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Originally Posted by Misty Calls Masquerain

@Gotpika; You're correct, but they can expand their audience. Many other kids shows have good adult reception and very little criticism (coughAvatarcough). My proof isn't one of those *official articles* made by a bitter fan, I have actual ratings of Advanced Battle (Kids WB) and Battle Frontier (CN) on my other computer, I'll show em to you.

I have the ratings too. I track the ratings of a lot of shows in America and Japan for fun, but Pokemon has no reason to appeal to an older audience because the show does perfectly fine on its own. The closest thing to adult appeal is the TR radio show and that's not even a permanent thing in itself. The show doesn't have any real reason to change the way its been working for all these years. Pokemon went from being a family show to a children's show after OS according to the original director.

@Misty Calls Masquerain; Wait, do I know of you from Serebii? :O I think I recognize the posting style.

I dont have an account (yet).

Oh, I must have been thinking of someone else then.

I wish people would just quit bringing up Misty in every topic, Misty isn't even relevant to the show anymore. Misty isn't a flawless princess who should be defended every time someone says something slightly negative about her nor should she be bitched about relentlessly and attacked. People just need to let it all go because something to consider is said character hasn't had a major appearance in this show in a long time and honestly, this goes for both sides. I do this myself as in, just have a "what's the point?" mentality. Yes, we all have our opinions but just think about it and think what's the real point anymore?

I mean, it's a Pokemon forum. We all like the Pokemon anime, I assume :P, I try to be considerate of every fan of every character. Misty, Brock, Dawn, May, Dawn, Iris, Cilan, Piplup, Tracey, Max, Piplup. It's honestly tiring for all parties of fans when things like this happen and sometimes it's best to just wonder "Is what I'm about to post worth the potential strife it will incite?" I'm not saying you should withhold your opinions or thoughts but sometimes it's just best to think about what you're doing for a second. Just be a bit more considerate of another's feelings in a way. It's not so much as I just hold in my feelings of things I think negatively of after posting my thoughts on said items once or twice, as much as I just don't care. For example, older characters just aren't a big deal to me. It's sometimes best to let things go or let things go over your head then get involved and possibly cause a storm of negativity. I'm also not liking what Bulbagarden Anime has become, I think we all can do well to respect each other a little bit more and just avoid needless quarreling.

Ugh, I suck at putting my words into thoughts.

EDIT:"Thoughts into words." XP

Relentless attacking sparks relentless defending. Frankly, most of the time its that Misty gets attacked so much by a select few around here at every corner. That's why many of her fans feel the need to fiercely defend her. Gotpika you nailed it on the head that its pointless to argue and it would be amazing if everyone respected each others opinions. Bulbagarden's anime section has had problems with that for faaaar too long.

Misty
isn't a flawless princess who
should be defended every
time someone says
something slightly negative
about her nor should she be
bitched about relentlessly and
attacked.

Yes she is :P

Nah, I'm kidding, that honor goes to Brock (barring princess of choose)

If people could take opinions, this wouldn't happen.

Originally Posted by Bluelatios

Relentless attacking sparks relentless defending. Frankly, most of the time its that Misty gets attacked so much by a select few around here at every corner. That's why many of her fans feel the need to fiercely defend her. Gotpika you nailed it on the head that its pointless to argue and it would be amazing if everyone respected each others opinions. Bulbagarden's anime section has had problems with that for faaaar too long.

The difference is everytime there is a debate you guys use Misty (or the original trio) as some sort of pro-argument. Isn't it obvious just by taking a quick glance around the fandom that not everyone is obsessed with Misty or the original trio?

I just cannot understand it. There are many people who feel Brock got stale during DP especially, and many who prefer Cilan over all incarnations of Brock. Likewise its rather obvious how popular the other female leads are too, even if Iris has a somewhat mixed reception.

We're not in 2002 anymore when Misty was in every single episode and could have been considered a big part of the show at that time.

Only because other people use Misty as an anti-argument.

Originally Posted by stickerstaryoshi

Only because other people use Misty as an anti-argument.

I think people just plain wouldn't mention Misty at all either way. Misty has been gone for 10 years, aside from the slim possibility of her getting a cameo at some point, she's just been a non-entity for most of the anime's run.

With Best Wishes ending in October, this will be the second full generation without Misty actually appearing for a short arc. Its looking more and more that Misty's AG cameos were intended to be the final "real" appearances of the character.

Here's something I don't understand: Why let "fanboyism" get to you? Fanbiyism of certain characters (no names) annoys me, but I just let it slide.

Originally Posted by stickerstaryoshi

Here's something I don't understand: Why let "fanboyism" get to you? Fanbiyism of certain characters (no names) annoys me, but I just let it slide.

Well to be fair it really only is from the same 3-4 people over and over again. I guess it just bothers me when they start talking about their nonsense petitions and try to pin the success of the show on 1 particular character. Everyone knows what these people are doing and we can all see right through it.

And as gotpika pointed out, had the original trio been used to this very day, ratings of the show would still be exactly what they are now. Brock stayed for 8 more years after Johto and few actually cared. Ash and Team Rocket have been flanderized. Misty would have been handled just as badly.

No one here made a petition, at least not recently. Well except Bluelatios, but that's not about Misty.

And I have to see "OMG MAY IS ARCEUS' GIFT ON EARTH" over and over, but I'm not making that big of a deal out of it.

I never said the anime ought to be exactly the way its always been. I'm open to the idea of mixing old and new characters, human and Pokemon. One thing that bothers me is how the show is always trying to use new friends for Ash at every corner, when eventually that just can't continue to work every time. I think the reason you often hear from the 3-4 most vocal Misty fans is because BMGF isn't exactly a very open forum to begin with. I mean sure its well known and popular, but the anime section has been suffering for years under heavy argument-centric threads. There is such a thing as too much debate. Few tend to actively talk about Misty because of how easy hurricanes of arguments whip up and make for a very unpleasant atmosphere. But the few who do are probably among her most dedicated and passionate fans.

Originally Posted by stickerstaryoshi

No one here made a petition, at least not recently. Well except Bluelatios, but that's not about Misty.

Petition about the voice actors is a different story. Since that only pertains the dub, it at least was more realistic than petition to Japanese writers about a show that's created to be an adaption of the current games to use certain characters, which makes no sense.

A dub is a bit different story, even if its entirely unlikely at this point as well. Although at this point its sort of just turning out to be a Veronica Taylor situation, since the entire main cast is gone now and we don't know if TR will continue past BW.

Actually I don't mind seeing other Pokemon petitions. I mean, its not a written rule that the anime has to follow the games as closely as it does, or has to stick to the "safe" option of using current game characters as Ash's companions. Regardless of whether a character is a past/present game character, or is entirely unique, they ought to use whatever character type their fans would want to see. Thus what petitions are for, since there's a language barrier, its probably one of the most effective ways to communicate with them outside of the international branch acting as a mediator.

There's a nice debate going on here. XD.

It's great that we're sharing our opinions on things and I enjoy reading what you guys have to say. :)

Originally Posted by Bluelatios

Actually I don't mind seeing other Pokemon petitions. I mean, its not a written rule that the anime has to follow the games as closely as it does, or has to stick to the "safe" option of using current game characters as Ash's companions. Regardless of whether a character is a past/present game character, or is entirely unique, they ought to use whatever character type their fans would want to see. Thus what petitions are for, since there's a language barrier, its probably one of the most effective ways to communicate with them outside of the international branch acting as a mediator.

90% of online petitions do not work because they do not even get read by the people who they are intended to get to. Whenever petitions are sent to major corporations, they don't reach past a secretary who either immediately deletes it (if its an e-mail), or throws it in the trash if its a written letter. They never reach the people in charge because they always go down to whoever handles customer service who tend to be the least important workers in a company.

Any major business operates like this. It really surprises me that some of you don't know this.

@The Fighting Misty; That doesn't mean its not possible though, some internet petitions have worked before.

@Bluelatios; I agree,if we're nice about it, they could at least consider. Also, eventually, Ash will have too many friends, thats too many main characters at once to invest in (all the current characters are enough as is). I'm open to new charcaters too, but these ones...are not good. From May to Iris, they all suck in my honest opinion.

@stickerstaryoshi; And they always compare their precious May to Misty, too, as if May cant stand on her own. Some of them can't judge her by their own merit, they just like her because she's "better than Misty" which she's not.

Originally Posted by Misty Calls Masquerain

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@Bluelatios; I agree,if we're nice about it, they could at least consider. Also, eventually, Ash will have too many friends, thats too many main characters at once to invest in (all the current characters are enough as is). I'm open to new charcaters too, but these ones...are not good. From May to Iris, they all suck in my honest opinion.

You think all the new characters suck and expect to be taken seriously? When all Misty and Brock actually accomplished is becoming progressively worse which each passing arc they were in?

@stickerstaryoshi; And they always compare their precious May to Misty, too, as if May cant stand on her own. Some of them can't judge her by their own merit, they just like her because she's "better than Misty" which she's not.

What on earth are you talking about? May stood completely on her own. The only reasons she gets compared to Misty is because back when she was introduced she was the only new female lead on the show at that time. A large chunk of the fandom prefered May over Misty back in the day, she's one of the few well handled main characters in the anime.