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by , 19th March 2013 at 08:12 PM (397 Views)
So, I was just curious..is Missingno counted as a pokemon? I mean, I do but I really can't say if it's official or not. There could be 152 pokemanz! :o

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  1. Shiny Celebi's Avatar
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    No its not an official Pokemon, just a glitch.
  2. Karamazov's Avatar
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    If it was counted as an official Pokemon, it would have appeared in the anime and future games.
  3. Black Dragon's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Contrary
    If it was counted as an official Pokemon, it would have appeared in the anime and future games.
    I dunno, not all pokemon have to appear again at a later generation.
  4. Lugion's Avatar
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    It's just a glitch. It was never even in the first season of the anime, never been in the manga.

    All "mystery Pokémon" in the manga and anime tend to be just unrevealed Pokémon, like Lugia in Pokémon Adventures.
  5. Oswin's Avatar
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    What Ninfia said, it's nothing more than a glitch.
  6. Karamazov's Avatar
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    Pokemon has never retired a Pokemon. And even Missingno. was meant to be official but retired after the generation, then it would still have official art and an anime appearance, maybe even an appearance in some of the manga. Plus, there's no reason to retire a Pokemon, since you can't retire a species in real life. (You could make a Pokemon extinct in the next generation, but there's no way they'd ever do that, especially without ever referencing that Pokemon again.)

    That's not to say it can't be retconned into a real Pokemon in the future.

    Edit: Bulbapedia fun fact: Missingno. is referred to as "Pokémon 000" on Nintendo's consumer support website, referencing its Pokédex number

    It means nothing, but still funny nonetheless.
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  7. Black Dragon's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Contrary
    Pokemon has never retired a Pokemon. And even Missingno. was meant to be official but retired after the generation, then it would still have official art and an anime appearance, maybe even an appearance in some of the manga. Plus, there's no reason to retire a Pokemon, since you can't retire a species in real life. (You could make a Pokemon extinct in the next generation, but there's no way they'd ever do that, especially without ever referencing that Pokemon again.)

    That's not to say it can't be retconned into a real Pokemon in the future.

    Edit: Bulbapedia fun fact: Missingno. is referred to as "Pokémon 000" on Nintendo's consumer support website, referencing its Pokédex number

    It means nothing, but still funny nonetheless.

    ...You type really, really, really, really, fast..o.o
  8. Green Zubat's Avatar
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    I like to think so, though GF will be party poopers and say no because they fucked up :/
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  9. Garren's Avatar
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    People who think Missingno is an actual Pokemon is literally the most annoying part of the Pokemon fandom.
  10. Kyuuketsuki's Avatar
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    MISSINGNO. was a glitch, and saying it should be a Pokémon is like saying that man on Cinnabar Gym should also be a Pokémon. In Generation I, there was a secret Pokémon, and that was Mew; it got carried over to other Generations and recognised there, so obviously, MISSINGNO. is not a Pokémon, not should it ever be.
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  11. Zexy's Avatar
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    Come on, it's a GLITCH! Not a Pokemon, not anything! That's all!

    Don't forget, we are 5 Gens away now...
  12. Ranger Jack Walker's Avatar
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    There are a whole bunch of glitch pokemon. We would have to count them too. But we don't. Missingno is only the most famous of glitch pokemon.
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  13. Black Dragon's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueWartortle
    Come on, it's a GLITCH! Not a Pokemon, not anything! That's all!

    Don't forget, we are 5 Gens away now...
    Eh, I still view it as a pokemon. Simply because it can be caught, trained, released, traded, has a sprite, etc.. So basically for me, if it has a Pokedex entry, then it's real to me. Kind of a stupid thing to go by, I know.
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  14. Black Dragon's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tendou Soujirou
    People who think Missingno is an actual Pokemon is literally the most annoying part of the Pokemon fandom.
    And to note: In a way, I'm stating that all glitch Pokemon should be counted so long as they have Stats, can be trained, can be caught, etc...so..yeah.
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    Updated 20th March 2013 at 12:58 PM by Black Dragon
  15. Green Zubat's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyuuketsuki
    MISSINGNO. was a glitch, and saying it should be a Pokémon is like saying that man on Cinnabar Gym should also be a Pokémon.
    The old man above Cinnabar thing is a false analogy. As @The Twilight Knight said;, Missingno. (and co.) have stats, can evolve, can be trained, was technically made by the officials, and more. They fit the bill for every criteria that we use to define a Pokémon--you can't say that about the old man above Cinnabar.

    In Generation I, there was a secret Pokémon, and that was Mew; it got carried over to other Generations and recognised there, so obviously, MISSINGNO. is not a Pokémon, not should it ever be.
    I fail to see why availability should matter in determining whether or not something counts as a proper Pokémon. Were the mons that didn't make it into the HoennDex still considered Pokémon, despite the fact that (before Colosseum) they couldn't be found in, or traded to, Hoenn? Of course they were. Are Shadow Pokémon, which are exclusive to the consoles, not considered real Pokémon? Of course not. If GF didn't have cross-gen compatibility again next gen (hypothetically speaking), and decided to throw out the entire National Dex as it stands now in favour of the next gen Dex, ruling all pre-VI Pokémon unofficial, would we still call them Pokémon? Of course we would.

    The same goes for the Mew situation. Before they started officially distributing them, Mew was just a mysterious rumour a few trainers had managed to encounter--by manipulating glitches, no less. And you can still do it today, if you have an RBYG cartridge or a Gameshark, yet I don't see anyone calling Mew people have caught this way "unofficial". Hell, we have a whole section on this forum dedicated to artificial hacked Pokémon, which are much less authentic than glicthes like Missingno (which come ready made, just like a official Pokémon), yet a significant number of fans accept them as real enough Pokémon.

    At the end of the day, the only thing that differentiates glitch Pokémon from official Pokémon is the fact that they weren't intended by the game designers. It's pure absurdity to write them off as not even a kind of Pokémon just for that, much less call other forumgoers "the most annoying part of the fandom" and such for refusing to give into such obsessive-compulsive hair-splitting too.
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  16. Kyuuketsuki's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Zubat
    The old man above Cinnabar thing is a false analogy. As @The Twilight Knight said;, Missingno. (and co.) have stats, can evolve, can be trained, was technically made by the officials, and more. They fit the bill for every criteria that we use to define a Pokémon--you can't say that about the old man above Cinnabar.

    I fail to see why availability should matter in determining whether or not something counts as a proper Pokémon. Were the mons that didn't make it into the HoennDex still considered Pokémon, despite the fact that (before Colosseum) they couldn't be found in, or traded to, Hoenn? Of course they were. Are Shadow Pokémon, which are exclusive to the consoles, not considered real Pokémon? Of course not. If GF didn't have cross-gen compatibility again next gen (hypothetically speaking), and decided to throw out the entire National Dex as it stands now in favour of the next gen Dex, ruling all pre-VI Pokémon unofficial, would we still call them Pokémon? Of course we would.

    The same goes for the Mew situation. Before they started officially distributing them, Mew was just a mysterious rumour a few trainers had managed to encounter--by manipulating glitches, no less. And you can still do it today, if you have an RBYG cartridge or a Gameshark, yet I don't see anyone calling Mew people have caught this way "unofficial". Hell, we have a whole section on this forum dedicated to artificial hacked Pokémon, which are much less authentic than glicthes like Missingno (which come ready made, just like a official Pokémon), yet a significant number of fans accept them as real enough Pokémon.

    At the end of the day, the only thing that differentiates glitch Pokémon from official Pokémon is the fact that they weren't intended by the game designers. It's pure absurdity to write them off as not even a kind of Pokémon just for that, much less call other forumgoers "the most annoying part of the fandom" and such for refusing to give into such obsessive-compulsive hair-splitting too.
    You bring up a valid point: events. Whether you get Pokémon through glitches or not, the fact that Mew got an event in Generation I means that the developers admit it being a Pokémon. Similarly, Meloetta wasn't an official Pokémon until it got advertised and distributed, and subsequently, recognised by Gamefreak. It was only through hacking that we knew about it; Gamefreak didn't intend for it to be a Pokémon until they announced it.

    If compatibility was to be cut, then the Pokémon established will get a way of being in the new region. If they were cut out from future games completely, with no way of acquiring them, not even being programmed into the coding, they would cease to be a Pokémon. The fact that MISSINGNO. isn't even a variation of a Pokémon, like the Spiky-eared Pichu, and not accessible without cheating in future generations, means that it isn't a Pokémon. I don't personally count hacked Pokémon as legitimate Pokémon, the species is still real, even if the Pokémon isn't.

    Since MISSINGNO. was never distributed by an event, and isn't a variation of an existing Pokémon, then it isn't a Pokémon. Yes, the only difference glitch Pokémon have to legitimate Pokémon is that they weren't intended by the designers, and that is enough of a reason for them not to be a Pokémon. Pokéstar Studios props have more of a reason to be actual Pokémon, as they were intended by the developers, but they aren't because the game admits they are not Pokémon.
  17. Black Dragon's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyuuketsuki
    You bring up a valid point: events. Whether you get Pokémon through glitches or not, the fact that Mew got an event in Generation I means that the developers admit it being a Pokémon. Similarly, Meloetta wasn't an official Pokémon until it got advertised and distributed, and subsequently, recognised by Gamefreak. It was only through hacking that we knew about it; Gamefreak didn't intend for it to be a Pokémon until they announced it.

    If compatibility was to be cut, then the Pokémon established will get a way of being in the new region. If they were cut out from future games completely, with no way of acquiring them, not even being programmed into the coding, they would cease to be a Pokémon. The fact that MISSINGNO. isn't even a variation of a Pokémon, like the Spiky-eared Pichu, and not accessible without cheating in future generations, means that it isn't a Pokémon. I don't personally count hacked Pokémon as legitimate Pokémon, the species is still real, even if the Pokémon isn't.

    Since MISSINGNO. was never distributed by an event, and isn't a variation of an existing Pokémon, then it isn't a Pokémon. Yes, the only difference glitch Pokémon have to legitimate Pokémon is that they weren't intended by the designers, and that is enough of a reason for them not to be a Pokémon. Pokéstar Studios props have more of a reason to be actual Pokémon, as they were intended by the developers, but they aren't because the game admits they are not Pokémon.

    Actually, to be fair, Missingno can be obtained without the use of hacking. This can be done via trading of course. It still does have the effect of ruing your Hall of Fame and causes everything to bug out. Except, it only has a Pokedex entry in the earlier versions. (Red, Green, Blue, and Yellow) So, it can be traded without the use of hacking or any type of cheats. In fact, there was supposedly and appearance of Missingno in Ruby/Sapphire. I don't believe it though..

    But I do recall that there was a another glitch in Ruby/Sapphire that was something like a "Black circle"?
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    There are good reasons to believe that Missingno. is a pokemon. It has many of the characteristics of a pokemon (base stats, moves, typing, ability to be caught, evolution, etc.), but it also differs from other pokemon in several ways.

    First of all, its presence changes other parts of the game (player inventory and hall of fame). No legitimate pokemon changes the game in such a way.

    My second point will be index numbers. In addition to a pokedex number, each pokemon was assigned an index number. In every other gen the index number matched up with the pokemon's dex number, but in gen 1 it did not. As you know, in order to summon a Missingno., you need to force the game to encounter a pokemon with an undefined index number. Therefore, unlike every other pokemon that only has one index number, Missingno. has multiple.

    Here is my third and final point, and this point literally makes all other points obsolete. Game Freak says that it's not a pokemon, and whatever Game Freak says, goes. If Game Freak says it's not a pokemon, then it's not a pokemon, end of story.

    Quote Originally Posted by PkmnGreen
    What Ninfia said, it's nothing more than a glitch.
    Not a real pokemon maybe, but nothing more than a glitch? I resent that sir.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMissingno.
    There are good reasons to believe that Missingno. is a pokemon. It has many of the characteristics of a pokemon (base stats, moves, typing, ability to be caught, evolution, etc.), but it also differs from other pokemon in several ways.

    First of all, its presence changes other parts of the game (player inventory and hall of fame). No legitimate pokemon changes the game in such a way.

    My second point will be index numbers. In addition to a pokedex number, each pokemon was assigned an index number. In every other gen the index number matched up with the pokemon's dex number, but in gen 1 it did not. As you know, in order to summon a Missingno., you need to force the game to encounter a pokemon with an undefined index number. Therefore, unlike every other pokemon that only has one index number, Missingno. has multiple.

    Here is my third and final point, and this point literally makes all other points obsolete. Game Freak says that it's not a pokemon, and whatever Game Freak says, goes. If Game Freak says it's not a pokemon, then it's not a pokemon, end of story.


    Not a real pokemon maybe, but nothing more than a glitch? I resent that sir.

    Third point kicks ass Well, that just about cleared things up..
  20. Kyuuketsuki's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Twilight Knight
    Actually, to be fair, Missingno can be obtained without the use of hacking. This can be done via trading of course. It still does have the effect of ruing your Hall of Fame and causes everything to bug out. Except, it only has a Pokedex entry in the earlier versions. (Red, Green, Blue, and Yellow) So, it can be traded without the use of hacking or any type of cheats. In fact, there was supposedly and appearance of Missingno in Ruby/Sapphire. I don't believe it though..

    But I do recall that there was a another glitch in Ruby/Sapphire that was something like a "Black circle"?
    With or without hacking, the fact that it isn't recognised and portrayed in the game as a Pokémon means that it isn't. There was a glitch in Diamond & Pearl where you can surf to get Darkrai, but it was fixed by Gamefreak, and Darkrai was released later. MISSINGNO. was never released as an official Pokémon, even though, like Darkrai, it was originally the product of a glitch. It will only be a Pokémon when it gets a legitimate release.
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