OH. EM. GEE.
Seriously, I can do nothing but to laugh. You're acting like this ''kodomo ne''-phrase is completely killing the characters and their friendship, you're exaggerating a whole lot. That phrase is nothing but a childish remark from a childish character, and it's only their for the purpose of humor, and I really can't see how that phrase is destroying their friendship.
''Kodomo ne'' is nothing but a childish remark from a character who already has childish traits, it's not based on anything of Ash's previous achievements or anything, it's just a way of teasing around with a friend.
Iris is just as much as child as Ash is, and that's something that should be rather obvious to all of us viewers, making Iris' use of the phrase ironic, and clearly displaying that she's a kid too. I mean, we could clearly see in BW62 that Iris called Ash a kid for not knowing what the Chargestone Cave was, only for Ash to get a bit annoyed by it and then asked Iris if she really knew what it was. During that moment, Iris said something in the style with ''Me? Not a clue'', and the expression on her face clearly indicated to her not being bothered at all for not having knowledge about. If she'd find it to be disturbing and felt slightly ashamed for not knowing she had blushed or something, because she had just called the one who didn't know anything about it a kid, when she herself didn't know it either, but she didn't blush and neither did she seem to be bothered by it. So, in other words, it's just a way of teasing, as it really isn't a meaning in it, and just a way to tease the other and not really based on anything.
Trust me on saying this, but Ash could become World Champion, being absolute strongest trainer in the whole wide world, and he would still hear Iris, a close friend of his, calling him a little kid.
Let me just take out a quote from @Tsutarja, who made his own review on the episode in a blog post (which you totally should go an check out). He knows, just like I, that Iris' way of saying kodomo ne is just a way of teasing a friend. Seriously, have you guys never experienced that with your friends? Oh well, here we go.
I couldn't agree more, as what he's saying is the impression I've got to. I found Ash and Iris to be just as good friends as anyone, her teasing attitude doesn't really make their friendship having a lower value or anything. They're just as much as friends as Dawn and Ash are, whether you like it or not. I mean, I've got a whole bunch of amazingly close friends, who all have different personalities and goals in life, and we always are teasing each other with words that are way more worse than Iris' famous remark. We respect each other fully, and we know perfectly well where the limit is.Originally Posted by Tsutarja;bt243395
Iris' ''kodomo ne'' really never seems to hurt Ash, does it? In fact, he's not reacting to it that much nowadays. Although sometimes he gets annoyed by it, he's still not liking Iris less for that. He is always supported her fully during her battles, like that one with Kenyan, where both both Kenyan and Ash were determined to meet each other in the final. Ash pretty much ignored all of that and rooted all the way for Iris instead, didn't he? Not to mention that he also protected Iris when Langley insulted her for using Scratch on Golett.
He cares for her, and he trusts her fully, just like he does with all of his friends.
As for Iris... did you guys see Ash's last gym battle? In that case, you should've seen how Iris rooted for him like crazy.
That's taken from my review on the last couple of episodes of BW1, and if you watched that episode you would've seen how both Iris and Dento went all out, cheering Ash on in a way like none of his traveling companions have ever done before, y'know why? Simple. Because they truly cared for their friend. Teasing and joking around is typical behavior among close friends, and even though it may seem to be rather harsh to treat each other that way, they'll always support and help you whenever you're in a pinch, just like Iris did in that episode.Now, some were saying that they felt that Iris was... out of character, with her suddenly cheering Ash on instead of calling him a kid, she made them feel ''confused''. I don't really see how. Believe it or not, but Iris has always cared for Ash, and she has always been rooting for him in his battles, even though she hasn't been showing it. At the beginning of his badge quest she was indeed constantly calling him kodomo ne lots of time throughout their journey, but that was simply because of her not thinking that he actually would make it all the way. Like, when he received his first badge, she made it quite clear that it was nothing to proud about, since he still had a very long way to go, but as he was gaining more and more badges she slowly started to realize that he actually could talk the talk, and still walk the walk. She was starting to believe in his decisions and actions more, and stopped judging him for his ''stupid'' type choices in battles which gave him a huge disadvantage. And now, when he finally had reached the 8th and final gym, she realized how extremely close he actually was to reaching his goal, so the only thing she knew she had to do was to cheer him on all the way, to give him that extra boost to help him actually make it all the way through.
I didn't think it was OOC at all for Dawn to join Iris in calling Ash a kid, as it really didn't mean anything, and as she only teased him. So, I must say that you Dawn fans are really exaggerating in this matter.
I found the Iris/Dawn-antics to be absolutely hilarious. For like the first time ever I actually appreciated Dawn being in the show. I never really liked her role in DP, and I've always considered her to be the worst female companion yet, but seeing her together with Iris I must admit that she become absolutely hilarious. The fact that they are completely opposites is making it more fun, as I'd much prefer seeing two characters that are complete opposites of each other to interact rather than seeing two ''soul mates'' do. Dawn was great in this episode, and so was Iris. I'd definitely ship them any day. As the matter of fact, I'd love it if the two of them formed their own traveling group.
Definitely the best girl-bonding yet.