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Misty's *Bad Writing* (or lack there of.).

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by , 31st March 2013 at 04:17 PM (4155 Views)
I noticed a lot of people dislike her for many reasons. Some of them even contradict each other!! Here we go:

"Misty had no development, Togepi killed her"

Misty did have development, she got more calm. She had a freaking BABY in her arms! What did you expect?

"Misty's Pokemon weren't all that strong"

Neither are Ash's Oshawott, Iris's Axew, etc.

"Misty got more and more boring, shes not tempered like back then"

Then... how can you say she has NO development?

"It's BADLY done development!!"

...I dont think I need to explain this one

"Misty didn't do enough"

She did about as much as a sidekick character could do, and the things she did were significant. Quality is not quantity.

"Psyduck handed her wins!"

No mention of Super Skitty? Also, Dragonite hands wins to Iris, only it's not funny like Psyduck. Same thing with general deus exes.


(*sigh* Misty just can't win, can she?)

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Updated 31st March 2013 at 04:24 PM by Misty Calls Masquerain

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  1. Bubble Frog's Avatar
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    Neither are Ash's Oshawott, Iris's Axew, etc.
    Oshawott is definitely strong and Axew learned Outrage and knocked out a Pokemon in one hit, as forced as it was. He's a somewhat decent battler now.

    "Psyduck handed her wins!"

    No mention of Super Skitty? Also, Dragonite hands wins to Iris, only it's not funny like Psyduck. Same thing with general deus exes.
    Dragonite hasn't handed Iris any wins, it hasn't won't any battles under her command thus far. Skitty's win over Jynx was perfectly legit, it's not as if Assist called forth the very move she needed every time.
  2. CrackFox's Avatar
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    She really can't win. Don't let the haters get you down. We know the truth :b
  3. speedingbulletbill's Avatar
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    Disagree on Dragonite, agree on Skitty (I still have nightmares about that Dusclops match).

    Hi there, Torterra.

    Also agreed on development, it was subtle.

    Nb4thefightingmist
  4. Hidden Mew's Avatar
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    I noticed a lot of people dislike her for many reasons. Some of them even contradict each other!! Here we go:

    "Misty had no development, Togepi killed her"

    Misty did have development, she got more calm. She had a freaking BABY in her arms! What did you expect?
    She could have actually done something with Togepi instead of carrying it around in her arms.

    "Misty's Pokemon weren't all that strong"

    Neither are Ash's Oshawott, Iris's Axew, etc.
    That's not really a good defense in my opinion. Ash's Oshawott is definitely strong and certainly stronger than most of the Pokemon Misty had on her during her run. Iris's Axew isn't really strong in my opinion either, but that doesn't change that Misty's Pokemon were generally weak or decent battlers at best.

    "Misty got more and more boring, shes not tempered like back then"

    Then... how can you say she has NO development?

    "It's BADLY done development!!"

    ...I dont think I need to explain this one
    While I'm not sure if I'd consider Misty getting calmer badly done development, it wasn't really good either. It was just a slight change to her personality, but nothing really drastic that made her look like a stronger person.

    "Misty didn't do enough"

    She did about as much as a sidekick character could do, and the things she did were significant. Quality is not quantity.
    Quality is more important than quantity in most cases, but Misty's actions during time on the show weren't really that significant or good in quality in my opinion.

    "Psyduck handed her wins!"

    No mention of Super Skitty? Also, Dragonite hands wins to Iris, only it's not funny like Psyduck. Same thing with general deus exes.
    People have complained about Dragonite handing Iris victories during the Junior Cup, even though it hasn't won anything for her after listening to her. As for Skitty, Assist didn't always give what she wanted. May did earn some cheap wins and so did Dawn for that matter, but that doesn't change how Psyduck gave Misty some cheap wins.

    I can see that you really like Misty and that's perfectly fine, but regardless of how one feels about her, I don't think that anyone feels like she was handled perfectly fine. She did suffer from bad writing. I'm completely indifferent towards her and even I can recognize that she was full of wasted potential.
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  5. pokemon fan 132's Avatar
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    Ah yes Misty, the never ending controversy in pokemon fandom. Its not so much that Misty is disliked for bad writing, contrary to anti side belief so did May, Dawn or Iris suffered from bad writing too(something such side conveniently turn blind eye to it). But more that certain individuals simply can't stand character personality, pokemon, storyline or fact that she has such strong following with so many people wanting her back.

    If anything this should serve as proof to certain members of fandom how everything isn't in quantity, but quality and amount of value someone brought to show.

    And Misty arguably brought just as much on table, if not even more than other girls did since she beside her plots and story directly influenced plot of main protagonist and story of this anime in general. She served as catalyst through which Ash developed as trainer helping him to stand on two feet when starting out, often saved his and other people ass, took initiative in her hands preventing natural disasters caused by pokemon or human factor. Played fun subrole in many episodes bringing strong identity and charisma through her string presence not being dependent on structured plots like contests to give viewer impression that someone is active.
    Along with having strongest personality out of all female companions imo bringing lot pf sarcasm, clash, comedy and conflict in main cast with her dreaming and romantic side adding extra flavor to group dynamics providing anime with extra twist through her insecure and shy outbursts not being your typical tsundere you can see on daily basis in other cartoons.

    Along with having her motives and desires, quest of becoming water master, versatile and interesting line up of pokemon she collected during travels,sad and easy to relate background which greatly shaped in what person she became and development .

    Granted May and Dawn had advantage of being more fleshed out as characters, received more development regarding their stories etc, but way i see it Misty get fairly believable growth in character sense happening gradually and in correlation with her own dreams and story. When Misty matured in Johto and afterwards in chronicles she was still spunky, strong willed not taking crap from anyone and playful having her quirks but she also became less insecure and aggressive reflecting growth through which she went as character learning how to be more tolerant which can be manifested in growing attached to pokemon she disliked like Psyduck, or appreciating friendship with Ash and Brock opening and softening toward them being like her new family(family which brought sense of security and moral support which she never received from her sisters). Became more responsible taking gym back on right track and preventing it from being shut down developing sense of obligation and levelheaded proving to be positive for character when getting over issue of feeling less worthy compared to sisters stepping out of their shadow when traveling with Ash and Brock helping others like Sakura about same problem. Learned how to bond better with water pokemon and resolve tough situations, independent not needing other friends help to solve things on her own, overcome childhood trauma from Gyarados etc,

    While finding right balance between her tough and serene, more sensitive side.

    Misty was definitely important and one of most memorable characters in this show, and while its painfully obvious how she was never used to full potential, and how development she received wasn't made in coherent, consecutive manner i can still say how there was definitely alot more top like than dislike about character being only writer to blame for not recognizing potential this character has.

    As such as every said character fan naturally i would like to see her back to experience that strong dynamic she brought to show, get update and see her in action as well expand more on her past and story being left unfinished as character.
  6. Pokémon Master Ash's Avatar
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    Even if Misty was subjected to "bad writing," I felt regardless of that she was actually an[I] interesting[/I] character and had a lot of [I]personality[/I]. I prefer that to someone like, I don't know...Dawn. I'd say Misty had subtle development over a long period of time that was shown very well in the latter end of Johto (too bad the writers have never been good at giving chars goodbyes).

    While I do agree Dawn had some very nice focus, was a unique character, and had solid development, I always felt bored out of my mind trying to focus on what she was doing. Sure she's nicer than Iris was at the beginning of BW, but she came off as a very dull character to me. Just...boring. No real spark to her emotions or expression of those feelings that came off as believable.

    In contrast, Misty may not have been as well developed, but she was certainly more enthusiastic and outwardly emotional: in a believable way. Sure, she was mean sometimes, but you could always see her soft side in each action and that she was trying to help Ash mature and start out. However, she grew along the way while traveling with Ash and Brock. Misty is my favorite Pokegirl because I feel her growth was the most unique and varied, but yet she had the right balance of meanness and yet kindness needed to create a well-balanced, fluid character.

    In conclusion, I don't think Misty suffered from "Bad Writing." Sure, if all you care about are characters in battles you can play on your game console anytime, I guess she had bad writing. If you care for characters that are unique and you admire for their flaws, yet genuine nature and expression, that's what I also look for myself. I think her writing was solid. Shaky and rough at a few spots, but solid for the most part. :)
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  7. The Fighting Misty's Avatar
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    Do what I do and divide Misty into different eras:

    Kanto/Orange Misty = interesting

    Johto Misty = not really interesting (beyond the few eps she did get)

    AG Misty = OK.
  8. Pokémon Master Ash's Avatar
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    [QUOTE=The Fighting Misty;bt279905]Do what I do and divide Misty into different eras:

    Kanto/Orange Misty = interesting

    Johto Misty = not really interesting (beyond the few eps she did get)

    AG Misty = OK.[/QUOTE]

    Understandable. I've noticed it depends on what arc it is that determines how much I like each particular character in said region.

    Personally, the only two characters who haven't grown stale on me and I feel actually grew overall over the course of the entire series from OS-BW are Misty and May. XD.
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  9. The Fighting Misty's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by EmotionalTensionPKMN
    Understandable. I've noticed it depends on what arc it is that determines how much I like each particular character in said region.

    Personally, the only two characters who haven't grown stale on me and I feel actually grew overall over the course of the entire series from OS-BW are Misty and May. XD.
    I do the same with any character. With Brock I didn't care for him in DP at all, but I don't let that version of Brock affect my judgement of what he was like at the start of the show.

    Same with TR and Ash really. It basically depends which portion of the series we're on changes my opinion of the characters. I may like a character in one saga but think they're boring in the next for example.
  10. pokemon fan 132's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Fighting Misty
    Do what I do and divide Misty into different eras:

    Kanto/Orange Misty = interesting

    Johto Misty = not really interesting (beyond the few eps she did get)

    AG Misty = OK.
    Eh i guess it all depends on personal taste and what you find to be interesting. Personally i had no problems with Misty in Johto. While she could have used more growth and in quite a few episodes she was sidelined unfortunately, i can say she still had several memorable moments coming of as very energetic, adventurous character. More so in beginning of Johto and Master Quest, but still point stands having strong personality and some good growth becoming more confident and advancing as water trainer.


    As for AG i enjoyed in Misty characterization just as much as i did in Kanto, Orange. I liked more mature, prideful not added to character definitely growing as trainer and person from early days while still being playful, sarcastic and full of spunk enjoying in her interactions with older sisters, Tracey, Sakura, or Ash and Max in appearances.

    p.s. Either way i have to agree with EmotionalTensionPKMN. Because looking back i definitely feel May and Misty were only characters which grew in actual, more notable way while keeping their charm after maturity remaining interesting and more experienced.
  11. The Fighting Misty's Avatar
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    AG Misty was fine, but then again we only did see her for a few eps.

    Mastermind Misty was slightly out of character but I blame the bad dub for that and not the Japanese writers. Even if the whole Mastermind special even in Japanese seemed off...I wonder if we ever got confirmation that 4kids writers co-wrote that special before they knew they dub was going to PUSA.
  12. pokemon fan 132's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Fighting Misty
    AG Misty was fine, but then again we only did see her for a few eps.

    Mastermind Misty was slightly out of character but I blame the bad dub for that and not the Japanese writers. Even if the whole Mastermind special even in Japanese seemed off...I wonder if we ever got confirmation that 4kids writers co-wrote that special before they knew they dub was going to PUSA.
    Sometimes few episodes are enough to determine whether character changed for better or worse though, and when taking in account chronicles too i can say i really enjoyed in her character there showing to still have that fire in herself and potential.

    Speaking of Mastermind special while i disliked dub, can't say i noticed her out of character though. She was still playfully teasing Ash and Brock, joked with them and showing of reminding him of days when they used to travel together having that small competition between them with arguing, when battling etc. She was portrayed as confident, fiery and full of flare being passionate about battling.

    Perhaps dialogue could've been better, but way Misty behaved seemed pretty much within character there.
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  13. Pokémon Master Ash's Avatar
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    LOL. Remember this line in Mastermind:

    May: "Sometimes I CAN do the right thing."

    Wow...just wow. Terrible writing.
  14. speedingbulletbill's Avatar
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    From Misty: "Ash you are my rival!" (forgot the exact wording)

    Not as bad as May's, though.
  15. pokemon fan 132's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by stickerstaryoshi
    From Misty: "Ash you are my rival!" (forgot the exact wording)

    Not as bad as May's, though.
    About that line not even sure whats controversial about it. Because Misty and Ash when they traveled always had certain competitive fire going on between them acting at times like rivals in "character sense".
  16. speedingbulletbill's Avatar
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    It's not really bad, just kind of weird coming out of her mouth.

    Then again, it might have also been the delivery of the line.
  17. pokemon fan 132's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by stickerstaryoshi
    It's not really bad, just kind of weird coming out of her mouth.

    Then again, it might have also been the delivery of the line.
    Not sure, because it never came across as weird when i watched it. I viewed it as simple teasing out of endearment/throwback to past when they used to argue or compete when still traveling together.

    Misty claiming how she is Ash rival actually went in correlation with original series where she at times considered him as rival in friendly manner, picking up on him and wanting to prove that she was better as trainer.

    She always liked to rib on others being spunky and outgoing, and i believe some of us are looking deeper into this than what it was really expected to be.

    Personally i enjoyed in Misty interactions with Ash and Brock in special, May as well building on friendship and she definitely had more tolerable voice than Ash, Brock or May.

    Maybe its just me but aside from dreadful voices i actually liked this special.
  18. The Fighting Misty's Avatar
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    The Mastermind special was terrible. Too bad Misty's last appearance was wasted on something that was so poor.
  19. speedingbulletbill's Avatar
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    I agree only if you're talking about the voices.
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  20. Pokémon Master Ash's Avatar
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    [QUOTE=The Fighting Misty;bt280712]The Mastermind special was terrible. Too bad Misty's last appearance was wasted on something that was so poor.[/QUOTE]
    Agreed. That Mastermind Special isn't even canon to me. :)
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