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The Original Series characters are overrated Specially Misty.

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by , 18th March 2013 at 01:53 AM (2971 Views)
People are making a big deal aout Brock and Misty appearing in flashbacks. But with the flashbacks on the past Charizard episode some people want that Misty will return to the show to make the show appeal to older fans.

The question is why Misty should return to the show? People things because they think that the show will gop better with such nostalgic characters.

But what bother me is that any older girl who appeared after Misty was treated bettern than Misty. May was treated better than Misty, Dawn was treated the best for all girls and Iris .. yeah, it wasn't treated as good as Dawn and I think that it's lower than May, ut I think that treated better than Misty.

LKet's see the advantages that could happen with a Misty return tot he cast and a Dawn return Let's see:

Misty could help the show in:
-That her returncauses way older fans care about the show. ANd not all.
-A lot of overexcitement in the fandom. Specially strong one.


But Dawn could help the show because:
-First, it could promote the return of Contests.
-Piplup is popular in Japan now (= could matter to the marketing team).
-The writers has trolled recently with a return of her in 2012. Misty hasn't appeared since 2005.
-She used to have a co-star status. She could have big screentime.
-She is a stereotype of girls, thing that Iris isn't. And does something to appeal the girls, something that BW lacks.
-And mainly this, she can have a team mainly composed of marketing pokemon, she could use one of the starters (ex: Fennekin) and this help that Ash could have a more solid main team than in BW because we know that except Pikachu the writers don't treat well 1st stage pokemon. (See the League, the last three Gym battles and the Junior Cup).

The question should be, if the writers decided to bring an older character, what character help more the Pokemon franchise?

I understand one thing that I agree completely: that the writers shouldn't make a BW-like recast in the XY series because the scast will be very unstable, specially after BW1 and after a 3 year series. But here the characters that you should think of keep up is Cilan and/or Iris, characters that are known to the audience now. Specially Cilan because Cilan's role is a necessary role in the main cast in every generation, including DP.

I don't understnad why there' so much love aboput Misty and Brock (for the OS, not the more recent DP) returning and re-joining the group. Brock, I understand, because he actually left in Diamond and Pearl, but Misty? I think that things who left in DP191 until we know what happened in Gen VI aren't impossible to revert because we have this "false return" and that Team Rocket are intending to revert to the older personalities now and that the viewers answered a poll where they decided to bring back Wobbuffet.

Seriously, why people has so much love about Misty?

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  1. Bubble Frog's Avatar
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    Dawn has as little reason to return as Misty does.

    All those points you listed for Dawn are, for the most part, straw-grasping.

    Regardless I don't wanna see either of them return as MCs and would rather new characters each saga.
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  2. Silktree's Avatar
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    Thinking that Misty might return for a few episodes is a lot more reasonable than hoping for Dawn to be part of the Generation VI main cast.
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  3. Bubble Frog's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silktree
    Thinking that Misty might return for a few episodes is a lot more reasonable than hoping for Dawn to be part of the Generation VI main cast.
    Exactly.

    Even then pretty much 50% of DP was Dawn and she got a nice run and is pretty much maxed out as a character. She was the runner-up in her first GF.(That's much better than May did her first time.)If she returned she would likely just regress or stagnate. Plus I'm not interested in another Coordinator journey when Dawn is already competent heavily in that field.
    Updated 18th March 2013 at 02:41 AM by Bubble Frog
  4. Reila's Avatar
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    Misty is nice and I like the original cast, although I prefer the D&P and B&W trios. The only OS character that I truly believe is overrated is Gary, he is probably the worst rival Ash ever had and yet he is considered a good character by a good amount of people.
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  5. Zexy's Avatar
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    Come on, people like Misty for the nostalgia. She was the first girl Ash encountered, and Pokeshipping is the first and biggest Poke Ship ever.
    Thus, the way people say it when they say they like Misty isn't as much as character development, but nostalgia factor.

    Still, I would like her to cameo again, it has been 8 years!
  6. Karamazov's Avatar
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    People can still like and enjoy older characters without only liking them for nostalgia.
  7. Pokémon Master Ash's Avatar
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    If I had to choose which groups I like best, I'd say the OS and AG groups. Yeah, part of that has to do with growing up with them, and nostalgia. However, I like how they used to have these funny mannerisms and a nice sense of character chemistry between them. I didn't like DP's team up at all, but I did like Dawn (Ash and Brock...GRRRRRHHH!). BW's team is pretty cool by me, but Cilan and Ash entertain me the most.

    Well, I do agree some of the OS characters are overrated (Gary), but most of them are pretty interesting and I enjoyed them. :D
  8. Nymphia's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silktree
    Thinking that Misty might return for a few episodes is a lot more reasonable than hoping for Dawn to be part of the Generation VI main cast.
    I think that now is the moment of a Misty return, to be honest. And reunite the Original trio for a few episode could represent Kanto very well. With Iris and Cilan, of course.


    Quote Originally Posted by Gotpika
    Dawn has as little reason to return as Misty does.

    All those points you listed for Dawn are, for the most part, straw-grasping.

    Regardless I don't wanna see either of them return as MCs and would rather new characters each saga
    I'd rather keep Cilan than doing a BW recast again. Why? Because too many changes after the BW chane with only 3 years would be overkill. Remember that May and Dawn have 4, Misty had 5 and half and used to have 13 years!!!

    And I think that one character will back into the main cast soon. Well, this isn't a main cast member but a older personality of a current character that could return. Is Jessie, James and Meowth returning to be funny and Wobbuffet returning to the show with them like a poll made by Japanese kids said
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    Updated 18th March 2013 at 11:02 AM by Nymphia
  9. pokemon fan 132's Avatar
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    I don't think Misty was overrated, in fact on here she seems underrated often being viewed as "terrible trainer because she use one type", "useless because she had smaller role than girl coordinators"etc.

    Personally while i like Dawn ill readily admit how i would rather have Misty back though instead of Dawn(personal preference). Misty never became water master, her current position as gym leader allows to rank up as trainer(such as trying to become E4), she was fleshed out alot less than Dawn having many unanswered things about backstory, pokemon, ambitions etc with writers leaving foundation with story on which they could pick up and do sequel, if they ever felt need to do it .

    And i guess i missed great chemistry she gave to group.
    Her anger, sarcastic remarks, and romantic and girly side brought strong interactions and dynamic within group adding that extra flavor.
    Judging by huge demand for return i see on internet, this could attract more older fans toward show boosting ratings too.

    Logical reason for Misty return could be , for continuity purposes, to help advance storyline and bring boost to ratings by attracting more of older audience toward show considering how demand for her return is much bigger than you can see for other characters.
    In form of fresh, unexpected twist allowing for more stable cast, better on going stiry and approach of investing more in successful characters doing build up and taking stories in deeper,more complex directions picking up from where writers stopped. Compared to rinse and repeat we are getting now.

    After all if you want to maintain loyalty and interest among viewers ensuring that show popularity keeps going for many years to come, unpredictable surprises and spicing things up(which return of all time favorite usually brings)is only desirable and needed breaking monotony.

    Not like Misty will return either, but from my perspective i would rather have her back instead of others never being given enough justice as character.

    Still hoping for at least cameo appearance though.

    Quote Originally Posted by BlueWartortle
    Come on, people like Misty for the nostalgia. She was the first girl Ash encountered, and Pokeshipping is the first and biggest Poke Ship ever.
    Thus, the way people say it when they say they like Misty isn't as much as character development, but nostalgia factor.

    Still, I would like her to cameo again, it has been 8 years!
    Not with me. I like Misty because of great personality she has, her niche of using mostly water type which i find kinda cool and unique compared to others, sad background growing without parents being constantly mocked by older sisters and all those things she gave to anime helping Ash to grow, playing role of classic heroine saving people lives, helping others about problems ad bringing humor and endearing dynamic with her tantrums and various passionate sides on daily basis.

    Also i feel she still had some good growth overall despite getting less than May and Dawn impšrpving as water trainer, overcoming childhood trauma Gyarado, got over complex of feeling lss worthy to Daisy and co becoming more mature and confident while keeping her abrasive childish side in more "grown up manner". Heck ill say she as person changed most right after May and i miss her never being developed as much as she could had been.
  10. CrackFox's Avatar
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    I'm not going to fall into the trap of being asked to state why I like Misty and then get accussed of bringing up the past. Kanto for me has so much nostalgia but I can objectively look at it too. I liked Misty's personality, she had the biggest personality of all the female leads (although Iris is very close) The writers could have gave her some day to day goals, and if she was introduced in this day and age, she would have them. The writing was worse back then so the only reason she didn't was because the writers didn't expect the anime to be a long term thing. To me, Dawn was boring and contests got boring after May left. Bringing Dawn back would be very lackluster for me, if I had to sit through another saga like DP, I would probably stop watching the show. I'd love to see May brought back, but I am sick of contests and so are many people. Out of the three, Misty would be the most interesting to bring back because her reasons would be totally unexpected.

    I'm not saying they should bring anyone back, If I had my way, lots of old characters would return, not just her. I'm just saying that in a toss up between the three girls, I'd bet Misty's reappearence would breathe the most originality in the show, but this is all theoretical and as I said, I like all the female leads except Dawn, who I didn't dislike, I just found her very dull.
  11. The Fighting Misty's Avatar
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    God how many blogs do we need about Misty?
  12. Nymphia's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Fighting Misty
    God how many blogs do we need about Misty?
    Scott, you made a blog aout Johto, who includes Misty. Various things:

    -1. You are a hater of everything that debuted in Kanto because you want Ash to leave in your favourite series, AG.

    -2 You mention everywhere about Misty and Brock. Even in threads that deals with the Best Wishes series and where Misty and Brock is anywhere on those episodes.

    To show your negativity with older characters, in the Charizard episode you said that Misty and Brock won't appear at all. And when it's know that they will be talking you said that we shouldn't care because it's 30 seconds. Remember that people want to be excited to see at least a flashback on them and in this episode, Ash's Charizard is returning, which you denied until the last minute that Ash's Charizard will appear.
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  13. Bluelatios's Avatar
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    Scott, I hate to join in calling you out but fer92 is right. You really do seem to patrol the forum to ensure people don't get away with any "crazy" notions like wishing for possible appearances or even returning without your rebuttal. I go to blogs to talk about my favorite characters, not to get into repeated debates that I know won't change your opinion (or if it did in any way you probably wouldn't admit it). I don't mean to start any sort of fight; I just think I need to be open and honest in how I feel about your involvement in Misty/Brock/OS discussions :/.
    Updated 21st March 2013 at 06:12 PM by Bluelatios
  14. The Fighting Misty's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluelatios
    Scott, I hate to join in calling you out but fer92 is right. You really do seem to patrol the forum to ensure people don't get away with any "crazy" notions like wishing for possible appearances or even returning without your rebuttal. I go to blogs to talk about my favorite characters, not to get into repeated debates that I know won't change your opinion (or if it did in any way you probably wouldn't admit it). I don't mean to start any sort of fight; I just think I need to be open and honest in how I feel about your involvement in Misty/Brock/OS discussions :/.
    I have no problem with Misty and Brock or Kanto and Orange Islands, what I find bizarre is people trying to base the show around them, or constantly sitting there thinking they're getting comebacks every 5 days. Its been 10 years since the original series ended, that says enough.
  15. Bluelatios's Avatar
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    Frankly, if there's people that want it to happen, maybe its not such a far-fetched idea that they actually do return someday, whether it be for pure fanservice or something else entirely. I don't know, I'm not close to any business people in Japan. But really that's beside the point right now.

    I just want to know, do you debate with the fans because you are puzzled and really want to understand where they are coming from? In other words, I want to understand what you're trying to understand, if that makes sense.
    Updated 21st March 2013 at 08:15 PM by Bluelatios
  16. The Fighting Misty's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluelatios
    I just want to know, do you debate with the fans because you are puzzled and really want to understand where they are coming from? In other words, I want to understand what you're trying to understand, if that makes sense.
    I'm just trying to figure out there way of thinking, and why they think that way. It makes no sense to me at all, the moment the first episode of Hoenn aired it was obvious the show was moving on. If you recall we didn't even know there would be more female leads after May at the time, but that's what happened/
  17. pokemon fan 132's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Fighting Misty
    I have no problem with Misty and Brock or Kanto and Orange Islands, what I find bizarre is people trying to base the show around them, or constantly sitting there thinking they're getting comebacks every 5 days. Its been 10 years since the original series ended, that says enough.
    No one is basing show around them according to my knowledge, but where credit is needed it should be given. Misty and Brock will always be viewed as important in people eyes because they were backbone on which show was build spreading popularity worldwide, and setting up path for future generations to come. They are most iconic and recognizable cast out there and that is something which lasts forever, or for very long period of time.

    In addition main reason why there will always exist speculation of possibility of Misty and Brock returning to cast is due to being original, highly positively received and iconic characters with first group always bring guaranteed to not end up forgotten. Also many feel reuniting them for one more adventure when show comes to end would went nicely with message of things coming full circle better conjuring sense of conclusion.

    Personally while i know how this is rather unlikely, i at least wouldn't be oppose to such idea understanding motivation and appeal behind people desire and wish for this to happen.
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  18. The Fighting Misty's Avatar
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    The original trio was very boring in Johto due to the poor writing of the show at the time. Ash interacted more with the bland Johto COTD's than either Misty or Brock, and you didn't even notice their existence in most episodes other than their random observation comments.
  19. pokemon fan 132's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Fighting Misty
    The original trio was very boring in Johto due to the poor writing of the show at the time. Ash interacted more with the bland Johto COTD's than either Misty or Brock, and you didn't even notice their existence in most episodes other than their random observation comments.
    Not true at all.

    I remember several moments where you could feel how they were friends having fun together.Like when Misty encouraged Brock to do first step about girls,when she tend to tease Ash along with getting into clash sometimes when they competed over something, got lost, said something stupid etc. When Brock got sick with both companions having to manage without him showing close connection and concern about him etc.

    Dynamic between Ash,Misty and Brock slightly changed but they still felt like lively family in Johto being enjoyable imo.
    Slapstick humor was replaced with more sarcasm and smart alec jokes being present along with naivety from some of them adding to comedy with their friendship actually growing . Since they already knew their weak and strong point giving out impression of three strongly connected friends exploring new regions and pokemon.
    There were plenty of moments where they provided each other moral support, showed great deal of care when friend was in trouble, had several moments where they laughed, argued or joked about each other with interactions coming of in spontaneous, innate manner.

    Also from wherever you got impression how in most episodes "Misty and Brock just made random observations not doing anything simply isn't true".
    There are different ways to maintain character activity even without battling. Such as helping to push someone else story giving him support or have character deal with its own flaws, contribute to humor and dynamic interactions within cast with his/her persona, help to resolve crisis and plots during episodes or certain arcs,. Like we saw with Misty helping to catch pokemon thief, battling Team Rocket various times, playing role in getting group out of forest when they got lost, helped deal with mischief pokemon like Wooper or Snubull, daydreamed with Todd about romance helping Ash in finding Articuno etc. Along with battling much more or entering competitions than it was case in Kanto. Or Brock who served as sparing partner for Ash, used his Golbat several times to help locate lost objects or TR, helped Ash to understand his pokemon such as helping Totodile about his crush on Azumaril, learned how to prepare new medicines from others like old Shuckle man etc.

    You see what you want to see, because claim how Misty and Brock 90% of time did nothing but said one to two line is complete exaggeration.

    Now i can understand if you dislike Johto, but there is no reason to downplay characters and actual positive things about this saga bringing fallacious statements .
    Because yes Johto had several positive moments and Misty and Brock as characters were for most part enjoyable being energetic and showing lot of humor, spunk and interest in taking things on their own. Blame lack of focus for them not being more prominent, not characters themselves.
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    Updated 26th March 2013 at 07:35 AM by pokemon fan 132
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