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So I'm watching the Squirtle Squad episode...

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by , 28th December 2013 at 10:47 AM (730 Views)
and they let them point GUNS at Ash?!? Guns?! Like, not even handguns, like, four entire rifles?!

As you can guess, it's been a while since I've seen this episode (not that I would have cared then, just that I never remembered it happening). You mean to tell me that 4kids left guns in an episode? Maybe I'm misinformed about some other reason, but wasn't the Dratini episode banned because of guns? So...how the hell did these guns get past?

Sometimes I don't understand 4kids' dubbing. The guns pointed at Kaiba and Luffy were inappropriate, but these guns were totally acceptable? Also, Bulbapedia says that in the Japanese version of this episode, Ash stated that Pikachu would die without the Super Potion and that the Squirtle Squad threatened to kill Misty, both of which I kind of guessed were the cases (dying her hair purple? Come on, they could have thought of something a little more threatening, especially since Ash's fantasy had Misty falling into some sort of abyss...). Well in the Charmander episode, Brock flat out said Charmander would die if his flame went out. Plus, there were no discrepancies that the Celebi in 4Ever was dead either. So why is saying that Pikachu would die not okay?

It's not the censorship that's bothering me, it's the inconsistency with the censorship. I've never understood how some things can be okay to say/show sometimes, but not at other times. I've read there were times of casual Misty violence being cut out, whereas other times, it's left in. Or (another thing I forgot about until I saw the episode again a few months ago) Misty's Cross being shown but Zakuro's in Tokyo Mew Mew being edited.

Is there something I'm missing, or not informed about? If so, by all means, feel free to explain it to me.

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  1. The Power of Pika's Avatar
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    I kind of think the dratini episode was banned for how much gun use there was and how they were used. The episodes that left the guns in and did make it in the 4kids version usually had one scene and usually it was maturely handled.

    I saw the Dratini episode in japanese and that warden was very gun happy. I can see why it was banned considering America would be worried about their kids copying. If it's a short enough scene that's forgettable or a scene showing the seriousness of it but still short it's not so bad. You can sometimes get those past the censorship.

    However the Dratini episode practically had a gun happy warden who aimed the gun at Ash's head from the word go. Then team rocket does the same thing to the warden. The warden even at one point fired at team rocket in a comedic way.
    There's more gun use in this episode than any other Pokemon episode.

    It's a shame because I really like the episode but I understand the reasoning.

    That said there's another episode with a scene of a gun left intact that made it on air. Watch Pokémon Paparazzi in kanto series. Ash mistakes Tod's camera for a gun at the beginning and imagines a gun being fired shooting Misty and Brock. Misty's holding her side and brock's holding his chest in Ash's imagination implying being shot.

    Most violent scene I saw in the dub outside of Ash's freaking out and punching Pikachu out of the way.^-^;;;;;

    Coincidentally it's one of the few 4kids episodes where the riceballs are actually called riceballs. I actually liked how the episode didn't try to beat around the bush.

    I do agree that the inconsistancies are a bit odd with other changes and edits. The mentioning of death in some and not in others is one that always confused me. Also confusing why Pokemon was edited and changed on things that other cartoons around that time were actually keeping or doing.=/

    I don't let it worry me though even if I find it confusing. I enjoy it for what it is.
  2. Team Gaara's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pikaminccino
    I kind of think the dratini episode was banned for how much gun use there was and how they were used. The episodes that left the guns in and did make it in the 4kids version usually had one scene and usually it was maturely handled.

    I saw the Dratini episode in japanese and that warden was very gun happy. I can see why it was banned considering America would be worried about their kids copying. If it's a short enough scene that's forgettable or a scene showing the seriousness of it but still short it's not so bad. You can sometimes get those past the censorship.

    However the Dratini episode practically had a gun happy warden who aimed the gun at Ash's head from the word go. Then team rocket does the same thing to the warden. The warden even at one point fired at team rocket in a comedic way.
    There's more gun use in this episode than any other Pokemon episode.

    It's a shame because I really like the episode but I understand the reasoning.

    That said there's another episode with a scene of a gun left intact that made it on air. Watch Pokémon Paparazzi in kanto series. Ash mistakes Tod's camera for a gun at the beginning and imagines a gun being fired shooting Misty and Brock. Misty's holding her side and brock's holding his chest in Ash's imagination implying being shot.

    Most violent scene I saw in the dub outside of Ash's freaking out and punching Pikachu out of the way.^-^;;;;;

    Coincidentally it's one of the few 4kids episodes where the riceballs are actually called riceballs. I actually liked how the episode didn't try to beat around the bush.

    I do agree that the inconsistancies are a bit odd with other changes and edits. The mentioning of death in some and not in others is one that always confused me. Also confusing why Pokemon was edited and changed on things that other cartoons around that time were actually keeping or doing.=/

    I don't let it worry me though even if I find it confusing. I enjoy it for what it is.
    That's understandable. I can get that. And it doesn't bother me. If figured they left the guns in since no one actually got shot or something. I just don't understand why other moments of gun usage in 4kids dubbed shows, like in One Piece and Yu-gi-oh had their guns edited. Those shows were so much more mature than Pokemon, that it makes less sense to me to keep a gun in Pokemon but edit it out in those shows.

    And like you said, guns were in other kids shows. Looney Toons is pretty know for its gun humor, which is kinda what the Dratini episode was doing and kids the same age and younger watch that. Guess it just depends.

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