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Welcome to ★stickerstaryoshi's☆ first ever blog entry! I've decided to do this after being inspired by certain blogs, but I digress. (Huh, this seemed so much easier before I actually started writing.)

Why The First Five Seasons of Pokemon Are The Very Best, Like No One Ever Was! (Part 1?) - Tentative Title

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Inspired by: pokemon fan 132

We all know how the anime has changed since 2002, and not necessarily for the better, either. I'll explain as I go along. I didn't have much time to finish, so I just settled for splitting this into at least 2 parts, hope no one minds.

~~~Characters~~~

Ash started off as a naive, optimistic kid. It was quite funny to watch him make a fool of himself. Then throughout OI, and Johto, he matured, while still keeping traces of his old personality. Many people admire Hoenn for having a "mature" Ash, but not only did Johto do it first, but it did it better. He wasn't learning lessons that he had already learned back in Kanto, unlike in Season 6+. To add to that, Johto still had him as a real character, instead of the "OMGILOVEPOKEMONLETSBATTLE" stereotyped shonen cliche he would later become.

Misty. Like I said above:

Misty was a temperamental girl who had a nice side
But there was more to her than that. For starters, she had to deal with living in the shadows of her sisters, making her more sympathetic than the average "tsundere". Like Ash, she developed throughout the course of OI and Johto, becoming more mature and less impatient, though still keeping traces of her personality. She kinda had to be patient, considering she was dealing with two babies (Ash and Togepi) :P . I don't think Togepi destroyed her character at all, in fact, Togepi was one of the best things to happen to her. Togepi forced the writers to explore other traces of her personality instead of always using her angry side. In addition, she was more motherly, and didn't conform to stereotypical gender standards. Yes, she was feminine, but not too girly. Now for (nearly) everyone's favorite black gym leader...no, not Lenora...

Brock! He is perhaps my favorite of the three, despite what would happen to him later on. It was funny and ironic to see a caretaker like Brock being completely serious, only to do a complete 180 when he saw a girl, usually resulting in him either getting dragged away by Misty, or REJECTED. Many will also say that Brock didn't change, but I disagree. Like Brock, the changes are just subtle. At first, he was completely serious (though compassionate), but by GCYL, he had learned to let himself feel sad in front of his friends (usually his crying was played for laughs), and he got a little less serious. Minor changes, but still development regardless.

With this kind of group dynamic, you'd think they'd stick around for quite a while, right? They really seemed inseparable and irreplaceable, but sadly, it didn't last. Misty leaving was perhaps the biggest mistake the anime has made, and probably always will be. Yes, even more than the voice change (at least that only affected the English dub). Since Misty left, character interactions have went downhill, and so have the characters themselves. None of the people who came in afterwards have been nearly as good as her (although I'm fine with Iris). And now, in BW, Brock is gone, this time for good. Without Misty to turn to, Brock got more and more flanderized, same with Ash, who got more and more boring.

~~~Plot Details, and how Pokemon Compares to Other Media~~~

Everyone who's kept up with the anime for at least a while knows what happens at the start of each generation, and what will happen in the next: Ash leaves his friends behind and replaces them with other people, he leaves all of his Pokemon behind except for Pikachu. This might have been okay had it only happened ONCE, but sadly, that's not the case. It just makes it that much harder to invest in the characters, knowing they're soon going to have to leave. Instead of just relying on the reset button as a cop out, they should work with what they have and make their characters better. Making a "fresh start" isn't ADDRESSING the problem, it's just covering it up (very thinly, I might add), and adding new problems, too. What good is character investment when they'll fall victim to the endless cycle? This is an indirect example of Misty leaving affecting the anime negatively.

I will never get why they had to replace Misty and Brock to begin with, it just doesn't work. By now, we're all so used to it that it hardly affects us anymore, but for me, it's still not right. To give you an idea of what I mean, imagine a Mickey Mouse series without Pluto, or even Goofy. It MIGHT work, but it just feels off. Even if they did get stale, why not redeem them? After all, they managed to make Dawn more entertaining (despite her unsatisfying cameo), why couldn't they do the same with Misty or Brock? Other shows keep the same characters and do just fine. Granted, they sometimes get derailed, but is the alternative (character replacement) really much better?

Another thing people like to point out is that we are not the target audience, and that they are only writing for kids. If that's the case, why are they bringing back old characters in BW? Why have cameos at all? Why did they show the Misty lure back in DP? Did they just choose randomly? (Personally, I think it was a desperate ratings trap, and it worked too :P ). Other kids shows have something for everyone, and so did Pokemon - for a time. My Little Pony (which I don't watch) is for little girls, but the creators are apparently actively working to please the adult male demographic (bronies). Heck, grown men are buying the toys, which people say they won't do for Pokemon. If you can get grown men to buy MLP toys, why not Pokemon, right?

For a more gender-neutral example, Animaniacs, Tiny Toons, Looney Tunes, Rocko's Modern Life, etc. were for kids, but still had adult references so that EVERYONE can enjoy. Even today, people still love these shows, because they just hold up. I don't think I've seen a single person complain about any of those shows. In the long run, aiming for as wide of an audience as possible is beneficial to ratings, reputation, and the like. If Pokemon didn't limit itself to a kid audience and actually address their problems, it could have the same critical reception as the ones mentioned above.

~~~Rivalries (aka Gary was here, Paul and Trip are LOSERS!!!)~~~

We all know Gary Oak, right? Yes? Then I'll just get into the rivalry. His rivalry with Ash was GREAT. Every single time he appeared, he taunted Ash and got an angered reaction out of him, and it was always funny. Then we have Paul, who is loved by most of the fandom. In my honest opinion? He's boring, and so is the rivalry. He's powerful, yes, but he really has no personality. His backstory was sad, but it was pretty hard to feel sorry for him. Perhaps if he wasn't a douche to everyone he met, and wasn't a cardboard cutout, this wouldn't be the case. It does seem original on the surface, but when you actually witness it, it's just an overglorified "COTD is being mean to his Pokemon" subplot drawn out for almost 200 episodes! The actual rivalry was nothing more than "Ash and Paul meet up, Ash tries to be nice to him, Paul acts like a douche, Ash gets all whiny", each and every time. At that point, Ash was also boring, so it made the rivalry even more unengaging. Now Trip...he's at least little more interesting than Paul. So what's my problem with his rivalry? Ash. He really doesn't react to what Trip says or does, just shrugs it off. The rivalry might be somewhat more engaging if Ash played his role in it correctly, but he pretty much just goes through the motions here. Also, the writers have yet again attempted to "freshen" things up by making him a rookie trainer, resulting in, you guessed it, a ton of complaints (this, coupled with Ash's regression, did not help matters at all).

So, yeah, Gary >>>>>> Trip >>>>>> Paul.

The winner is Gary Oak!!!

~~~Emotion~~~

I'm sure this is no contest, OS has much more genuine emotion than the rest. For example, Pikachu's Goodbye had Ash thinking of leaving Pikachu, thinking that it would be better for him to stay in the forest with all the other Pikachu than continue on with him. Now, we all knew that Pikachu wouldn't actually leave, but seeing Ash get all choked up when about to abandon his first Pokemon, and Pikachu wanting to stay with him - it's enough to make anyone feel for him. In Snow Way Out, we had Ash about to freeze to death, and trying to get Pikachu into his ball so he wouldn't share the same fate, but he refuses to stay in, despite the weather condition. Then, soon enough, his Pokemon all come out to warm him up. That alone showed how strong his bond with Pikachu - and his other Pokemon - is. This hasn't really been explored in newer series (the Ash + Pikachu bond in particular is now nothing more than "just take out word for it okay?").

Ash and co. were not the only one who could provide emotion - Team Rocket could, too! In Go West Young Meowth, we saw how Meowth learned to talk in order to impress Meowsie, a female Meowth, but it only led to her looking down on him as a Persian swept him off his feet, leading him to hate the Persian species. Who wouldn't feel sorry for him after that? Jessie and James have pretty sad backstories, too. Later on in Chronicles/AG/DP, the new backstory additions caused timeline errors/plotholes, but back then, there was no problem.

~~~Leagues~~~

You know something else that was better back then? The leagues. The Indigo League was a tournament (I like the anime's approach on the "after-badge quest"), but there was more to it than just the battles. This league was more of a culmination of Ash's journey, featuring his friends, as well as league-only rivals. Many didn't like how he lost, and while it was frustrating, it made sense from an in-universe perspective. It wasn't as bad as a lot of what would come after...

Next, the Orange League. Instead of just a battle tournament, the viewers found Ash doing various sports (racing, mountain climbing, etc.), with some battles inbetween. After he got the 4 OI badges, he then fought Drake (and won!). THIS was not only a nice change of pace, but he actually won a league! Not a main region league, but still.

The Silver Conference was great as well, it finally gave the Ash vs Gary rivalry sone closure, and it showed how far Ash had come. I considered this a return to form after the OI format (not that I had anything against it). He lost to Harrison's Blaziken with Charizard (who listened, at least), but at least it was a fair fight.

Hoenn League: It wasn't that bad, but not that good either. All of the other competitiors were just random people (I even count Morrison and Tyson because they appeared too late), didn't help that Ash had no rival. It got boring seeing just the Hoenn Pokemon, and the way Ash lost was pretty unsatisfying. Nothing really stood out to me besides the Meowth in boots.

Sinnoh League: Weak. It started off pretty lame, with Ash's battle with Nando (I honestly forgot about this guy) being skimmed through by Team Rocket (did they REALLY need to be in this episode?). It got better later on, although I thought the AvP 3-parter was too drawn out. Then all of a sudden, Tobias randomly appeared. No background, no personality, nothing, he was just a guy with 2 (not one, but TWO!!) legendaries, created only to beat Ash. As bad as that sounds, it's still better than...

Unova League: We've all seen it, we all hated it. This does not need explaining.

So that's it for now.

Oh, and before ANYONE pulls out the nostalgia card, note that I still like Super Mario Bros, Legend of Zelda, etc. - things from my CHILDHOOD. In fact, Super Mario Galaxy is among my favorite games. If I was really "nostalgic", wouldn't I hate this game?

Withdraw all nostalgia cards please.

~stickerstaryoshi

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  1. The Fighting Misty's Avatar
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    None of the Pokemon human character sendoff's have ever been all that great. Even Misty was gone before the first commercial break of GCYL.
  2. speedingbulletbill's Avatar
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    I'm not really sure what more you expected. It got the point across.
  3. The Fighting Misty's Avatar
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    The same could be said for every character then. I'm sure when Iris and Cilan leave they won't make a big deal out of it either.
  4. speedingbulletbill's Avatar
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    The point is, she still had the best departure.
  5. The Fighting Misty's Avatar
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    Probably because she was the first major character to leave. Prior to that Brock was only gone for like 30 episodes, and Tracey was short lived.

    They also probably wanted everyone to know right from the start that Misty's departure was going to be more permanent than Brock's hence why it was given bigger focus. In comparison they didn't have much time as right before her last episode was the Johto league so they needed to set up her reason to leave and then do it all in the same episode.

    If they removed that crap Hoenn Alone filler than perhaps Misty's departure and the tail end of Johto wouldn't have been so rushed.
  6. Zexy's Avatar
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    Your points are right, but I think that you are only showing off the one side of the coin. OS had lots of problems (the most important IMO being that the writers were tooo inexperienced to let Ash win against the first Gym Leaders, thus giving him 4 badges out of chores). The first Pokemon League was also a hindrance (even though, I have to admit, Johto League was nice).

    OS had the biggest percentage of Filler Episodes (Johto was a 50%!). Seasons 3 and 4 were just un-watchable (I have to admit once again, Master Quest was okay). Still, Misty/Brock didn't do as many things as May/Dawn did with their Contests, or Iris/Cilan with all those 16-man tournaments popping up. Even the Whirl Cup they pulled off was lackluster.

    And I have to disagree to the reboot part, Ash dumped 6 Pokemon during this series (Butterfree, Pidgeot, Lapras, Kanto Starters). Not counting Haunters/Raticates/Larvitars...
    That didn't dissapear, but dimmed out in the future (only Torkoal, Glalie, Gliscor and Ambipom were thrown off...)

    That is, we can't claim that one season is the BEST, and one another is the WORST, because both me and you are pretty much able to write huge essays praising/trolling all four seasons.

    At least, it's nice to see that you are backing up your opinion, instead of relying on nostalgia to work you out :-P
  7. Pokémon Master Ash's Avatar
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    [QUOTE=BlueWartortle;bt277247]

    That is, we can't claim that one season is the BEST, and one another is the WORST, because both me and you are pretty much able to write huge essays praising/trolling all four seasons.

    At least, it's nice to see that you are backing up your opinion, instead of relying on nostalgia to work you out :-P[/QUOTE]

    I agree with you. See, we can have a favorite and least favorite season, but objectively there is NO difference between any of the saga and one's superiority to another. Everyone has different tastes about what they like to see, and that reflects in their favorite and least favorite arcs. I like to see Ash as a cute, believable 10 year old boy who's a knucklehead at heart, James going "Eueueueueuehaoh!" and getting bossed around by Jessie, Meowth tagging along with James and being goofballs, and Jessie being the competent head of TRio. XD.
  8. speedingbulletbill's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueWartortle
    Your points are right, but I think that you are only showing off the one side of the coin. OS had lots of problems (the most important IMO being that the writers were tooo inexperienced to let Ash win against the first Gym Leaders, thus giving him 4 badges out of chores).
    Those kind of badges broke up the norm. Also, if they're backed up by a good storyline, why not?

    The first Pokemon League was also a hindrance (even though, I have to admit, Johto League was nice).
    Better than coughTobiascough or the Unova League, period.

    OS had the biggest percentage of Filler Episodes (Johto was a 50%!). Seasons 3 and 4 were just un-watchable (I have to admit once again, Master Quest was okay).
    To me, they were good filler episodes. There was no excessive training, no random shoehorning of Team Rocket, etc.

    Still, Misty/Brock didn't do as many things as May/Dawn did with their Contests, or Iris/Cilan with all those 16-man tournaments popping up. Even the Whirl Cup they pulled off was lackluster.
    How was the Whirl Cup lackluster? I just thought it was maybe a bit overdue. Also, more screentime does not automatically mean better, in fact, too much screentime might be WORSE!

    And I have to disagree to the reboot part, Ash dumped 6 Pokemon during this series (Butterfree, Pidgeot, Lapras, Kanto Starters). Not counting Haunters/Raticates/Larvitars...
    That's not really the same as dumping all but one to head to a whole new region. Also, he had his reasons to leave them behind.


    At least, it's nice to see that you are backing up your opinion, instead of relying on nostalgia to work you out :-P
    You get props for not using nostalgia as a defense.
    Updated 10th July 2013 at 12:22 PM by speedingbulletbill
  9. Zexy's Avatar
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    Answer to stickerstaryoshi:

    The badges norm should not be broken. You have to WIN OFFICIAL gym battles to get them, like it or not!
    And Unova League at least had some rival battles, including 6v6s. Kanto had to introduce characters out of nowhere, and is the only time we got no 6v6! Not to mention Charizard the Ashbreaker.
    Fillers may be okay. but they take lots of time out the series. They could invest all this time to some better Misty Development. Which brings us to the Whirl Cup. Trinity ex Machina is the exact same with Tobias. If you can't stand one of the best Leagues because of a single Tobias, how can you do so with Whirl Cup?
    Also, I am not talking about Pokemon dumping at the start of the series, but right within the middle. I even mentioned which ones.

    And yeah, I don't care about anime nostalgia. What's important to me is that OS animation is unbearable today...
  10. speedingbulletbill's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueWartortle
    Answer to stickerstaryoshi:

    The badges norm should not be broken. You have to WIN OFFICIAL gym battles to get them, like it or not!
    And Unova League at least had some rival battles, including 6v6s. Kanto had to introduce characters out of nowhere, and is the only time we got no 6v6! Not to mention Charizard the Ashbreaker.
    Fillers may be okay. but they take lots of time out the series. They could invest all this time to some better Misty Development. Which brings us to the Whirl Cup. Trinity ex Machina is the exact same with Tobias. If you can't stand one of the best Leagues because of a single Tobias, how can you do so with Whirl Cup?
    Also, I am not talking about Pokemon dumping at the start of the series, but right within the middle. I even mentioned which ones.

    And yeah, I don't care about anime nostalgia. What's important to me is that OS animation is unbearable today...
    He proved himself, didn't he? If norms of anything are never broken, it causes repetition. And again, the gym battles where he didn't win via battle were backed up with good storyline, it's not just "gym battle after gym battle"
    Which were done poorly, and filled with DEM after DEM. Also, the Kanto League didn't have a lame filler in it. As for Charizard, it was supposed to be unfair to Ash. We also got no 6v5. I don't like Ritchie much either, but from a storytelling standpoint, it's not that bad.
    Considering Ruby and Sapphire wouldn't be announced for a while, they didn't exactly have much to work with. Could the direction have been betetr? Yes. Were the fillers being put out enjoyable? Yes. Also, Misty did get development, it was subtle. Trinity didn't send out a legendary Water type, did she? Also, it's just my opinion, but even without Tobias, the Sinnoh League still wouldn't have been top for me (unless maybe he won, that is).
    Butterfree - Was in love
    Pidgeot - Had to protect the Pidgey and Pidgeotto
    Lapras - Has a family
    Kanto Starters - Squirtle Squad/training in Charicific Valley (out-of-universe reason: Charizard was too overpowered)/Ambassador
    Updated 18th March 2013 at 10:02 AM by speedingbulletbill
  11. The Fighting Misty's Avatar
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    Speaking of Trinity, she really a really bland rival. She was literally introduced 2 minutes before Misty battled her, no build up or anything. Not surprised she lost the Whirl Cup too to that random kid at the end.
  12. pokemon fan 132's Avatar
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    I just had to bring this up:

    Quote Originally Posted by The Fighting Misty
    The last episode of AG was a 2-parter. If you look at the whole last two episodes of the final Contest with Sceptile Vs. Blaziken and Ash/May splitting the ribbon, showing that May learned all she could from Ash and it was time for her to go off on her own, it was a fitting conclusion. Especially since she also got another episode prior to that which established her role with Drew and Harley and that they were going to Johto.
    Main issue i have with this departure was lack of emotion or characterization put in it, with there not existing true spirit of friendship between Ash and his traveling companions who passed through lot together having to split up.

    Departure just felt tasteless and incomplete imo lacking impact and that certain charm Misty and Brock departure at end of Johto evoked.

    They still get a lot of episodes outside of their main focused episodes. What about all those episodes where Dawn and Cilan tag battle with Ash? Or those numerous May/Max type fillers we got in Hoenn? Even the episodes that deal with their pokemon or rivals happened frequently.
    Yet when people talk about Misty focus outside of water based episode centered around her in Johto you often seem to ignore them acting like she only got something to do in 10 to 15 episodes with rest of Johto spending as nothing more than background token girl ?
    Which was far from true.

    Additionally im not sure why you often say how her personality was "flanderized" there when it was obvious how she showed plenty of life and characteristics unique for her in there being snarky, feisty and passionate often taking initiative to start things rolling.
    If anything we actually saw more of her personality being expanded and explored whether its sarcastic inputs, various jokes she came up with, passionate love and dedication toward battling and water types,spunk, more of her insecure side being given more substance as character.

    I guess you can say she became less impulsive, but as we can see after departure that was sign of maturity ad character increase in confidence being result of her growth just like it was case with May or Ash. Growth which should have been better performed on screen as cohesive, build up story instead of happening inconsistently(until Master Quest that is).

    I can agree with you how there were episodes where character just made observation or two, but that isn't valid indication through which you can determine someone appeal and value of his personality. If character isn't playing some role in episode nor getting focus he isn't having opportunity to interact with other characters and display his traits.How active character will be and will he interact with others depends on amount of focus he receives in episode. From same problem even Ash, May, Brock, Cilan or just about any character suffered not having chance to interact and display his personality(there were episodes where he only said few generic lines and nothing else) due to too many unnecessary fillers being there which prevented main characters to be active due to taking backseat in several episodes .

    What counts is time when character is active doing something, contributing to group dynamics and overall characterization specific to him he displays across the region he is set in. And Misty definitely showed lot of personality and vibrant dynamic as character in Johto.

    Besides if he didn't exist and it was just May introduced that arc, the Hoenn group probably would have become as bland as the DP trio was. You can really tell Dawn needed some other character to have a dynamic with....she didn't have one.
    Not really. Your forgetting Brock regardless of Max presence was still more active and had mote focus on his personality and career than it was case in DP. On top of that he had several memorable moments with May feeling more like friends than it was case with Dawn.
  13. Misty Calls Masquerain's Avatar
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    ^ABSOLUTELY! There was no emotion, it was just- okay, bye, guys, see you two again someday. It was just like any other COTD goodbye. *facepalm* Writers of Pokemon, if you can't write a departure scene, learn how to,.

    Also I thought Trinity was okay

    *The badges norm should not be broken. You have to WIN OFFICIAL gym battles to get them, like it or not!*

    Not breaking the norm is lazy, it takes effort to have a good reason to get a badge outside of battle.

    *And Unova League at least had some rival battles, including 6v6s. Kanto had to introduce characters out of nowhere, and is the only time we got no 6v6! Not to mention Charizard the Ashbreaker.*

    Idk if you watch the JP version. If you do, I wont spoil it for you, but last Saturday's dub episode was only the beginning of the really bad league.

    *They could invest all this time to some better Misty Development.*

    They did?

    *Which brings us to the Whirl Cup. Trinity ex Machina is the exact same with Tobias. If you can't stand one of the best Leagues because of a single Tobias, how can you do so with Whirl Cup?*

    HOW is Trinity the same as Tobias?

    *Also, I am not talking about Pokemon dumping at the start of the series, but right within the middle. I even mentioned which ones.*

    At least they came back

    *And yeah, I don't care about anime nostalgia. What's important to me is that OS animation is unbearable today... *

    I prefer it to the new one personally

    *By saying Misty felt unfinished or didn't get as much screentime, its basically an admittance that the writers didn't handle Misty very well back then.*

    Not really, a lot of media has unfinished characters that are well written, also she was still a good character in her own right.
  14. The Fighting Misty's Avatar
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    Except for the fact that they didn't, which is why Misty and Brock are viewed today the way they are, not getting enough development and being neglected throughout their runs. Obviously this thought wouldn't occur to most people if this weren't the case.

    Not sure why this is a surprise, people have known this for nearly a decade now.
  15. pokemon fan 132's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Fighting Misty
    Except for the fact that they didn't, which is why Misty and Brock are viewed today the way they are, not getting enough development and being neglected throughout their runs. Obviously this thought wouldn't occur to most people if this weren't the case.

    Not sure why this is a surprise, people have known this for nearly a decade now.
    There is difference between feeling character wasn't fleshed out and developed enough, while still acknowledging his qualities, impact he left on show and moments when he developed.

    Or finding character was both neglected and "ruined" certain fans try to spread across as fact. Something many would disagree with.

    While Misty for example may have received less focus to develop her story in comparison to other girls many people still prefer her personality, find things and impact she left on Ash and anime growth to be of bigger value as well appreciating development she got more than its case with her successors.

    Regardless of its flaws they obviously did something right when Misty and Brock are still one of most popular and memorable characters this show had.
  16. The Fighting Misty's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by pokemon fan 132
    Regardless of its flaws they obviously did something right when Misty and Brock are still one of most popular and memorable characters this show had.
    That's because people primarily think of what the characters were like in Kanto, when they were in their prime. I'm sure when it comes to Brock people don't think of the "good times" he had in Sinnoh. They're mostly talking about the early version of the character. Same with Misty where the cut-off seems to be early Johto.
  17. pokemon fan 132's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Fighting Misty
    That's because people primarily think of what the characters were like in Kanto, when they were in their prime. I'm sure when it comes to Brock people don't think of the "good times" he had in Sinnoh. They're mostly talking about the early version of the character. Same with Misty where the cut-off seems to be early Johto.
    You mean you think?

    When people talk about Misty they usually remember about her not only in Kanto, but in Orange Islands and better parts of Johto as well appreciating things she brought on table and development she went through. When they talk about Misty they usually remember chronicles and cameos she made in AG generation welcoming change through which she went as character, various events she entered like Whirl Cup, Seaking contest, Kanto princess festival etc. And all those crazy antics, jokes and lively colorful interactions she brought to cast.

    Only era of show from where complaints come is mid Johto where Brock or Ash aren't being viewed as something special either. Due to lack of focus or any real direction through which show could be taken. In fact almost no one complained about Johto before GS ball was dropped with series turning into filler fest until 5th season with Whirl Islands being received as godsend gift finally breaking monotony and bringing life to characters again.

    When people remember Brock they don't only talk about his era in kanto, but about his return in Johto and how excited they used to be, all those funny and memorable moments he had in that region, addition of new pokemon, his dynamics with Mays and Max and several noteworthy things he did there appreciating more focus being pout on his breeding career. Or various crisis in which Pewter gym was found solving crisis and finding common language with family.

    Negative comments about Brock only comes from DP era which has more to do with his awful neglect as character than anything else to make more room for Dawn, but in general its considered how Brock used to be at his prime or close to it in all regions until Sinnoh.

    Same applies to Misty, in general people view she was showed in best light in Kanto, Orange Islands, early Johto and Master Quest being followed with chronicles.
  18. The Fighting Misty's Avatar
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    When people talk about the original trio I assure you they're talking primarily about Kanto. That's what people remember, along with Ash having Bulbasaur, Squirtle and Charizard on his roster.

    People aren't thinking of Ash with the Johto starters and what Misty and Brock were after that.
  19. pokemon fan 132's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Fighting Misty
    When people talk about the original trio I assure you they're talking primarily about Kanto. That's what people remember, along with Ash having Bulbasaur, Squirtle and Charizard on his roster.

    People aren't thinking of Ash with the Johto starters and what Misty and Brock were after that.
    Not from what i noticed.
    You can see people on daily basis often talking about Misty memorable ad fun moments in Orange islands and romance subplot, her achievements in Johto liking when she was finally given her own big arc like Whirl cup being treated like star in Whirl islands detour,tantrums she had with Ash, Brock and various characters like Andreas, Egan, SAkura etc bringing more dynamic and drams in group interactions, memorable moments when bonding with pokemon like Marill feeling sympathy for character, various battles she entered, about her taking care of things at gym and fun interactions with Daisy or Tracey etc.

    Sam applies to Brock enjoying in his various moments when he applied knowledge in taking care of Stantler, Sudowoodo, his Golbat, fun interactions with Misty about love and romance, various girl through which writers expanded his obsession wanting to marry him etc.

    Same applies to Hoenn with most fans often recalling all those fun moments involving Ludicolo, resolving issues with wild pokemon like Shiftry, battling may, using his evolved Steelix to protect Pewter gym, helping out Ash to prepare strategy against gym leaders and beginning of his crux and interest which came out on surface about whole doctor calling.

    Many fans have various fond memories of Misty and Brock from Orange, Johto, Hoenn and about DP when Brock had chance to shine. There's no doubt about it at all.
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    I concur, when I think of the original trio, I think of the whole 5 seasons of em'. Why wouldn't I?
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