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    Quote Originally Posted by J-J-M View Post
    Kinda depressing when Marian says she'll see everyone in the next Pokémon contest. That's never going to happen...
    That's almost as tacky as the writers continuing contests in the series without the characters that made them popular in the first place. Oh wait.

    Anyway so long, Contests, this wasn't the grand finale they should have been, but it was good enough.

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    I'm still wondering which attack Glameow used in the Japanese episode at the end of the battle when Gallade jumped on its tail.
    As I explained in my review, it must have been a translation mistake in the DUB, because the only two Electric-type attacks Glameow can learn are Thunderbolt and Thunder, but in the US episode it was mistakenly called Shadow Ball.
    Thus, I reckon it was Thunderbolt, but who knows.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Queen Cynthia View Post
    I'm still wondering which attack Glameow used in the Japanese episode at the end of the battle when Gallade jumped on its tail.
    As I explained in my review, it must have been a translation mistake in the DUB, because the only two Electric-type attacks Glameow can learn are Thunderbolt and Thunder, but in the US episode it was mistakenly called Shadow Ball.
    Thus, I reckon it was Thunderbolt, but who knows.
    I think it was Thunderbolt it could have been Shock Wave since I remember Glameow used Shock Wave before. Anyway I think Dawn losing to Zoey was a pretty good closure for contest they could have had her win but oh well maybe when Dawn makes an appearance in Best Wishes maybe we'll find out if she ever defeated Zoey sometime after she left.

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    Finally, I did a catch up with the dub! I stopped after Volkner's first ep, so I watched a few scenes of every ep from the first S13 ep to Volkner's first ep, then I watched all eps from Volkner's second ep to this ep in a row
    I have to note how I REALLY enjoyed this, I just couldn't stop watching! unlike my rewatch which I can't bother continuing cause I honestly can't enjoy older eps like Orange Islands as much as I enjoy the current eps

    Now, back to this ep... extremely awesome! I love Dawn and Contests so much... yes, I know the battle wasn't as good as Zoey VS Nando, but it was still good enough (and its ending is just full of awesomeness) and what's more important to me than the battle, is Dawn's character development... she accepts the lose perfectly fine, returns Johanna her ribbon and says that now she has her own ribbons and her friends to support her
    It's really a perfect ending for Dawn and while I wanted her to somehow stay on the show... if she had to leave, then they did it the best possible way
    I also really liked the final scene when she takes all her Pokémon out, thank them and say how lucky she is to have them all... <3

    As said, I like the fact they bothered to create a new song especially for this ep (like 4Kids used to do... I missed that, hope they continue doing it) but sadly it was really hard to hear the song with all the talking and noise over it... they should've made the song a little more clear to hear during all this talking... but it was still nice

    So yeah, awesome episode, best ending Dawn could get and good conclusion for this Grand Festival
    I hope now to continue watching every new dub ep every week as I do with the Japanese version... and hopefully I'll bother to continue my rewatch soon

    Quote Originally Posted by Hellwarden View Post
    One thing I like about this ep, is how it's proof positive that the dub really has improved. Most dubs get a lot of crap, and fairly so, but I don't think Pokemon is one of them anymore.
    Yeah... the dub is actually really good and it's ridiculous some people blindly complain about it so much
    Yes, it could be better... but it's not nearly as bad as some make it seem
    The only two problems in my opinion are TRio's dialogue (which honestly doesn't annoy me so much when I just watch it, it only seriously annoyed me when I translated eps) and the BGM being replaced, which isn't such a problem in episodes like this when I'm pretty sure they kept most of it (and we even got some eps which kept the whole BGM in this season and the previous one too, so they're improving...)

    Quote Originally Posted by Rafia View Post
    after watching the Japanese version again and again, the dub felt like it was done by amateurs fans.I am really disappointed, TPCI.
    Eh... no, it didn't feel like that at all... if you say it was so bad, you have to explain why

    Quote Originally Posted by matt0044 View Post
    Same here. TPCi may not be the best dubbing company but they are pretty good.
    Well, they're NOT a dubbing company XD the studio that is dubbing the show is Duart, not TPCI

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    I can't believe I haven't watched this Sinnoh Grand Festival finale episode! I caught a few glimpses of it in the past when the Japanese episode aired, but not enough to really get the whole episode. Well I've finally had time to watch the whole thing and write about my thoughts on the chain of events in this one. I'm just a bit sad that this seems like the final Contest battle of Dawn since I don't think Sinnoh has anymore Contests open, after the Grand Festival. Well here goes my review/essay on the events of this finale of sorts. First off, I hated this dub title since I didn't get the pun. Just thought I'd get that out of the way first haha. I thought the episodes started out too suddenly though; with not much build-up as we usually have. Pretty different since we usually have a lot of talking before any actual action.

    Anyway, the Contest announcer gives them the go-ahead to battle and Dawn sent out her trusty Piplup and the Togekiss she got as a gift. Zoey then sent out her trusty Glameow and a Gallade; which I'm assuming evolved from her old Kirlia. Kind of a shock to me to be honest, since I had assumed all of her Pokemon were female lol. Anyway, I noticed that when Piplup and Togekiss were sent out, there wasn't much of a Seal effect but when Zoey sent out Glameow and Gallade, they were given a cool flowery Seal effect. I call favoritism! Anyway, we got a nice shot of Team Rocket, Ash and Brock, and even Ursula and Nando watching the battle play out; that's great. I like that the writers remembered Nando and Ursula, specifically. Dawn gave Piplup and Togekiss a quick pep-talk and then she started thinking back to the Jubilife Contest and how Zoey said they'd meet at the final stage. Oh la la, a Shipping moment maybe? Lol.

    Ash scanned Gallade into his PokeDex, because that's what Ash does. He then confirmed that Gallade did indeed evolve from Zoey's Kirlia. Then Dawn's mom, Johanna, suddenly appears. I'm like, "what?!". I mean, how did she get to Lake Valor so quickly, when she was in Twinleaf Town one episode previous to this one? Weird. She explains how both Zoey and Dawn are even, though I thought Zoey had the advantage to be honest. Anyway, back to the battle. Dawn had Piplup jump on Togekiss' back and then she had Togekiss use Aura Sphere and Piplup use it's Bubblebeam which created a cool new move. Just when I thought Dawn had it, Zoey had Glameow cut the Aura Sphere in half which created a bright light. Zoey then had her Gallade use Psycho Cut on Piplup's Bubblebeam and created a dazzling effect of her own! Both Fantina and Dawn were impressed, though Dawn lost some points. Togekiss surprised Zoey with it's speed and then Piplup prepared to use Hydro Pump.

    Sadly, Zoey was prepared for that and had her Glameow use Fake Out to startle Piplup and cancel out the move before it was used. Pretty interesting to see Fake Out in the anime. Brock explained it's effect just as Dawn lost another chunk of points which was irritating to watch. Team Rocket then asked Meowth to learn Fake Out, though apparently, it isn't easy? Silly TPCI dialogue. Gallade used Vacuum Wave on Togekiss, but Togekiss dodged it and used Air Slash, though it missed as well. Both Zoey and Dawn lost points, though Zoey noticed how agile Togekiss was. Gallade then used Signal Beam and Glameow used it's Iron Tail to form another fusion move; a sort of lasso of Signal Beam. Dawn then had her Piplup use Whirlpool but Zoey countered with her own Signal Beam-whirlpool. However, Dawn used her Togekiss' Aura Sphere to give Whirlpool a bright-blue glow and the two Whirlpools collided to form a bunch of fireworks. Typical.

    Both Dawn and Zoey lost a few more points on the Contest meter for that one, since the move was equally effective. Zoey had Gallade use Swords Dance which, to be honest, was probably the blandest move I've ever seen in a Contest. No sparkly effect or anything. Dawn took advantage and had Togekiss use Safeguard to protect it from status changes. That cost Zoey some points right there. Zoey tried using Glameow's Shadow Claw on Togekiss, but it wasn't very smart, at least not at first anyway. Togekiss used Sky Attack but Gallade came charging in and used it's Psycho Cut. Piplup used Peck and they pretty much tied there but that was what Zoey wanted. She used that attack as a distraction and had Glameow climb onto Togekiss' back. Smart, since it cost Dawn more points. Glameow then used Thunderbolt, but apparently, Togekiss' Safeguard protected it from damage. Lol, what? It cost Zoey and Dawn more points, once again. Piplup was then preparing to help Togekiss, but Gallade got in the way. Piplup however, just kept on running towards Gallade.

    Gallade used Vacuum Wave again, but Piplup used that spinning move and was able to dodge it in mid-air. It then "flew" towards Togekiss and Glameow and knocked Glameow off with it's Hydro Pump! That move both removed Glameow and cost Zoey points. Gallade then used Psycho Cut once more but Togekiss and Piplup dodged that in the air. We then saw some of the other Coordinators watching the battle like Kenny, and even Candice of Snowpoint City was watching the battle! Zoey then wanted to seperate Togekiss and Piplup so she used another Psycho Cut and it worked. Dawn came up with a plan fast and had Piplup use Whirlpool while Togekiss distracted Zoey. It didn't work so well though; Glameow was able to grab a hold of Whirlpool with it's tail. I say, cut it off. Gallade then used Vacuum Wave to destroy the Whirlpool, which was odd, considering Zoey could've been a bit more creative but whatever. Dawn then had Piplup use Peck and Togekiss use Sky Attack!

    For some reason, the two moves combined to form a red-colored move that impressed the judges and cost Zoey some points. I noticed that a new song played during all of this and I have to say, whether it's the original Japanese song or not, it sounded pretty nice and fit in with the scene very well. Zoey then came up with her own fusion move by having her Glameow use Thunderbolt to charge up Gallade's arms to form of sort of electric-Psycho Cut. Gallade's Psycho Cut and Togekiss and Piplup's fusion move clashed! There was an explosion of course, and then we saw that both Zoey and Dawn lost a huge amount of points. Right before the Pokemon could do much else though, the timer runs out and the battle ends. We saw everyone look anxious right before a winner was declared, and then Zoey was declared the winner since she had a bit more points left. Zoey and her Pokemon exchanged a hug, though Dawn looked very sad as she thanked Piplup and Togekiss for their hard work during the battle.

    Dawn seemed sad, but was able to get over it and feel truly happy for Zoey. Ash and Brock seemed disappointed that Dawn lost, but Johanna merely claimed it was the beginning and not the end. Sure Johanna, sure. Even Jessie was clearly upset that Dawn lost, and she seemed to have given up on Contests for good as she left her old costume behind. Fantina gave Zoey the Ribbon Trophy and the Grand Festival came to a close. After the Contest, Dawn met up with her mom and returned her ribbon which I'm surprised the writer still remembered haha. Nurse Joy then told Ash that Volkner was awaiting him in Sunyshore City, which was a little too convenient. Dawn and Zoey then had a private conversation but were interrupted by Nando who wanted to thank them for the battles. Zoey then left for Snowpoint City and I have to admit, I'm sorry to see her go. Dawn then talked to all her Pokemon and it looks like she hasn't given up on being Top Coordinator yet. Overall, even though the episode ended on a sad note, I think it was 10 times better than the Hoenn and Kanto GF, and it was pretty much perfect. I give it a 10/10 which it deserves :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by J-J-M View Post
    Zoey clearly said Thunderbolt. Dunno where you got Shadow Ball from.
    Clearly? I can't have such bad hearing...
    As far as I'm concerned, I clearly heard the word "ball" in Zoey's command, so I thought that she could only have meant Shadow Ball.
    Well ,I could be mistaken, but even if it was Thunderbolt it at least wasn't very clear.
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    After hearing Fantina say "magnifique!" and "incroyable!" about a million times, I find myself wishing that someone at TPCI had invested in a French dictionary.
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    You know, fans say that Dawn may win the next GF and that may be true but, the sad thing is, we won't see it. If she cameos in BW and says she did win, it won't feel as good as actually seeing her win. That will just blow chunks. The phrase is "show, don't (just) tell."

    And another thing, while Dawn's loss to Zoey allows her character to develop more, she should've been fully developed in time for the Grand Festival by the writers so that she'd win instead of focusing the episodes mostly on fillers and COTDs. Sorry, but I prefer my favorite characters to be fully developed in time to achieve their goals. I just hate open endings that forget to tie up some loose ends sometimes.

    And before you tell me to stop whining about Dawn's loss, let me remind you that this is my opinion, this is a forum where said opinions are allowed to be discussed, agreed with and disagreed with and... well, that's pretty much it.

    P.S. While I hate that Dawn lost, I loved how she made it to the finals and came so close to winning. Zoey may have won and be the better coordinator but she's not my favorite character (I'd like it if she had a more lively personality). Dawn did her very best and I'm glad she did. But if the writers had her win (in the best way possible), I would've jumped for joy and cried in happiness.

    Also I rooted for Dawn as I watched DP177 even though I knew she wouldn't win. I don't switch sides just because the opponent is "better."

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