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    Default Re: BW 094 "Seigaiha Gym Battle! Mantain VS Daikenki!!"

    I inserted spoiler tags in my review post for those of you that don't want to read it.

    Warning: My review for this episode is very long. If you wish to read this review, please do so at your own discretion.


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    Default Re: BW 094 "Seigaiha Gym Battle! Mantain VS Daikenki!!"

    By the way.. why did Iris and Axew get so creeped out by Jellicent?
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    Default Re: BW 094 "Seigaiha Gym Battle! Mantain VS Daikenki!!"

    I can agree with many that this episode was a rather big letdown for many (then again, the past few episodes have been like that)

    The first half feels like a completely separate episode from the second half as many are saying, and I can certainly agree with that, the entire episode felt like it was two different episodes that were pasted together. The first half is simply Ash and Kotetsu bonding with each other, and it's obvious that the writers spent the entire time focusing on this plot than the titular Gym battle plot in the second half, which feels shoehorned in at the last minute, because if there's one thing the anime writers are experts with a college degree at, it's shoehorning in plots at the last minute.

    For the first plot of the episode, it's nice that we get some character development and some time for Ash and Kotetsu to connect, and many of the plotlines were recycled from older episodes in which Ash bonded with one of his rivals, including Ritchie, Morrison, and even Gary. I am glad that they actually had time to focus on their relationship outside of a tournament arc, since anymore, that's the only way the writers can seem to have the rivals interact with each other.

    As for the Gym battle itself, I can agree on everyone that it was rather disappointing, since they only had 7 minutes left, the writers basically rushed it to completion, and as a result, the battle was rather boring and lacked substance. Marlon felt like a generic personality-less COTD than a Gym leader, and was barely seen throughout the episode until the later half, and within these 7 minutes, Kotetsu just happens to win the battle.

    What really annoys me is that in the opening, Kotetsu replaces Dawn, which considerably annoys me since the writers only put Dawn in BW for fan-service and nothing more, while all the focus in the previous 10 episodes that had her were essentially "The Iris Show", in which Dawn was simply THERE doing barely anything at all, and to me, it seems like Kotetsu is going to be one of those "I only exist to defeat Ash in the league" characters, much like Ritchie and Tyson were before him.

    This episode lacked much substance for something that had a lot of potential, but instead, went a completely different direction and shoehorned in the plot the title was about at the very last minute. I'll give this episode a 4/10, as the writers know they can do better than this...
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    Default Re: BW 094 "Seigaiha Gym Battle! Mantain VS Daikenki!!"

    I heard a lot of new music in this episode. It was a nice change

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    Well I’m just going to skip discussing the first half of the episode because everyone else has pretty much summed it up; “bonding” between Ash and the new rival and it made the episode seem like 2 in one when it should have been separate plots: Ash and rival bonding and then the rival having his gym battle.

    Kind of like Ash and Paul in Bewilder Forest and then a few episodes later Paul vs. Roark. It was great development between their first meeting and then the rival’s gym battle.

    Moving on to the battle; it was good but rushed, with a lack of Pokémon abilities being used but what else is new? Ferrothorn was lackluster mainly because I use one in the Battle Subway in the games and it is really useful. I mean Thunderbolt was a good strategy but for it to beat Jellicent in one attack?

    Ridiculous considering that it has nice Sp. Defense stats in the games. And only Shadow Ball? So many other great moves could have been used but oh well the clock was ticking on a 22 minute show…

    Ferrothorn losing to a bunch of not-very effective moves was also a disappointment. Wing Attack was neutral since it was used on a Pokémon that was half Grass. Even if it was a barrage of moves too bad Iron Barbs didn’t damage Mantine

    Finally my favorite Unova Starter had an awesome battle!!! Ash should take notes; that is how you evolve a Pokemon and all of its moves were incredible! I really loved Aqua Jet ramming its horn into the opponent and Razor Shell being used for defensive and offensive techniques. What I really enjoyed was how Samorott could “stand” while using its shells.

    Why do I have a feeling that Ash will use Miju against its fully evolved form in the Pokemon League???

    The whole time the match was going in the 2nd round, I couldn’t help but think that Ash’s new rival would have been screwed if Mantine’s Special Ability was Water Absorb…

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    Looks like they are finally using music from Movie 14, Black-Victini and Reshiram. The music during the Mantine vs Samurott fight is actually "Zekrom vs Reshiram (Reshiram version)". Unfortunately, it's unreleased. It's a shame. I like that version better than the released Zekrom version.

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    Default Re: BW 094 "Seigaiha Gym Battle! Mantain VS Daikenki!!"

    Wow. It felt like two separate episodes were spliced into one.

    Seeing the ever-badass Samurott kick butt was a lovely touch. Although, it should have been longer.

    Since my internet hates, me I missed last week's episode and thus, this is my first exposure to Kotetsu and his Riolu with a terrible voice.
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    Ash was so out of character in this episode. How could Ash NOT want to challenge a Gym leader, even if he already has all 8 badges?

    It's just so.....wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Fighting Misty View Post
    Ash was so out of character in this episode. How could Ash NOT want to challenge a Gym leader, even if he already has all 8 badges?

    It's just so.....wrong.
    Yes, a huge contrast to the 1st Gym where he fought against all 3 different Gym Leaders.

    This episode... I like the bonding of Ash and Kotetsu, although that split up part to me was puzzling. The least they could have done is have both boys and Iris and Cilan converse with each other a little more not knowing they split apart. This one seem awkward to me, from the silence and from the little time they start to split apart.

    I would have liked the Gym battle more if it got more focus. Samurott was incredible and it really stabs me the possible thought Ash may not have him.

    I guess so far BW plans not to have any 1 hour specials. This would be appropriate for it to show the 8th Gym Leader's power other than what was displayed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Fighting Misty View Post
    Ash was so out of character in this episode. How could Ash NOT want to challenge a Gym leader, even if he already has all 8 badges?

    It's just so.....wrong.
    How is that OOC? He never had an urge to challenge more than eight gyms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Fighting Misty View Post
    Ash was so out of character in this episode. How could Ash NOT want to challenge a Gym leader, even if he already has all 8 badges?

    It's just so.....wrong.
    I can agree with you there, if Ash came across another Gym, even with 8 badges already, he would have challenged it, this however, was probably one of the biggest OOC moments he has ever had, even worse is that it used what could be considered a forgettable character to battle against a Gym leader that was simply shoehorned in. Honestly, when BW2 first came out, I expected Ash to battle Marlon once he reached Seigaiha, instead, we get Ash watching a considerably forgettable character battling him in under 7 minutes in a battle that was poorly coordinated as a result of the writers rushing things to completion.
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    While I loved the episode overall, I have mixed emotions about the battle between Kotetsu and Marlon. I was ecstatic to see both my favourite Pokemon Samurott, and favourite Unova Gym Leader debut in the same episode. However while one looked amazing, slick and powerful, the other came off looking weak and redundant. Like others have said, if this episode wasn't so rushed, then maybe Marlon wouldn't have been shafted so badly. I really hope we get to see more of him, but unfortunately it doesn't look like time will allow it.

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    I'm sure the writers had Ferrothorn with Thunderbolt just to activate Cursed Body and show how smart they were because they got it right this time around... Yeah, no school style rewards from this forum, now off to the naughty corner with you...
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    So after going through the entire series without treating type advantages with a shred of dignity a non stab thunderbolt one shots a Jellicent. Why didn't they have Ferrothorn use power whip kids need to know about more moves isn't that the point of the show. Writers should be forced to look at any pokemon they put in their episode Jellicent is known for his special defence and Ferrothorn has bad special attack.
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    Default Re: BW 094 "Seigaiha Gym Battle! Mantain VS Daikenki!!"

    It would have been a good episode if not by Kotetsu. I can stand this character.

    Really, the only good part was to finally see Daikenki battling.

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