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by , 22nd August 2013 at 04:51 PM (1152 Views)
I feel like throwing a rant, so please enjoy this crying,bitching and whining that what you're gonna see...

This is regarding entries like this [url=http://cheezburger.com/53884417#comments]Best Wishes Series Finale and X & Y Anime Teaser! - Cheezburger[/url] on Pokémemes section of the site Memebase.

It fuckin' amazes me.

I love the Pokémon franchise. Since I learned about it I always enjoyed it, wanted to experience it and learn about it as much as possible. You can tell, right? Otherwise why would I be right here and right now, throwing a rant on some Pokémon franchise forum... But the franchise has grown so big nowadays, that there are sides, whole sections of the same franchise coming from different mediums, the more common ones being Pokémon Games, Pokémon Mangas and Pokémon Anime. As always, given the popular demand the content has expanded. So when a product, a chunk of new content comes up, does it mean it should be treated as permanent part of this "franchise"? IT DOES FUCKING NOT. Nobody should be careless about that. The parts can be flawed, they can be rotten, perturbed and nothing should be regarded as ever perfect or ever qualifying to be good just because the original franchise is good. And just please, if you care about yourself and/or care about others, have the courage to put it away. Do not pretend it's alright. Not when it has a history of defying you, like the Pokémon Anime which is such a wretched product. Product which is a goddamned [I]POISON[/I] within the franchise, and yet nobody wants to get rid of it, out of love for the whole. But let's not be heartless. I given the Anime a chance. I given it multiple chances. When I saw Ash lose against Ritchie in the Indigo League, I was amazed! I honestly thought that the Pokémon Anime writers made a good move...not knowing that this will be the case for Ash [I]every[/I] time in the upcoming future. And I watched it all eagerly. Not realising, that Ash had given up all of his Pokémon for some reason when he entered Johto. Chikorita has somehow gained more usefulness than Charizard, Primeape, Lapras or Muk...but we were alright with that, most of us, was. [I]I[/I] was. It was cute, it was funny, and it made us admire the new Pokémon. A perfect way to keep people watching, especially those who like cuteness and funny moments. I payed no mind. Then the anime finally approached the Johto League again after an astounding number of journeys, won battles, Pokémon catched and trained. With our hero, who was [U]finally[/U] deserving to win, although surprisedly not the League he lost at but somehow all his goal became Johto. Not Kanto, not his home country, not the one he lost initially, but Johto, somehow became more important. Well, whatever right? Johto had it's cool sides too... So the main event starts, continues, then finishes and ends. It was spectacular, it could be said. The writers cashed in a looot of views. I remember that they even made special cartridges with those episodes so you could watch them on Gameboy Advanced. But the result, wasn't exactly great. Even though I liked Ash losing against Harrison, I thought this will teach him something, but overall it still ended pretty shaky, especially for Ash, who couldn't get far in the League even after 271 episodes of Anime. However what has stricken me, was that most people felt that Ash is great. They said, "dude that fight where Charizard beaten a Blastoise, was so amazing" I reacted like, really? You think that something that could never fairly happen in the game, a fire pokemon bluntly beating a water pokemon, through some bs-physics, and factors taken out of the ass, was amazing? It really rubbed me the wrong way. But of course I wouldn't sound my opinion, since it's pointless to argue about something like that. I wouldn't even be able to argue with every person who watched the anime that this was a bad moment, I thought. Later, I realized that I should. I fucking should have. I should have tried the seemingly impossible so it would maybe worked, because the things have gotten even worse. I didn't take any measure, being just overwhelmed by the situation. The anime continued, unsurprisingly, Ash has again taken the same route, he leaves all of his old pokémon, just to keep some new ones, and use those "baby stage" Pokémon, even though he had lost using those Pokemon in Johto and Kanto Leagues...It's like he never even had that experience before. But it goes on, nobody seems to care and [SIZE=6]Treecko really is Ash's strongest Pokémon after 339 episodes of the Anime[/SIZE]. It was a fact back then. This fallacy goes on. Why. Why are the people still watching it and still paying no mind like I did, to the awfulness that is being given to them? Do they possibly like the fact that Anime turns the values honed in the games over 180 degrees, and disappoints you in a steady, continuous process? The anime nowadays has gotten even worse. Although you would think, that Ash fighting with baby pokemon was bad in Hoenn, it goes even worse, to the point where he cannot win against Trip,a trainer who has just started his journey and just received his first pokemon, Ash goes and whoop, "I guess my Pikachu isn't strong enough yet to deal with this pokemon", but that, coherent-wise to the game was still ok since Grass is superior against Electric (Even though that same Snivy, later evolved into Serperior and lost to Ash's Pikachu) , Ash and his crew do crimes, crimes I say, against the rules set in the games, a Pignite beating a Samurott WITH ONE FIRE ATTACK, Iris's Dragonite, defeats a well trained Beartic and Mamoswine, by guess fucking what, taking their Ice attacks head on ._. I won't even elaborate on the subject of doing the absolute impossible, like Pikachu dodging Swift, or beating Marowak with a thundershock...but it all makes CLEAR that the anime is bad, the level of it's professionalism is hightly RETARDED, and [B]NO WRITER BATS A FUCKING EYEBROW WHEN MAKING THIS PIECE OF SHIT[/B]. They don't have to. The anime is good ONLY for the eyecandy, voice acting, comic reliefs and flashy animation. Ergo, nothing that real Pokémon gamer would like, if he likes the games. It's poison. It's the worst thing that is out there, you can quote me on that. But why are the writers still accepted? Why is this poisonous anime still going, and still has quite a lot of fans? Because, and I won't question the intelligence of the audience, I will assume they are reasonable people, but their love to the franchise is too high. Therefore they will always give the Pokémon Anime a chance, even when it pulls the worst, disgusting, unspeakable stunt. They still pay no mind. Let it be, it's still Pokémon.

Wrong. That is not Pokémon. That shit defies everything that Pokémon is. Everything that the game and mangas show us is inverted in Anime. So how can you still call it Pokémon??? Because it has the sticker with such label on it? I hope not. I hope, you're not idiots. I hope you are doing it because you actually are still giving this thing a chance, out of your compassion. But this is not the way people. [U]We will never win[/U]. It will never stop. The anime will be shit, exactly because there are still people saying oh look, a new episode, I bet it has something good in it. The anime will be shit. Because that's what the writers need. That's all they need. That's all they care about. To have some audience, who still watches this filth, after they throw in some new faces, make some flashy fights, make Ash win his irrelevant battles in a superb manner. If you will once, once in your life make that mistake and tolerate that, you will by that show them that they succeeded and they will keep doing what they do.

If you have read what I wrote so far then you will watch this video as well. It would really help you understand why "half measures" are bad.
[VIDEO=youtube;n3u-6UFLubI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3u-6UFLubI[/VIDEO]

The full measure, is stopping watching Pokémon Anime completely, and making everybody else realise that they shouldn't watch it, if they want it to be any good. A hard and seemingly tedious goal, but I know,and some of you too know, that it's the only way the anime is ever going to to become better. When the writer will see that nobody wants to watch it anymore, because it's wrong, it's badly written and it crushes all that we, the Pokemon franchise fans love. Am I right? Or not? If you're a fellow fan like me ask yourself that.

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Updated 23rd August 2013 at 12:12 AM by Infinity Edge

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  1. Reila's Avatar
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    Hmm no, I enjoy the anime, so I don't see why I should stop watching it.
  2. Robo-Floatzel's Avatar
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    I stopped watching the anime a long time ago, because it just wouldn't change or add anything new, it was the same thing over and over again, and I just couldn't take it anymore.
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  3. Infinity Edge's Avatar
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    [QUOTE=Reila;bt292697]Hmm no, I enjoy the anime, so I don't see why I should stop watching it.[/QUOTE]
    Sure then, may I ask what in it do you enjoy?
  4. Reila's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Infinity Edge
    Sure then, may I ask what in it do you enjoy?
    The characters are lovable, the battles are nice (well, not all of them) and the show is very lighthearted and fun to watch. I have my complains about it, of course, like the "Pokémon doesn't need to evolve to be strong" bullshit and a lot of annoying stuff that happened in Best Wishes, but I really liked most series/sagas in the show.

    People complaining about the anime and its characters (specially Satoshi) actually annoy me more than the show itself. I am not talking about you, but about stupid people on youtube, tumblr and similar sites. "LOL SATOSHI SUCKS HE IS SUCH A NOOB RED IS BETTER THE STRONGEST". Ugh.
  5. Robo-Floatzel's Avatar
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    I stopped watching the anime a long time ago, because it just wouldn't change or add anything new, it was the same thing over and over again, and I just couldn't take it anymore.
  6. Infinity Edge's Avatar
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    @Reila;
    [QUOTE=Reila]The characters are lovable[/quote]
    Ok, so eyecandy, voice acting and comic relief. Sounds familiar to me.

    Sigh, but do you know that we could have Anime with those exact same, or even better (take Ash) characters? We could if you would stop there, and admit that you don't like all of the things about the show like you said.

    [quote], the battles are nice (well, not all of them) and the show is very lighthearted and fun to watch. I have my complains about it, of course, like the "Pokémon doesn't need to evolve to be strong" bullshit and a lot of annoying stuff that happened in Best Wishes, but I really liked most series/sagas in the show.[/quote]
    Flashy fights.

    And, really? You like that Ash gets the starters everytime, wins all badges, loses the league and again and again? I know that there are other things happening in the show, true, but "that" exactly that, is the aim of the show. If you truly like that, I have no more question. But,
    Again like you say, a lot of stuff is bad, even in your experience. We could have had it better if we just cared to take a stand. You can't say you like something but hate some part of it at the same time. I'm sorry but that just doesn't make sense and you sound like you're lying to yourself.

    [quote]People complaining about the anime and its characters (specially Satoshi) actually annoy me more than the show itself. I am not talking about you, but about stupid people on youtube, tumblr and similar sites. "LOL SATOSHI SUCKS HE IS SUCH A NOOB RED IS BETTER THE STRONGEST". Ugh.[/QUOTE]
    Honestly, I never have read the manga, but still I would agree if someone sounds an opinion that the anime should stop, even if they are clearly doing it in a trolling manner, I don't care about that, because I know that their prime belief is good, even though their way of doing things I agree, do need to be fixed. The life will teach the trolls to grow up, it always does ;) The prime beliief which is the important thing, will help the anime however. I'd like that to happen.

    @Robo-Floatzel;
    [QUOTE=Robo-Floatzel]I stopped watching the anime a long time ago, because it just wouldn't change or add anything new, it was the same thing over and over again, and I just couldn't take it anymore.[/QUOTE]
    Then you're like me :7
    Glad to know you can understand me.
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    Updated 22nd August 2013 at 06:27 PM by Infinity Edge
  7. swiftgallade46's Avatar
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    I honestly think the anime is a lot more important than you're making it out to be. It draws connections and gives different perspectives than the games ever could. There are many aspects about the Pokemon world and its physics that we would never understand without the anime, and because new pokemon are constantly being made, new anime should be made to explain them. For example, Genesect. We'd never know it could fold up into a UFO without the anime. We'd never know its full back-story. It's a very valid opinion to say that the anime should be changed--even drastically-- but getting rid of it altogether would be a giant mistake in my opinion and would greatly take away from the franchise as a whole.
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  8. Infinity Edge's Avatar
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    @swiftgallade46;
    [QUOTE=swiftgallade46;bt292704]I honestly think the anime is a lot more important than you're making it out to be. It draws connections and gives different perspectives than the games ever could. There are many aspects about the Pokemon world and its physics that we would never understand without the anime, and because new pokemon are constantly being made, new anime should be made to explain them. For example, Genesect. We'd never know it could fold up into a UFO without the anime. We'd never know its full back-story. It's a very valid opinion to say that the anime should be changed--even drastically-- but getting rid of it altogether would be a giant mistake in my opinion and would greatly take away from the franchise as a whole.[/QUOTE]

    All I'm saying is that it won't change at all if we keep watching it. My goal would be to get a better anime, [I]through[/I] stopping watching it as it is currently. Since I'm sure that a Japan corporation would never give up to make that anime. Animes are Japan's tradition and known trade. All I ask for, is that the anime doesn't rape the ideals drawn out in the games. The anime could be easily made better, we do not have to have a repetitve story, like nobody cares how it goes. I did respect Ash/Satoshi at the beginning, but this, "journey" that he takes for over 15 years and doesn't even age, is too much. That doesn't make any sense and just depreciates his character. Why cannot Ash/Satoshi simply succeed in Kanto or Johto, and have another trainer follow his steps in next region? That's one of the drastic changes that you mention I belive...take other things like bs fights and unrealistic world and and there would too little left to make an anime about it. If you would take out the things you don't like. What would be left?
    So really, in order that the anime could promote interesting things like Genesect resembling UFO, the anime needs to fix it's general plot and main characters. Otherwise there will be a conflict like now, where there are only two sides, people who don't watch anime, and people who watch, even though they dislike certain things. So I think my "sacrifice" would help both of them get along instead of just being in denial.
    Updated 22nd August 2013 at 06:37 PM by Infinity Edge
  9. Reila's Avatar
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    I am sorry, I did answer your question previously, but I am not willing to discuss this subject. I like the anime and I couldn't be more excited for the XY saga. If you don't like show, then that is a shame, you can always read the manga or focus solely on the games. Or, you know, accept that the anime isn't necessarily supposed to be a copy of the games and that is actually a good thing. What I know for sure is that complaining isn't going to make people stop watching it.
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    I actually agree with a lot of points here, except the need to boycott the show. While I think that yes, such actions would have short term gain and sort of slap them awake, it does not fix the problem that led to lax production quality in the first place and that is lack of a steady relation with the fandom of all ages. My argument is, well if we dump Pokemon then whats to stop them from dumping us and making the show even more "kiddy"? Now think about this for a moment; in our world culture, especially in countries that are generally well off, its human nature to strive for excellence. Therefore I disagree that its simply enough for them to get by with the barebones target audience, because I trust that like most humans, they want to climb higher. They might sit all too comfortably for a time, but eventually someone is going to say its time to do something more. And what a wonderful thing that is, and it gives me a thread of faith in the producers despite their screw-ups, however I think the franchise would be far better if the fandom were to assist in speeding that process along.

    What we need to do is show them we're worth investing in increasing the quality of their product. That's why I'm in favor of fan campaigns. To those who say people like that are crazy, to those who say it has no chance, I say that at least we're showing we care. I want to bring negative problems to light but still promote a positive atmosphere. Because in the end, its fostering positive connections between fans and the company that ultimately makes a long term impact. So I say we should promote a more proactive fandom, without more negativity, bitterness, and hopelessness. Create incentive, not disconnection. At least, that's my viewpoint.
  11. Life's Avatar
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    I guess I'm an idiot than.
  12. Pokemaster97's Avatar
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    Not watching the anime will not fix anything to be completely honest. The show has a large fanbase and has been going strong for years, they will continue to make the anime, regardless if a few people (outside of the targeted range at that) are watching or not. I don't think it's fair to call people who enjoy the anime idiots. If you don't like the anime and think it's shit, then that's on you, but you shouldn't try to encourage other people who do enjoy not to watch it either. Why does it bother people so much if they enjoy something that they don't? If people like the anime, let them enjoy it, all the needless bashing and threats is not changing anything.
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  13. Infinity Edge's Avatar
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    @Reila;
    [QUOTE=Reila;bt292711]What I know for sure is that complaining isn't going to make people stop watching it.[/QUOTE]
    Just as calling you out on your own words isn't going to make you back them, while I have to, I guess. Yeah, stubborn, I get it. You don't care. Do not be surprised when you will find out that attitude like your is what's making the Anime as flawfull as it is...

    @Bluelatios;
    [QUOTE=Bluelatios;bt292712]I actually agree with a lot of points here, except the need to boycott the show. While I think that yes, such actions would have short term gain and sort of slap them awake, it does not fix the problem that led to lax production quality in the first place and that is lack of a steady relation with the fandom of all ages. My argument is, well if we dump Pokemon then whats to stop them from dumping us and making the show even more "kiddy"? Now think about this for a moment; in our world culture, especially in countries that are generally well off, its human nature to strive for excellence. Therefore I [U]disagree[/U] that its [U]simply enough for them to get by[/U] with the barebones target audience, because I trust that like most humans, they want to climb higher. They might sit all too comfortably for a time, but eventually someone is going to say[U] its time to do something more[/U]. And what a wonderful thing that is, and it gives me a thread of faith in the producers despite their screw-ups, however I think the franchise would be far better if the fandom were to assist in speeding that process along.

    What we need to do is show them we're worth investing in increasing the quality of their product. That's why I'm in favor of fan campaigns. To those who say people like that are crazy, to those who say it has no chance, I say that at least we're showing we care. I want to bring negative problems to light but still promote a positive atmosphere. Because in the end, its fostering positive connections between fans and the company that ultimately makes a long term impact. So I say we should promote a more proactive fandom, without more negativity, bitterness, and hopelessness. Create incentive, not disconnection. At least, that's my viewpoint.[/QUOTE]
    Yeah well, positive thinking. Believing they will improve...yet somehow something stopped them from doing that all those years. And you're right, maybe my approach is a bit cold. Why do I expect the show to be good, when I don't plan on doing anything for the show and want to just make the company improve...Well for one, because I can't. Haha, it's not me who doesn't want to have warm relations don't you see it? It's the writers who do what they do and don't listen to people like me at all. I mean that, besides making the same bad moves over and over again each arc for 15 years, seems to point to the assumption that the writers don't care about us. Otherwise it's gotta be some cruel f***ing joke.
  14. Okami's Avatar
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    Well I guess I'l add my two cents here.

    Ok well I really agree with this. See I think where the manga dropped off really was in the middle of Sinnoh. I kept watching after that but I really think it just all went down hill somewhere along that line. I finished watching and then moved on the best wishes ( I think that's what it's called) and I really didn't like it. Then I stopped watching it completely and only started agian when I found out N was in the anime... I thought he could somehow make it better. No.

    No one really ever ages... type advantages don't really matter. Heck I just don't care any more. I play the games, I read the manga, I buy random Pokemon crap... I get excited about Pokemon X and Y. I just think that the Pokemon anime has lost it's charms. So why don't we all just go out and watch the old episodes somewhere? Or animated fanfiction anyone...
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    Well the target audience for the anime is younger children and i doubt theyre going to change that. If anything, the anime has decreased in its target age over the years. so it's safe to assume that won't be changing. Boycotting the show will do one of two things: 1 is unlikely but if you get enough followers, the anime will simply stop being aired which, as I've said previously, would be a tragic loss. 2 is that the producers will assume that those who are boycotting (which you have to admit will probably be a minority of its watchers due to the target audience) simply don't like the show anymore and they will continue to target the show towards younger children. I'm sure they're used to people growing out of Pokemon by now, so that's just what they will most likely assume happened. If you don't like the anime, no one here or anywhere has a problem if you stop watching it, but you have to realize that it just won't make much of a difference in the grand-scheme of things as it shouldn't. The anime has its fans (plenty I might add) and while there are places it really needs to improve on, asking people to boycott will probably not cause those improvements to occur.
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    @swiftgallade46;
    [QUOTE=swiftgallade46;bt292722]Well the target audience for the anime is younger children and i doubt theyre going to change that. If anything, the anime has decreased in its target age over the years. so it's safe to assume that won't be changing. Boycotting the show will do one of two things: 1 is unlikely but if you get enough followers, the anime will simply stop being aired which, as I've said previously, would be a tragic loss. 2 is that the producers will assume that those who are boycotting (which you have to admit will probably be a minority of its watchers due to the target audience) simply don't like the show anymore and they will continue to target the show towards younger children. I'm sure they're used to people growing out of Pokemon by now, so that's just what they will most likely assume happened. If you don't like the anime, no one here or anywhere has a problem if you stop watching it, but you have to realize that it just won't make much of a difference in the grand-scheme of things as it shouldn't. The anime has its fans (plenty I might add) and while there are places it really needs to improve on, asking people to boycott will probably not cause those improvements to occur.[/QUOTE]
    Yes sure. So to summarise,

    You're allowed to believe that "many" people will keep watching this silly, unprecise and depreciating show that has little to do with Pokemon in my opinion.
    I'm allowed to to believe that many people will keep not watching this show even more given how it can't improve at all because nobody who makes it actually cares about it being true to the franchise, nor they want it to be better, [U]clearly by doing the same thing over and over again due to people like you, who watch it and don't mind and the bad sides, the writers will be assured that's all they need[/U].

    So I'll take that compromise gladly.
  17. L.L.'s Avatar
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    So...Pokémon Origin?
  18. Bluelatios's Avatar
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    I love the Pokémon franchise. Since I learned about it I always enjoyed it, wanted to experience it and learn about it as much as possible. You can tell, right? Otherwise why would I be right here and right now, throwing a rant on some Pokémon franchise forum
    First part of the blog. Frankly I too am displeased with the vulgar and harsh context of the entire blog even though I can understand needing to let off steam. But regardless I joined in the conversation because I think there are some very real points here that I have a strong interest in, namely the importance of the older fanbase which I defend, and thus the role of the fandom including a need for (keyword) constructive criticism of the show. Sometimes years of repeating a formula before realizing its flaws is what it takes for a company the size of Pokemon to change. (Inversely, changing too much too often can also create flaws to be realized). I don't know how long it takes nor can I change anyone's mind if they truly believe Pokemon only cares about kids. But I sure as heck am gonna believe that in some manner at some point the bar must be raised. It is the cycle of both business and human achievement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Infinity Edge
    @swiftgallade46;

    Yes sure. So to summarise,

    You're allowed to believe that "many" people will keep watching this silly, unprecise and depreciating show that has little to do with Pokemon in my opinion.
    I'm allowed to to believe that many people will keep not watching this show even more given how it can't improve at all because nobody who makes it actually cares about it being true to the franchise, nor they want it to be better, clearly by doing the same thing over and over again due to people like you, who watch it and don't mind and the bad sides, the writers will be assured that's all they need.

    So I'll take that compromise gladly.
    Ok so now you're just plain not making any sense. "...show that has little to do with Pokemon..." What?! Do I even need to tell you why that's completely wrong? Also, you've missed my point entirely. The target audience being younger children means that even if an older generation stops watching the anime, a new younger one will simply replace them. Therefore, boycotting rather than campaigning for change will only result in the older fanbase being ignored even more. "...people like you, who watch it and don't mind the bad sides...", who says I don't mind the bad sides? Clearly I don't mind them as much as you since you're willing to stop watching the anime entirely, (which, once again, nobody is going to stop you) but that doesn't mean the anime nver rubs me the wrong way. Another point I was trying to make, though, is that the anime is meant for younger children. That's why the plots are repetitive and simple, and that's why Ash keeps losing and going to newer leagues. You should be thanking TPCi for giving us the Origins Special (depending on what they do with it) because they really had no obvious reason to do so, nor were there any precedents in Pokemon that may have let us know they were going to try something like it.
  20. Bolt the Cat's Avatar
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    It's cheap entertainment aimed at kids (particularly Japanese kids) to sell Pokemon merchandise, plain and simple. The writers clearly don't want anything more than that. Honestly, there's not much you can do about it, the writers don't seem to care that you don't like it, as long as ratings and sales stay high enough, it's good enough for them.
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