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    If Suwama was to return (which could happen... I still believe that Harley and Urara were originally one-time rivals that were popular enough with the writers to be brought back) then I wouldn't want the whole 'Pokabu abandonment' story to take the main focus like Hikozaru did with Shinji. But I wouldn't mind seeing him again, I'll admit.

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    This episode reminds us all why Snivy is one of Ash's most fun Pokemon this season.

    The courtroom scene was alright, and Suwama was a really fun character. Worlds better than Trip. I really liked the animation of Heat Pledge, and Tepig was cute. However, Pignite still remains kinda bland to me.

    Good episode overall, and I kinda hope Suwama returns.
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    The courtroom scene was meh and all it did was make the entire context of the episode feel somewhat glorified when it should not have been. This was a plot point that had only been briefly mentioned near the end of an episode that aired more than a year and a half ago, yet the writers wanted to make it seem like Suwama is important enough to explain his perspective on the issue. I can understand wjy Iris is upset, considering that she wanted to catch that Tepig at first and was disgusted when she found out that someone tied its mouth to a post. But what are the other pokemon on the jury doing there?

    Since they belong to Ash and co. and some of them are Tepig's friends, it is already clear that they will be biased to support one side. It was annoying to hear all of those pokemon screaming after Iris finished yelling at Suwama first. It didn't help the plot move along and it made me feel that all of those pokemon should not have been in the episode. The problem with BW is that it makes every little instance of wrongdoing into a big promotion; one side is clearly wrong and half of the episode needs to be spent to jam that lesson into the wrongdoer's head. Ironically, there was no "fair trial" here, not even in this courtroom.

    It only took a few minutes for Paul to explain why he treated his Chimchar harshly in DP, and without the theatrics it made the entire plot move along very quickly and actually provided a rational context for Paul's decisions when he trained his pokemon. Yes, there were certainly some disagreements and hostility between the two sides back then, but it was not something that was just focused on to make one side feel like dirt. That little plot point made all of the difference when everything related to Paul had been settled at the end of DP. This culminated in the consesus that even though two individuals may share the same goals, they may be different in the methods that they use to get there. It was a solution that benefitted both sides of the Chimchar issue.

    After that big mishap of a scene, the plot finally started to move along and the episode got progressively better. Once the writer started to focus more on Tepig's feelings, Ash and co. were able to understand why it wants to be with its original trainer and that it felt guilty for losing in a battle to please Suwama. For once, we got some real interaction between Tepig and Snivy.

    The double battle would have been decent if it had not been something that was repeated from the DP tag battle arc. In both cases, Ash's side uses a Grass-type starter pokemon and a Fire-type starter pokemon against a fully evolved pokemon and a non-evolution pokemon. The fire-type starter was not willing to fight back at first, which meant that the Grass-type starter had to fend against the two powerful opponents. Eventually the Grass-type was defeated while it protected the Fire-type, which later made the Fire-type feel guilty enough to want to battle against the opposition. Although the contexts of both matches were different (Ash is battling by himself here, while he was tagged with another trainer in DP), it didn't make the match feel any better.

    And as with BW tradition, whenever a pokemon is seen struggling against an opponent that it cannot defeat on its own, it will evolve into its next stage and learn a new attack. Yes, Tepig evolves into a Pignite, learns Fire Pledge, and somehow defeats two fully evolved Fire-type pokemon (including its evolution). I am not really a big fan of these turnarounds, but BW has overplayed these evolutions to the point that I do not care as much anymore.

    And to go back to another trainer that released his Fire-type pokemon because it did not win any matches for him, it seems that Suwama wants Pignite back after seeing how powerful it has become. Pignite uses Flamethrower to burn his face. This scene may have been intentionally duplicated from the events that happened in the original series, in which Ash's Charmander did nearly the exact same things to its former trainer.

    Overall, this episode would have been great for any newcomer of the series. It finally resolved Tepig's problems with losing, Tepig finally evolved into its mid-stage form, and Snivy and Tepig finally got to interact on a personal level. But for someone like me, who had watched the series from the very beginning, this felt like a repeat of two episodes from the past in tandem with a horrible courtoom scene. Meh episode. On another note, I hope that Ash's other starters will learn their respective Pledge moves so that the writers can expand on combination attacks in the anime.
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    Suwama is Unova-Jun Fukuyama voiced-Damian, but I didn't have a problem with him at all. Infact, I like him. I hope we will see him again

    I'm happy Tepig evolved and Pignite looked really adorable and huggable. But his voice...boo. Glad he didn't start to stop listening to Ash when Piggy evolved. Snivy motivating Tepig was also really cool.

    Aside from that all, episode was predictable. The court scene...I felt it didn't fit in the episode but I did laugh though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Appletree View Post
    I'm happy Tepig evolved and Pignite looked really adorable and huggable. But his voice...boo. Glad he didn't start to stop listening to Ash when Piggy evolved. Snivy motivating Tepig was also really cool.
    Satoshi's Lizard and Hikari's Inomoo were initially obidient... it wasn't until a little while afterwards that they started acting up.

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    I liked Suwama's initial appearance but Flame Burst's debut was just unfair, they could have "not" shown it during that random battle so that there could have been a surprise ingredient for the later later match.

    Suwama's personality and his ass-hole(ness) was fun to watch, got whatever I expected it to be. Apparently, he calls himself/his team as "Fire Warriors".

    I noticed some major flaws in the animation. Sure the later part with Chaoboo's evolution saved the episode because of the phenomenal animation and Tsutarja's pure awesomeness, which also overshadowed the ridiculous outcome. Huh, when Zangoose used Fire Blast on Hikozaru back in the Tag Battle tournament, its flame got super charged but it worked the exact opposite for Enbuoh and Kuitaran (-__-). There were way too unnecessary and horribly angled close-up shots, tilting frame technique was used in some of the scenes and the over rated Fire Spin. Also, I am not sure what was the actual prob but the overall animation looked a bit fast paced and I do mean "fast paced", not rushed but fast paced like in fast forward mode.

    I am not saying that I didn't like the episode. Sure, I did. But there were some flaws that I just couldn't ignore.

    PS: Dento's "guilty or not guilty" was lulzy :P
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    And Snivy again proves that it's a veritable tank.
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    I... I... I just don't know how to explain how much I loved this episode!!! I almost feel bad for saying bad things about the BW series now...
    Tepig was sooooo cute <3 and I even like Pignite now!
    That Suwama guy was really evil... if I understood correctly he wanted to take that little kid's Pokémon since he beat him? 0__o wtf... and he was such a bitch to poor Tepig... not only did he abandone it, when he tied it up so it won't follow him, he seemed almost sad about doing what he did, but we later see that the jerk just went away smiling and laughing at it..... it's just cruel...
    Poor Tepig still liked its trainer... I liked how when Tepig got depressed Snivy just slapped it lol, in character for Snivy and was a great scene! Also really loved how much Snivy cared for Tepig and how well it battled for Tepig's sake, including "sacrificing" itself in the battle to protect Tepig! And if Suwama wasn't enough of a jerk, now that Pignite defeated him, he's all "ok you're good now come back to me since you still like me" - I seriously shouted "what a jerk!" at that moment, then I laughed so hard and felt so happy when Pignite just attacked him and went to Ash's side <3
    OMG BW SERIES CONTINUE THIS WAY
    oh, and before I forgot, Cilan and courtroom scene? It was like... totally awesome...
    I was soooo excited since I started to watch the ep till the very end and I'm still excited for it right now
    It's been so long and after all the recent boredom - we finally got a good ep again!!
    I really hope this is the moment BW changes for the better <3
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    Here are some screencaps I took from a HD video I got subs disabled of course xD

    I can't be bothered to edit all the IMG tags/code as for sppf in that subforum the tag is img139, but see my post over there for ALL of my caps for this episode:

    My SppF screencap post


    Image HEAVY warning!

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    Snivy was a warrior this episode. I find it funny how all of a sudden Pignite and Snivy are showing some personality and Oshawott hasn't been noticeable in ages. Shame, since I like the Otter.

    Suwana is such a bastard, I felt sorry for the Pig, most personality it's ever shown TBH. Dent in the courtroom had me smiling uncontrollably :)

    Flame Burst was soooo epic, and it was nice to see Tepig get some redemption. A much better evolution than those random gym ones. I actually kind of wanted a Pignite after this episode :D

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cinderfella View Post
    Snivy was a warrior this episode. I find it funny how all of a sudden Pignite and Snivy are showing some personality and Oshawott hasn't been noticeable in ages. Shame, since I like the Otter.
    It still had an awesome scene - in the "courtroom" scene, we can see Oshawott sleeping during all the time lol XD Osha is still awesome too <3 though I'm totally loving Tepig/Pignite now
    I'm taking back what I said about Tepig's evolved forms and how I wanted it to never evolve... and I'll take back what I said so far about the BW series if things will continue this way

    Suwana is such a bastard
    I felt sorry for the Pig
    Dent in the courtroom had me smiling uncontrollably :)
    Flame Burst was soooo epic
    I actually kind of wanted a Pignite after this episode :D
    +1 to all of that!!

    Sometimes this show disappoints a little but then makes such a "comeback" and reminds me why I love it so much ♥ please continue this way BW, pleaaaase...
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    Liked this ep; The courtroom scene, Tepig and Snivy's interactions, and the stoned bastard.

    But some of the animation was a bit meh. Jumpy and fast paced, you know?

    One moment that made me grin was when Snivy initially revealed she wanted to battle, and Ash crouched down and just sorta entered speedy as...

    "Don't mind me, just slidin' in here!"

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    This epiosde was amazing, really. There's not a single darn thing that I disliked about it, and it was way more epic than I originally thought.

    First of all, Swuama - love him. He's such a complete jerk, and I just love those kind of characters. He was so sneaky, and sinister, I mean, those flashback scenes totally fooled me. I actually thought at first that Suwama felt bad about leaving Tepig there, with him showcasing that depressed look on his face and those concerned eyes when walking away, and then suddenly, that sinister smile appears on his face... he got me, really. Bastard. (<3)
    He also shares my love for Fire-types, which I can do nothing more than raise my thumbs up to! But the way he used Heatmor to snap Emboar out of its confusion was really unexpected, and it only established his cruel personality even more. What a horrible trainer.
    Ooooooh! And when he threw Tepig the way he did... Jerk! I felt so bad for Tepig, whom actually was really glad to see its previous trainer, but only gets thrown away like thrash in response. totally going to marry him

    Suwama was amazing, and I sincerely hope that he'll be a recurring character.

    Then, we have Iris and Dento. I loved both of them in this episode, but I got to say that Iris' personality was the one that actually shined through here. I remember her saying something in the lines about teaching the trainer who abandoned Tepig a lesson once she found him, and I'm glad that I was proven wrong in thinking that the writers would just ignore that for this episode, since Iris was kinda badass here.
    When Suwama confronted the trainer whom he had beaten in the beginning of the episode Iris was the first one to really react. She took the initiative to actually run up to them and protect that poor trainer, while Ash and Cilan still were unsure about it, but then followed her. Going up against a bully the way she did really takes some courage, and she'll definitely get my respect for that. And then she also proved to be really concerned for that trainer as well, since she was making sure that he actually was alright after that confrontation.
    She was also the one who confronted Suwama when he and Tepig met again, and was acting really caring towards Tepig, and standing up for what she really thought about Suwama for having abandoned Tepig. She obviously really, really cares - she almost proved to be more concerned than Ash himself.
    You go gurrrrrl!

    Oh, and Cilan... hilarious, as he almost always is. That scene with the court was amazing, so I'll give Cilan my love as well!

    Snivy was, just as she always is, pretty awesome in this episode. She reminded me of Iris, since she always felt this hatred towards the trainer whom had abandoned Tepig, and also desperately wanted to help it in proving him wrong in stating that Tepig was weak. I guess she could recognize herself in that situation, since she also had been abandoned once. She was even aware of her huge disadvantage towards her opponents, as they were both Fire-types, but still was strongly determined to stay in battle and help Tepig out. She even saved Tepig from that combination, and took the damage instead! Now, that's proof of some real spunk! Snivy was really impressive.

    My feelings towards Tepig/Pignite has already been pretty much stated in this thread, so I won't even bother. But I really took a huge liking to it in this episode. Finally it showed some personality, and proved to be quite an awesome Pokémon after all. When it comes to the evolution... I actually thought it was more or less justified. Tepig have had its fair share of wins and losses, and surely gained a lot of experience, so I thought it actually deserved to evolve. And Pignite's just awesome.

    Great episode! Proved to be way better than I originally thought, and will probably be in the top amongst my favorite episodes of BW.
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    Totally agree with Chiplet's post - I really liked both Iris and Cilan in this ep too
    This ep is totally the example of how BW eps should be written regularly, we can only hope things will continue this way

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    This episode was amazing.

    I loved everything about it.

    Except the courtroom scene. It's an otherwise good scene, but I don't think it worked well with the episode. At least sleeping!Oshawott was lulzy.

    "Playing around?" Wrong.

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