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The best thing about Fairy-types?

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Is now that hopefully, dragons will now NEVER be worshipped as some godly figures. EVER.

Time for those dragons to climb down the ranks for once and for all.


And yes, I have a personal grudge against dragons, that even though I've raised a Flygon and a Garchomp before and found them useful, I just can't stand them. I HATE DRAGONS. But I don't like Ice-types, which are SE against dragons, either. Ice-types were never really my thing.

It's nice to see lovely Gardevoir getting some additional upgrades. I can imagine being in a happy debate over whether to evolve Kirlia into Gallade or Gardevoir. Maybe I'll just have both of them on my future team.

Gardevoir just got more awesome. Hear that, Wally? GARDEVOIR GOT MORE AWESOME!!

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  1. PhilosophyPhlare's Avatar
    Ice is commonly loved element and pokemon is screwing it over and THAT IS TERRIBLE
  2. Karisse's Avatar
    I do agree Dragons are overused, and there are several with designs I don't really care for (though I also have a few favorites from that type), but I don't hate the type. I don't hate any type, actually. C:

    I will say the new Fairy type is intriguing, though.
  3. Gaga's Avatar
    I love Ice types but I don't exactly fear them getting heavily nerfed by Fairies.
    In my ideal world, Ice types would be SE against and resist Fairy.
  4. Bubble Frog's Avatar
    Just so you know, Fairy-type doesn't auto-nerf Dragons. For example, Fairy/Steel Mawile is still gonna be out ran by most Dragons and eaten by a Sludge Bomb/Iron Head/Tail/Flamethrower/Brick Break/Earthquake. Sylveon likely isn't a speed demon either so simply having a Salamence use Iron Head would more than suffice. Blissey could probably, maybe, and this is a BIG maybe survive a Brick Break from Haxorus. Good luck hitting back though ;>

    Fairy Azumarill, Wigglytuff and Gardevoir? Essentially too slow and too weak to do anything significant to MultiScale Dragonite before getting eaten by ThunderPunch/Thunder/Fire Blast/Flamethrower/Brick Break etc. :P
    Updated 11th June 2013 at 12:25 PM by Bubble Frog
  5. Infinity Edge's Avatar
    [QUOTE=Druddigon;bt286594]Just so you know, Fairy-type doesn't auto-nerf Dragons. For example, Fairy/Steel Mawile is still gonna be out ran by most Dragons and eaten by a Sludge Bomb/Iron Head/Tail/Flamethrower/Brick Break/Earthquake. Sylveon likely isn't a speed demon either so simply having a Salamence use Iron Head would more than suffice. Blissey could probably, maybe, and this is a BIG maybe survive a Brick Break from Haxorus. Good luck hitting back though ;>

    Fairy Azumarill, Wigglytuff and Gardevoir? Essentially too slow and too weak to do anything significant to MultiScale Dragonite before getting eaten by ThunderPunch/Thunder/Fire Blast/Flamethrower/Brick Break etc. :P[/QUOTE]

    Giving Iron Head to Salamence means weakening it, since it would have to drop Hydro Pump and make it useful against what other than Fairy, useful on Ice? Nope, they kill that Salamence outright with Ice Shard, that Salamence does not have STAB. Going against Rock is also not smart, Rock pokemon have high defence and screw up Salamence's Flying type.

    Azumarill is the biggest threat among them, since it super tanky, and even if you would land Thunderpunch, you don't have STAB, neither is Dragonite an Attack stat concentrated pokemon, Azumarill will almost kill it with an Icepunch backed by Huge Power and likely an Ice Gem( And finish with aqua Jet in some cases). If Fairy-typed Azumarill is immune or resists an Outrage and Draco Meteor then Dragons that are against it are f*cked.
    Updated 11th June 2013 at 01:17 PM by Infinity Edge
  6. Ranger Jack Walker's Avatar
    Simply being super effective against dragons won't make then the 'mons to go to if you want to kill dragons. If they are immune to Dragon, then we're talking. Otherwise, not a chance.
  7. Bubble Frog's Avatar
    @Infinity Edge;

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinity Edge
    Giving Iron Head to Salamence means weakening it, since it would have to drop Hydro Pump and make it useful against what other than Fairy, useful on Ice? Nope, they kill that Salamence outright with Ice Shard, that Salamence does not have STAB. Going against Rock is also not smart, Rock pokemon have high defence and screw up Salamence's Flying type.
    What? Who in their right mind has a Salamence running Hydro Pump outside of a rain team? ._. Ice Shard won't be killing a Salamence, that's for sure. EV Bulky-invested Salamence, one of the most common Pokemon competitively won't be subdued by Ice Shard of all things. Especially when said Ice Shard-using Pokemon is likely to get Intimidated and lower Attack anyway. Super-effective or not, Salamence is likely killing said Fairy next turn. Of course Iron Head could be given to Salamence if an actual non-weak and or weak and slow Fairy Pokemon surfaces but that's just coverage more than anything. Any none SE move for what Fairy-type Pokemon we do have can do the job just as easily. Earthquake, the metagame's favorite move. But we don't have any impressive Fairies so far. You do know Rock-types aren't even common choices? Literally the only common Rock-type move is Stone Edge and that still won't fudge up a defensive invested Salamence, the Rock-type is likely getting eaten by Outrage next turn anyway. If Ferrothorn has little more than half its health and over stripped away from a simple Outrage from a Haxorus of all Pokemon, I don't see why any Rock-type would take the move like a champ. Even then the only Rock-type I see in OU that is actually used an attacker is Archeops and they're far and few between.
    Azumarill is the biggest threat among them, since it super tanky, and even if you would land Thunderpunch, you don't have STAB, neither is Dragonite an Attack stat concentrated pokemon, Azumarill will almost kill it with an Icepunch backed by Huge Power and likely an Ice Gem( And finish with aqua Jet in some cases). If Fairy-typed Azumarill is immune or resists an Outrage and Draco Meteor then Dragons that are against it are f*cked.
    What? Azumarill's moves suck, Defensive EV investment or not Dragonite is surely killing it with T-Punch the following turn. Dragonite not an attack concentrated Pokemon? What in the world? 134 Attack power is one of the most lethal stats in-game and highest attack powers. Huge Power or no Huge Power, Azumarill doesn't get stab on Ice Punch and Dragonite has MultiScales anyway so attacking is pointless. Anyone worth their salt knows not to keep an Azumarill in against a Dragonite. No one in their right mind will put an Ice Gem on an Azumarill and Aqua Jet finishing a Dragonite? Azumarill would get walled all day while Dragonite is Roosting and then you're really in a bind because MultiScales once again is keeping you from getting anywhere, that's only assuming Azumarill could do anything to Dragonite which is pretty much impossible. Even if it had an Ice Gem you'd waste an item simply because Ice Punch would be little more than pathetic against MultiScales. Resistance or immunity or not, Dragonite is going to kill Azumarill the next turn anyway more than likely. Fairy-type or no Fairy-type. It isn't the end all be-all to be honest because most of their stats and movepools suck. A weakness to Poison and Steel, the two least used types with what rather mundane Fairies we know of right now only makes life harder for them.
    Updated 11th June 2013 at 03:17 PM by Bubble Frog
  8. Infinity Edge's Avatar
    [QUOTE=Druddigon;bt286622]
    What? Who in their right mind has a Salamence running Hydro Pump outside of a rain team? ._.[/quote]
    Maybe someone who cares about pokemon using special attacks against low sp.defenses, instead of using physical attacks against high defenses.
    [quote]Ice Shard won't be killing a Salamence, that's for sure.[/quote]
    Who sounds funny now, really. Ice Shard, being a 4x SE with STAB, 2 hits it.
    [quote] Bulky-invested Salamence, one of the most common Pokemon competitively won't be subdued by Ice Shard of all things. Especially when said Ice Shard-using Pokemon is likely to get Intimidated and lower Attack. Super-effective or not, Salamence is likely killing said Fairy next turn.Of course Iron Head could be given to Salamence if an actual non-weak and or weak and slow Fairy Pokemon surfaces but that's just coverage more than anything. Any none SE move for what Fairy-type Pokemon we do have can do the job just as easily. Earthquake, the metagame's favorite move. But we don't have any impressive Fairies so far. [/quote]
    You say Azumarill's Icepunch sucks with it's power. How is Iron head not the same? Hydro Pump at least has more power and is useful against ground types who have low sp. def.

    [quote]What? Azumarill's moves suck, Defensive investment or not Dragonite is surely killing it with Thunder/Thunderbolt/Punch the following turn. Dragonite not an attack concentrated Pokemon? What in the world? 134 Attack power is one of the most lethal stats in-game and highest attack powers. Huge Power or no Huge Power, Azumarill doesn't get stab on Ice Punch and Dragonite has MultiScales anyway so attacking is pointless. Anyone worth their salt knows not to keep an Azumarill in against a [I]Dragonite. [/I] No one in their right mind will put an Ice Gem on an Azumarill and Aqua Jet finishing a Dragonite? Azumarill would get walled all day while Dragonite is Roosting and then you're really in a bind because MultiScales once again is keeping you from getting anywhere, that's only assuming Azumarill could do anything to Dragonite which is pretty much impossible. Even if it had an Ice Gem you'd waste an item simply because Ice Punch would be little more than pathetic against MultiScales. Are you really serious? Resistance or immunity or not, Dragonite is going to kill Azumarill the next turn anyway more than likely. Fairy-type or no Fairy-type.[/QUOTE]
    Against such Dragonite, I remember my Haxorus throwing it below 50% health with Outrage, and that was only 2x damage +stab. Anyway let's say that said Azumarill has Sitrus popular on tanks, and the stab-less thunderpuch will leave it at a surviving-another-thunderpuch state. While Dragonite still wont recover to full health after a 4x SE icepunch and Huge Power, I guarantee you.
  9. Bubble Frog's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Infinity Edge
    Maybe someone who cares about pokemon using special attacks against low sp.defenses, instead of using physical attacks against high defenses.
    Again, rarely anyone runs Hydro Pump of all moves on a Salamence unless it's a against a Rain team. Most on OU server just find it easier to use a counter than to use a slot for Hydro Pump of all move, Fire Blast is usually the go-to move for Special Attacking otherwise.
    Who sounds funny now, really. Ice Shard, being a 4x SE with STAB, 2 hits it.
    Again, I'm trying to tell you. Defensive EV Intimidate Salamence doesn't care about Ice Shard at all. Prepare to die to Outrage/Fire Blast next turn. Most Ice-types are crappy defensively as well. I can't think of one good Ice Shard user to combat Salamence except for maybe Mamoswine, you're going to die next turn anyway though.

    You say Azumarill's Icepunch sucks with it's power. How is Iron head not the same? Hydro Pump at least has more power and is useful against ground types who have low sp. def.
    No sane battler is going to run Hydro Pump just to combat Ground-types, Outrage/Draco Meteor is just gonna be the preference for STAB anyway and a likely one-hit KO. Even then Ground-types aren't common and besides, I can't think of one useful Low. Special Defensive Ground-type to use against a Salamence. At all. You'd get murdered on the spot. Iron Head is just a move for Salamence to run if we get some non-pathetic Fairies introduced sooner or later, otherwise non-SE moves will work just fine.

    Ice Punch sucks on Azumarill because for one, attacking MultiScale Dragonite with it will leave little more than a small scratch, you'd essentially will have wasted an Ice Gem and crippled yourself, Azumarill gets zero stab on it. You're essentially dead/walled to death now since Azumarill's moves suck. Especially against DEF EV invested Dragonite of all Pokemon, one of the more common sets.

    Against such Dragonite, I remember my Haxorus throwing it below 50% health with Outrage, and that was only 2x damage +stab.
    Are we speaking competitively? A Haxorus should kill a Dragonite in one hit with Mold Breaker nullifying MultiScale, even then no one in their right mind would keep a Dragonite in against a Mold Breaker Haxorus, that's a direct counter. Less you have a suicide wish.

    Anyway let's say that said Azumarill has Sitrus popular on tanks, and the stab-less thunderpuch will leave it at a surviving-another-thunderpuch state. While Dragonite still wont recover to full health after a 4x SE icepunch and Huge Power, I guarantee you.
    I'm not sure what you mean at all. An Ice Punch will do literally nothing to a healthy MultiScale Dragonite. Putting a Sitrus Berry on an Azumarill is a silly idea, most people use Leftovers. Even then Azumarill is still slow as crap so you're likely dying turn one or two anyway. Assuming Azumarill has a snowball's chance in hell of out running a Dragonite, Dragonite with Leftovers + Roost it will be brand-new as if you did nothing after healing up(Though your attack will do little more than nothing anyway.), good luck trying to do anything after that because you'd be massacred.

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