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And I also agree with the assumption Ash and Gible wasn't any better, sure Gible "mastering" draco meteor against Shuckle was fairly different than usual but even so it was sloppy, rushed, and came out of nowhere. I mean it seems like the writers wrote Turtwig mastering Energy Ball the best. Because at least in that case, the result of mastering was due to concentration. I probably wouldn't have much of a problem with Gible's mastering of draco meteor if it actually was practiced some time before Conway, but if I'm not mistaken, the last time was in the Grand Festival where it used two meteors instead of one. Then suddenly it shoots Shuckle out of its mouth and it masters the move. Seriously what the hell.
Anyway its not like Axew could do anything similar to what Gible did since Draco Meteor is performed differently. It's really the difference between Energy Ball and flamthrower. One is a ball that is launched from the mouth, while the other is beam erupting its mouth. So clearly Axew picking something with its jaw and firing, wouldn't exactly work.
So I really didn't see anything wrong with Axew and dragon rage. If anything, Axew mastered dragon rage because it saw Druddigon using draco meteor, and pulled some of it's inner reserves to not be outdone by Druddigon by performing dragon rage correctly.
I rewatched this episode, but in sub titles, and I have to say that I very much enjoyed the Dialogue now that I understand what was being said.
Hoping for a great new episode every week
When?given that she generally seems willing to battle
You say you don't care and that she isn't a detriment to the show, I know, but you seem to care enough to devote a weekly statement to her
Well... her fans are fun people to wind up!:P
Nah, but this is my swan song as far as Iris criticism. I wanted the writers to show me something that makes me care about, and in my opinion, they did way too little of that. From now on, I'll probably won't mention her all that much. I mean, I don't mention the trees in the background when I review an episode! :D
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I can see that both sides have a point: Iris isn't exactly working in every episode to train her Pokemon. Then again, She does at least put in effort, she cares about her Pokemon, and training isn't always helpful in that situation.
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This is one of those episodes that makes me love Iris even more. I don't get why some people don't like her? She's so pleasant. She reminds me of May a little bit. Quite sweet, but with a little bit of Misty's ferocity thrown in. Kibago was awesome, but I always thought so anyway.
I was disappointed we didn't get anymore girly screams out of Cilan. That last episode made me think it could be his thing XD
@Tsutarja The only person Gible secretly idolizes more than Iris Is Misty. Nuff said.
Iris: Ash, my pokémon are all defective! Let me use yours!As Emonga still didn't wanna battle, Iris even asked Ash to lend her his Tsutarja so she can battle Belle and her Chaobuu.
Ash: Why don't you... I don't know... I'm just gonna go on a limb here and suggest... TRAINING THEM?
Iris leaves to go cry in a corner
My whole point was that Iris' pokémon present problems. Normally that's a good thing cause then we can, as an audience, A- see the trainer care and therefore care about the character, and B- the character can grow by learning to solve the problems.
Here... Iris had nothing to do with Kibago learning to use Dragon Rage properly and only used the attack 6 times in 30 episodes, Iris has a Doryuzuu that won't obey, does nothing to solve the situation and doesn't seem to care. She has an Emonga that won't battle and she'd rather ask Ash to borrow his pokémon than actually try to get her Emonga into battling... so... why exactly do people act like I'm crazy for not caring?
Crackfox, does that mean you loooooooove Dawn?:P
Wow, both of you with something a 3 years old child would think up. Can't handle debating, so make fun of the other party. How mature!
I don't want to see any more personal backlash from anyone else in this thread; whether it's in jest or not.
"seasons change, people change"
EDIT: Whatever, I see no point in this debate anymore. I do enjoy Iris and will keep enjoying her character throughout the Isshu saga. Your loss if you don't and besides,
weI just keep annoying the mods by this stupid debate over and over again.
No matter how much it pisses me off that you only see the bad in Iris, I'll simply give up. There's no point.
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About Iris guiding Amy through her battle against Satoshi - I think Iris knows the basics (I'm channeling Shooti here), but she doesn't understand how to implement them in battle through her own Pokémon because she's still too inexperienced as a trainer.
A little comparison - math students know how to solve an equation if given one (the basics), but they have a more difficult time forming one when given a word problem (the battle itself).
I didn't think Amy was that bland for a filler character, but she also didn't have any unique traits to set herself apart, either. I'm glad she received a little development as she gained confidence in her ability as a trainer. I'm a little surprised Crimgan was obedient toward her since she was just a beginner; plus, she received it in a trade (but at least it was from a family member, so it probably knew her beforehand).
I like the way Kojiro, Musashi, and Nyasu are now - showing personality while still maintaining their composure when their plans don't work. Desumasu and Koromori are really proving themselves as threatening foes; that Night Shade looked very powerful.
Overall, a great episode for Iris. While she may not have done much herself, we got to see her determination toward working with Kibago, which we hadn't really witnessed before. I feel like this is the beginning (as late is it may be) of Iris's development since Kibago mastering Dragon Sneeze was her first major stepping stone on the show. Hopefully she can move onto disciplining Doryuzu now, then Emonga.
Axew, then ofcourse she will look like she's not doing much.