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The XY anime, the possible return of Contests and the anime getting rare.

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Now, with the release of the Pokemon X and Y games, people are speculating about the opinions of the different pokemon revealed, the new feature that they are revealing and they are posting continuosly prediction of what will happen. This will increase until October.

With the discussion of the games, there's also the discussion of the anime that is expected to promote the games. There are discussing what will happen witht he characters that we had now and with ideas of the anime based on twhat happened in the anime.

As many of us knew, the anime is getting low ratings (for Pokemon) in the last few months. It's particularly troublesome in the last two months where Pokemon is out of the Top 10 almost every week and the show is getting 3s. If Pokemon get lesser ratings, the announcers paid less money to get the show. Pokemon, with those ratings, could suffer a 15-20% cut on price of commercials in relation to the average of main anime.

I also know that if the anime will fully express the dislikes of Best Wishes and the effects of the low ratings, it will be for the XY anime.

People speculate about the new girl having a role in the anime, but I have something suspect about what I know of the anime and is this:

-(Read with caution): The writers are doing the necessary steps to briung back Dawn back into the show. Although we can never suspect a thing like that, there's hint that until a new character is confirmed hints a real risk of a return of her (and mainly only her, not any of the rest)

These are the reason why a return of Dawn back into the cast has more possibilities than 0.

1) The most important hint. Past Tuesday, the starting moves of the starters were revealed. In the menu, there exist a options where you can check ribbons. Although there are ribbons for event Pokemon, this hint is a strong hint of Pokemon Contests being back into the games, and for extension of the anime. But the writers will preferably use a new characters (or change Cilan's career although I only see Cilan as a connoseiur) but there are more.

2) One fact: A character return is one of the most powerful tools that the anime has to bring back viewers and to get attention to them making new children keep watching the anime. Dawn and Piplup are very popular in Japan; and they are more popular (even now) than Iris and specially Axew. In normal circunstances the writers won't do that, but now that the anime has "issues"but now they can use something like this to attract the audience.

3) Dawn's "fake" return: Her cameo was promoted like she was going to be a main character again, they didn'0t said that what they are doing is a simple cameo; not only but they put her is every bio in existence witht he main characters. When Dawn made a return in the anime last year and the cameo ended, I think that the main reasons because they aren0t keeping her is the lack of Contests to promote and that the region is ending.

4) The ending, Emolga and one future episode. Dawn appears in the ending as we know. But the ending shows many older characters, making that the ending says nothing in that regard. But Dawn in the sequence of the ending has a Emolga in her head although is Iris' right now. I can understand putting Emolga near Dawn to see Dragonite but, why has to be in the head? This reminds me to the Charizard of the opening. But to add more to this, in late Best Wishes there are a episode of Emolga joining Team Rocket and near this time there are a Clair episode where possibly Iris decided to be Opelucid Gym Leader, where Emolga can't be used. And about Team Rocket.

5) Team Rocket returning to being funny again like in DP*. What proves that the writers are returning things from the DP series now. The main reason why Team Rocket went back into their funny mode is because the audience don't like serious Team Rocket and to add this the voice actors don't like serious Team Rocket. The radio show, the Live Caster and the hyped ending of Team Rocket is hints about Team Rocket being funny again soon.

*They are attempoting to be like in Kanto more than DP. This is proven by using the Kanto motto, for example.

6)Piplup's merchandise: I search pokemon merchandise sometimes and I notice that Piplup has more merchandise than Axew in the last 8 months or so. And although the cameo ended a long time ago, Piplup is still featured in some merchandise (mainly random kiddy merch) and is the only starter that appears in the I love Marine set for July. Now he doesn't appears too much in merchandise because the movie and the short (they aren't promoting the movie with a pokemon that doesn't appear in it), movie who has taken the main spot in merchandise.

7) Iris' and Cilan's Sayonara being known "early". Why a poster of the DA series revealed the expected departures of iris and Cilan in March when the new series won't be airing until at least September, if not October? Although they can troll about the departures until further confirmation, this is something strange that I have taken note.

8) We know almost everything in the Decolora saga. But taking the actual episodes there's like two months between the end of BW and the release of the XY games, who should coincide with the anime debut. If Dawn were to return, it would be in those episodes betwen gens. And they are also capable to bring back May, although his chanes of returning are very low.

9) The new game character, like in Black and White, is a teen and not a 10 year old like them.

What happens if she returns into the anime? What things return into the show and what things doesn't?

If a return of a older characters is unlikely and rare, even if the return happens, we have to remember that the anime will promote Gen VI and not Gen IV. This will be the XY anime series in Kalos, not the Diamond and Pearl series (even with a Gen IV character in it).

If tthe returns happens, this things are expecting to return:
-Piplup. if she returns, Piplup's popularity will be one of the reasons. We should expect keeping that for promotional purposes (not the games, his own merchandise). And take note of this because exist the alernative of Ash keeping Oshawott for the same reasons. And even, they can use a characters (ex: the Contest announcer) that have an Oshawott (etter said, Ash's Oshawott). Fortunately people want to see that because the writers aren't promoting Froakie too much (what means, early evolution).

-Pokemon Contest. They are already expecting to be back based on the menu of the starters that was revealed earlier this week. It's obvious that if she returns, it would be doing Pokemon Contests and not anything else.

-Her personality in general. With means, being girly, getting nervous, etc. And if that happens, the writers has to do something thatcauses the return, even with drama inserted to it (they have to make a reverse DP 191, and I knew that a episode like BW86 doesn't hint any return).

What we shoudln't expect.
Her keeping the team. With the revelation of his DP team, it was known that it was a cameo. One thing is keeping a mascot, and another is keeping 6 older pokemon from two generations ago. The rest of the team would be XY related pokemon (and in this case, Chespin or Fennekin are candidates to take a spot).

Keeping her old rivals. This is a new series, after all. They will use new rivals for this series.

And if you want to see her again because the miniskirt, don't expect her being back for any reason. In that case, they would use a clothing based on the female character of XY (like Ash does witht the male character).

I think that is worth posting because although exist a difference between hints and her being really brought back, I want to explain why I thought about some things about XY alkthough I'0m aware of the unliking ness of the situation. This is because is unlikely, not impossible.

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  1. Bubble Frog's Avatar
    Dawn's done. She most likely is never coming back as a main character. Everything you listed is stuff I've countered on Serebii a million times. I guess it's getting ignored. Dawn's done, just like Misty and May. It's time to move on.
  2. Eitarou's Avatar
    A few replies.
    1) The most important hint. Past Tuesday, the starting moves of the starters were revealed. In the menu, there exist a options where you can check ribbons. Although there are ribbons for event Pokemon, this hint is a strong hint of Pokemon Contests being back into the games, and for extension of the anime. But the writers will preferably use a new characters (or change Cilan's career although I only see Cilan as a connoseiur) but there are more.
    This implies nothing. Ribbons are in every game, regardless of whether Contests are or not.

    3) Dawn's "fake" return: Her cameo was promoted like she was going to be a main character again, they didn'0t said that what they are doing is a simple cameo; not only but they put her is every bio in existence witht he main characters. When Dawn made a return in the anime last year and the cameo ended, I think that the main reasons because they aren0t keeping her is the lack of Contests to promote and that the region is ending.
    No it wasn't. It was your standard promotion poster. Cynthia was on it, too, and she isn't a main character.

    4) The ending, Emolga and one future episode. Dawn appears in the ending as we know. But the ending shows many older characters, making that the ending says nothing in that regard. But Dawn in the sequence of the ending has a Emolga in her head although is Iris' right now. I can understand putting Emolga near Dawn to see Dragonite but, why has to be in the head? This reminds me to the Charizard of the opening. But to add more to this, in late Best Wishes there are a episode of Emolga joining Team Rocket and near this time there are a Clair episode where possibly Iris decided to be Opelucid Gym Leader, where Emolga can't be used. And about Team Rocket.
    Emolga is lazy. There's nothing wrong with her sitting on someone else's head. Especially when it's a friend.

    9) The new game character, like in Black and White, is a teen and not a 10 year old like them.
    ...So? Nothing stopping them from just de-aging her.
  3. karczx's Avatar
    Doesn't matter. She's done with. That's how the writers intended for it to be, given how BW was full of mistakes from start to finish. They're going to continue down that downward spiral, and it will never finish. Mistake after mistake. They should have fixed it all up in BW Season 2. But no. You can see that Decolora Adventures was the writers way of saying, "This show sucks, we're giving up on everything so we're doing nothing but random bullshit to make up time till the XY release so we can get this BW trash off our backs". Those incompetent writers have been exposed as the scum that they are; and that's why the show isn't getting anymore positive ratings.
    Updated 18th May 2013 at 05:18 PM by karczx
  4. Bubble Frog's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by karczx
    that's why the show isn't getting anymore positive ratings.
    Where in the world did you get that idea? The show's ratings are perfectly fine. It might not be loved by a subset of anime fans on Bulbagarden, but that's practically nothing compared to the true target audience of preschoolers that most likely don't give a crap about the banes of "good writing." Even then ratings aren't a massive deal for Pokemon as it relies mostly on its merchandise to succeed, as a lot of ad anime in Japan do. Dragon Ball Kai got immensely high ratings in Japan but got cancelled because no one bought the merchandise, Pokemon does well in both regards so I don't see where the claims of the show's ratings are coming from. I do check these ratings daily in America and Japan.
  5. Satoshi-kun's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Druddigon
    Where in the world did you get that idea? The show's ratings are perfectly fine. It might not be loved by a subset of anime fans on Bulbagarden, but that's practically nothing compared to the true target audience of preschoolers that most likely don't give a crap about the banes of "good writing." Even then ratings aren't a massive deal for Pokemon as it relies mostly on its merchandise to succeed, as a lot of ad anime in Japan do. Dragon Ball Kai got immensely high ratings in Japan but got cancelled because no one bought the merchandise, Pokemon does well in both regards so I don't see where the claims of the show's ratings are coming from. I do check these ratings daily in America and Japan.
    Indeed! Also, the Pokemon movies tend to do very well in the theaters (often #1, can be lower if there's a Ghibli film out at the same time, iirc). That's always a big thing for the series.
  6. The Fighting Misty's Avatar
    Ah, back in the old days we had to listen to Misty fans claiming Misty would come back every week....now we have to listen to Dawn fans claiming that Dawn's going to come back every week.

    Seriously, you Dawn fans better cut the cord when you can. You guys don't want to spend the next 10 years of your lives claiming a character will return like the Misty fandom, do you?
  7. Bubble Frog's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by The Fighting Misty
    Ah, back in the old days we had to listen to Misty fans claiming Misty would come back every week....now we have to listen to Dawn fans claiming that Dawn's going to come back every week.
    Look who finally decided to grace us with his presence!

    Seriously, you Dawn fans better cut the cord when you can. You guys don't want to spend the next 10 years of your lives claiming a character will return like the Misty fandom, do you?
    I just know you love doing that.

    *Waits for pokemonfan132*
  8. Satoshi-kun's Avatar
    Okay, now that the usual players are here, I predict that I will still be seeing this blog showing up in the "recent comments" section of the main blog page for the next few months.
  9. karczx's Avatar
    She isn't going to return. But all the other future girls can't ever come close to her, because no other Pokegirl was as well written and more realistic than Dawn. Which is why I've given up hope on the entire anime series. When the anime ends, we'll have over 3,000 Pokemon and 50+ companions to date. I wonder how are the writers going to screw things up even further the next time around?
  10. Bluelatios's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Druddigon
    I just know you love doing that.

    *Waits for pokemonfan132*
    Quote Originally Posted by Satoshi-kun
    Okay, now that the usual players are here, I predict that I will still be seeing this blog showing up in the "recent comments" section of the main blog page for the next few months.
    Well, you know Satoshi, you could do something about the obvious baiting before Pokemonfan 132 gets here instead of just watching this play out yet again. Just sayin'. :/
  11. Karamazov's Avatar
    BL (Oh when I use those initials, I can't help thinking of Boy's Love XD Sorry), I would hope you and the others would be reporting this baiting, too.

    And seeing the comments in the "recent comment" section doesn't necessarily mean you read them, but whatevs.
  12. Nymphia's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Druddigon
    Where in the world did you get that idea? The show's ratings are perfectly fine. It might not be loved by a subset of anime fans on Bulbagarden, but that's practically nothing compared to the true target audience of preschoolers that most likely don't give a crap about the banes of "good writing." Even then ratings aren't a massive deal for Pokemon as it relies mostly on its merchandise to succeed, as a lot of ad anime in Japan do. Dragon Ball Kai got immensely high ratings in Japan but got cancelled because no one bought the merchandise, Pokemon does well in both regards so I don't see where the claims of the show's ratings are coming from. I do check these ratings daily in America and Japan.
    Lately, Pokemon's ratings are bad considering Pokemon standard. The show has only gotten two Top 10 in the past 6 weeks, and with lower than 4.0. Before that it wasn't too bad but is clearly insuficient for the writers.
  13. Bubble Frog's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Nymphia
    Lately, Pokemon's ratings are bad considering Pokemon standard. The show has only gotten two Top 10 in the past 6 weeks, and with lower than 4.0. Before that it wasn't too bad but is clearly insuficient for the writers.
    Johto had lower ratings than Kanto, DP had lower ratings than AG, BW has lower ratings than AG. That's happening with nearly every show in Japan, ratings are gradually dropping because Japan's population is. Less woman are getting pregnant for example and less people are actually watching cartoons. It's not a cause for concern either, it's happening to every show. Naruto for example has gradually declined in ratings since the show started. It has nothing to do with the quality of the content itself, Pokemon is hardly a show watched for its content either. Young children don't care about the likes of writing or formula or any of that mess.


    I'm just so tired of people constantly complaining about how their old favorite should return, Dawn is done as a main character. It's time to move on and make peace with that. Same thing with Misty, same thing with May and more than likely the same thing with Iris at BW's end. The only character I could see returning as an MC is Brock and Brock alone.
  14. Misty Calls Masquerain's Avatar
    All I can say is prepare for disappointment (OP).
  15. Nymphia's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Druddigon
    Johto had lower ratings than Kanto, DP had lower ratings than AG, BW has lower ratings than AG. That's happening with nearly every show in Japan, ratings are gradually dropping because Japan's population is. Less woman are getting pregnant for example and less people are actually watching cartoons. It's not a cause for concern either, it's happening to every show. Naruto for example has gradually declined in ratings since the show started. It has nothing to do with the quality of the content itself, Pokemon is hardly a show watched for its content either. Young children don't care about the likes of writing or formula or any of that mess.


    I'm just so tired of people constantly complaining about how their old favorite should return, Dawn is done as a main character. It's time to move on and make peace with that. Same thing with Misty, same thing with May and more than likely the same thing with Iris at BW's end. The only character I could see returning as an MC is Brock and Brock alone.
    Explain this:
    Early DP and early BW share the same ratings (actually early BW has higher ratings). They were less kids in 2010 than 2006.

    Late DP has rating of 5s and 6s. Late BW is getting ratings of 3s and 4s. Considering a rating of 6 in late DP and 4 in BW DA we have:
    A drop on 33% of ratings, whose enmas that you think thsat the population of kids go down by a 20% in three years. Doraemon, Sazae, Conan isn't losing 33% of the audience in 3 years. They are losing viewers in general, but not to this levels. What is dropping are the ratings of the anime that airs in TV Tokyo (Naruto, Inauma, Tamagotchi)
  16. Bubble Frog's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Nymphia
    Explain this:
    Early DP and early BW share the same ratings (actually early BW has higher ratings). They were less kids in 2010 than 2006.

    Late DP has rating of 5s and 6s. Late BW is getting ratings of 3s and 4s. Considering a rating of 6 in late DP and 4 in BW DA we have:
    A drop on 33% of ratings, whose enmas that you think thsat the population of kids go down by a 20% in three years. Doraemon, Sazae, Conan isn't losing 33% of the audience in 3 years. They are losing viewers in general, but not to this levels. What is dropping are the ratings of the anime that airs in TV Tokyo (Naruto, Inauma, Tamagotchi)
    Naruto was getting 9's back in 2005, it manages 4's these days. That's drop itself, this is happening to every show and iirc DP's premiere got an 8 or so. These ratings are dropping like stones, it's natural and it happens. The writers or producers have no reason to go into panic mode. Pokemon isn't even a show watched for its content anyway, ratings fluctuate all the time. Kids don't care about the things Internet nerds do.

    I usually don't agree with Scott at all but you really need to cut the cord. Dawn's been gone for three YEARS. Misty is gone. May is gone, it's time to move on. People have matured and gotten over things instead of beating a dead horse into the ground. They've come to terms with the fact that the cast is always changing and always will.
  17. Bluelatios's Avatar
    So wait, what point does that counter exactly? Frankly, it's, it's just so easy to sit behind the "every show is suffering" argument and you'd never have to hold anyone or anything accountable for an anime's decline. Nothing can actually be wrong with an anime, its just the viewers changing habits am I right? The truth is, every anime does something wrong, because no show is perfect. So this is not a question of viewers habits, its a question of what can be done better. Can it really be assumed that Pokemon is just doing the best it can? Or is there something more that we can speculate here? I don't need to argue about the fate of characters here, I'm simply saying I can't find anything to be ruled out as a factor of Pokemon's ratings and popularity.
    Updated 23rd May 2013 at 01:31 PM by Bluelatios
  18. Dawn~Berlitz's Avatar
    i think there is a small possibility Dawn could still return bw was pretty lame due to Iris and her personality (no offense Iris fans/this is just my opinion and not a bait/flame) and i really doubt they would deage a character but if in the 4 years it usually takes in our time to go through a whole region the x&y area could put Ash about 14-16 since somewhere on the net our 4 years is 1 year in the pokemon region

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