things in ages.

    I'm interested in what Cilan was saying about his Gym experiences, but it seemed to me like there was nothing made of Iris' future.

    I'll continue to dislike those Axew wandering off scenes in theory, but like last week the execution was amusing enough. Like with Oshawott, the scenes showing their personalities would be nice combined with actual battles where they can show another side - they do that fairly well with Scraggy being able to battle fairly seriously, but to me it seems like once Iris got Dragonite, Axew lost any reason to be more than a hairpin.

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    Default Re: BW 111 "The New Gym Leader - Cheren!"

    And i thought Ash battling Cameron was bad... I mean seriously... how did we not see that coming with oshawott getting defeated after two attacks? i know oshawott is water but no real effort was put into it. i did like how herdier spit oshawott out. and i do wished that they had axew play an obnoxious song or rickrolling the school instead of a scream. that would have fit better. i cant help but wonder if the one kid with Shinx has any relation to wario by any chance? I also cant help but wonder the part with ducklett with pansage will become memetic because well it looks like someone getting crap past the radar... oh well i give at 9/10 for comic efforts and a -29/10 for over predictablility. though i do wonder if this episode will change the Emolga eating joke to Minchinno now

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    Default Re: BW 111 "The New Gym Leader - Cheren!"

    For those of you still wondering...no, Aloe was not brought up at all. We also didn't find out whether or not Cheren gives out the Basic Badge.
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    Default Re: BW 111 "The New Gym Leader - Cheren!"

    Overall, I did not care for this episode. Cheren had a pretty cookie-cutter personality and interactions and actions and he seems like a character you could only really have enjoyed this episode if you're a huge fan of him for his design. His personality in the game isn't nearly as bland.

    The battle was rushed, Mijumaru was made out to be a joke. I admit, maybe I jumped the gun a bit before on Mijumaru. It's not like he's been in favorable battling conditions when he loses, I mean he lost to Bel's Daddy's Hihidaruma which is a Pokemon he had since his youth, he lost to Baoppu just to show off how Pod had become more competent, he wasn't going to beat a fully-evolved Dragon in the Isshu League, and this episode he lost to show off that Cheren was a competent new Gym Leader. But, still, how does he go from tanking moves left and right in the League to being beaten by one Thunder Fang from a Haderia? Not to mention it seems like all the development he got to learn to battle without his hotachi has now gone to the gutter and he never actually utilized any of it. He has Aqua Jet, Hydro Pump, and Tackle too which would have more than sufficed. I'm a huge Mijumaru fan so it sucks to see him portrayed this way, losing in a comedic fashion no less. It seems like whenever he wants to battle or is cocky/confident he gets checked rather easily. I guess it's not the first time a Water-type has had a few loses in a row, like Buoysel back in DP. The writers went to the trouble of having this battle being in the opening and it was complete poo. I also think it's kinda weird we see Cheren and Satoshi battling in a cathedral with N in the group but that wasn't the case at all this episode.

    Oh, well, at least Mijumaru being licked by Haderia was cute. Plus it's not like he won't ever win again.

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    Default Re: BW 111 "The New Gym Leader - Cheren!"

    It really is no wonder to me that all of Mijumaru's development from one of the best training episodes in the anime ever gets ignored once again in BW...I probably should have seen it coming, but why make a whole episode about Mijumaru and the shell (or rather: how it shouldn't be so depentand of said shell) when it is reduced to the comedic loser within a battle that was boring thanks to the opposing Pokémon to begin with?

    Episode N, you are not doing a good job at entertaining me....

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    It's episodes like these that make me wonder why can't Best Wishes be over sooner? Seriously, iconic game characters can't even help this arc.

    Let's kick Ash some more when he's down and have Oshawott lose. I'm even more pissed at the fact because I love the Otter personally but as said earlier, for all those who give Totodile crap just need to re-evaluate.

    Cheren has a nice design, but meh...

    I actually was hoping the writers may pull off one more tournament to wrap up things properly without any trickery or bias instead TBH. But in terms of the episode, it was ok....

    But then again, this is Best Wishes and that is to be expected.

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    Default Re: BW 111 "The New Gym Leader - Cheren!"

    this gym battle didn't mean much because the League Conference is over and it's the 1st time ash had a battle after the region's Pokémon League

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    Default Re: BW 111 "The New Gym Leader - Cheren!"

    Even though this was an unofficial exhibition match, it was expected that Ash would lose since he already owned the Basic Badge from his victory over Lenora. Oshawott is treated as a comic relief pokemon most of the time, so I was not surprised how he lost to Cheren's Herdier. The other aspects of this episode weren't that interesting.
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    Default Re: BW 111 "The New Gym Leader - Cheren!"

    Well, Ash loses, of course (why did I even think there was chance he could...?), knowing that there's no point to a victory here. At least it was a believable loss.

    Overall, the episode was... meh. A little on the boring side, but not really THAT bad, either, even if we're, once again, treated to Axew getting into mischief and Ash losing another battle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos King View Post
    Even though this was an unofficial exhibition match, it was expected that Ash would lose since he already owned the Basic Badge from his victory over Lenora. Oshawott is treated as a comic relief pokemon most of the time, so I was not surprised how he lost to Cheren's Herdier. The other aspects of this episode weren't that interesting.
    That's two battles on the trot for ash but on the wrong side of the legder
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    Default Re: BW 111 "The New Gym Leader - Cheren!"

    IMO, Cheren got what he deserved... A very nice episode.
    And I couldn't care less about Oshawott losing.

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    Default Re: BW 111 "The New Gym Leader - Cheren!"

    This episode was quite good. Better than BW110, for sure

    Pros:

    1) Team Rocket won't appear in every episode!
    2) Unfezant doesn't appear in this episode! (That bird just got too much screentime since BW107)
    3) Sunflora, Ducklett and Mincinno scenes were amazing...
    4) At least we got a battle shown in full and with an outcome in Episode N. (more comments about the battle are listed below...)

    Cons:

    In one word.... Oshawott. I hate that little Otter. Epsecially in battle. I loved how it had nearly zero battling throughout Best Wishes season 2 (the Oshawott/Piplup fighting for Meloetta was nice, I mainly dislike that thing battling). The only battle he got was vs Cameron's Hydreigon, and that's arguably the best battle it ever got, despite its loss. It looked like another Pokemon was battling.
    But today, good ol' Oshawott comes back...

    Though, I took the whole battle as an Oshawott funny scene. From that aspect, the episode was great.

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    Why do You hate the Otter so much don't you get that he is the Region Comedian like pretty much there has been one in every Region like Team Rocket was until Unova and Piplup was for Sinnoh.

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    Default Re: BW 111 "The New Gym Leader - Cheren!"

    I thought this episode was great; I really enjoyed it. I was very happy with the way they portrayed Cheren... slightly different from the games, but that's okay. He cares about the students and the pokemon, qualities that a gym leader should possess.

    And I love Shinx, so it was fun to see one!

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