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The Truth About The Best Generation of Pokemon

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by , 29th August 2012 at 11:35 PM (1642 Views)
As told by GlitchMasterPlesiosaur of Pokememes. I think we can all learn something from her. Which is the best generation of pokemon?




And now we know, the truth is, there IS no best generation of pokemon. All generations have their ups and downs, but the one thing that they all have in common is that they are pokemon, through and through. Yes, Generation 3 has Luvdisc and the Regis. Generation 4 has Bidoof and Regigigas. Generation 5 has Vanillite and Trubbish. But you know what? Generation 1 had Bellsprout and Paras. And Generation 2 had Sunkern and Hoppip. Among those despised pokemon, are pokemon that have risen to greatness. Charizard, Dragonite, Tyranitar, Lugia, Sceptile, Salamence, Garchomp, Lucario, Serperior, Hydreigon, all belong to different generations, and all of them are great in their own way. Whether you prefer the old or the new, we ALL love pokemon. THAT is what binds us, and no matter what you say, no matter what you do to show your support for your generation, at the end of the day you are still supporting pokemon. Isn't that what matters?

EDIT: Love how my blog entry about unity among fans has turned into the very thing I`m trying to help stop. Seriously, there's a section in the forums for that, plus VM's/PM's, and your own blogs. Knock it off, or I`m taking down the blog entry and resubmitting it with the controlling comments option on.

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Updated 30th August 2012 at 03:01 AM by Catilena1890

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  1. Master Mew's Avatar
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    Um... *points at the chart you posted*

    Pretty clearly Kanto is the best.
  2. H-con's Avatar
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    And now we know, the truth is, there IS no best generation of pokemon
    What? I'd rather have people have a favorite generation and hate others, instead of just passively saying they love all generations, mostly because I think the latter is just bullshit, and nobody really means it anyways. It's just a cheap excuse to not get into an argument.

    Also, you can't really "prove" anything by looking at just some factors when judging the generation as a whole. You have to look at the region, the features introduced, the characters, the plot, side games and remakes, the pokémon (and that leaves a lot of room for opinion) to even hope to get a full opinion of the generation.

    Also, why the fuck does it make sense to sum the percentage of "colorful" pokémon with the percentage of pokémon that have evolutions from pokémon in previous generations? Or generally just summing them together?

    Also, why use something from pokémemes when you could just, you know, maker your own picture. Just sayin'.

    And genwunners can't possible be "real fans", when they're not even fans to begin with. No one can possibly be interested in the franchise that much and yet hate everything that the series have produced after gen I. Either they're culturally arrogant people claiming that they're childhood was the best (and most likely have no real interest for pokémon now, except to state that there's just 150 real pokémon. University, why are you doing this to me?), or they genuinely like some (though certainly not all) of introduced pokémon or concepts in the seres, they just don't say it.
  3. Catilena1890's Avatar
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    @Master Mew Nope, it's tied with Johto for Inanimate object-based pokemon, Unova for pokemon related to an earlier generation, the other four for color palettes, and SLIGHTLY edges out Johto by 3 percent for legendaries, and slightly edges out Hoenn by 3 in total score.

    The point of the chart is to show that all the generations are fairly balanced, and the argument over which generation is best is pointless and stupid. At the end of the day, both sides have one thing in common: both sides love pokemon. THAT is why GlitchMasterPlesiosaur made this meme, and why I posted here.

    @H-con You just contradicted yourself. First you say people who love all generations are full of bullshit and just don't want to get into an argument, and yet you are saying genwunners can't be real fans? Make up your mind there hun, you're sending conflicting messages.

    And I DO love all generations of pokemon. The only pokemon I can't stand is stunfisk, and that is just because it looks really creepy when it smiles. Am I trying to avoid an argument? Of course not! I love debating and arguing with people. You need to hang out with me at NL, you`ll see how much of a bitch I am. I`m just saying that there really is no one generation superior/inferior to any others. That is my opinion and I am sticking to it.

    As for why I didn't make my own chart, I didn't think of it until I saw the meme, and I can't draw to save my life. I also hate trying to think of percentages.
    Updated 30th August 2012 at 02:02 AM by Catilena1890
  4. Master Mew's Avatar
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    Gen 1 was excellent (and we wouldn't have the rest without it, mind you), and Gen 2, despite a rocky run in the anime, was a great addition to the franchise. After that? Well, I personally lost interest. I bought the games and didn't enjoy them. I watched the anime and it felt stale. I saw the movies and they felt contrived.

    It could just be that I grew out of it, but I still like the first and second generations so that pretty well excludes that possibility.

    Funny how that makes me "not even [a fan] to begin with."
  5. Catilena1890's Avatar
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    @Master Mew I am not denying that. I DO love generations 1 and 2. I also adore the other three. I agree that the anime declined significantly during Johto and after AG *as I loved the character development of May, her rivals and Max, and realistic goal of becoming top coordinator*. I didn't really get into pokemon until generation 3, and enjoyed 4 and 5. Some people outgrow it, some don't. And the movies are shit, but at least we get legend action.

    And I never said you weren't a real fan, H-con McConfilictingWords did, which I called him out on. Genwunner or not, you are a fan of pokemon, and that is the only point the gal who made the meme was trying to make with her chart, and the point I was trying to make with this blog.
  6. H-con's Avatar
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    The point of the chart is to show that all the generations are fairly balanced
    The only thing I read out of it that it was not balanced. The very example of this is that Sinnoh ends up 49 and Kanto at 12, and then the creator just dismisses these numbers that (s)he have "scientifically proven" for what? Doesn't that remove the entire point of the numbers? Oh, but that's not possible, it goes against the very concept of the post, so hey, let's not think of them. Then again, I don't find it reasonable to add these silly percentages, and they take so few factors into account it's really not a very serious attempt, but the poster could at least have made something that agrees on the very point (s)he is trying to defend.

    You just contradicted yourself. First you say people who love all generations are full of bullshit and just don't want to get into an argument, and yet you are saying genwunners can't be real fans? Make up your mind there hun, you're sending conflicting messages.
    No, that's not really what I meant, though I see how it was easy to misunderstand me.

    My point was that there's people out there that quite frankly don't care about pokémon anymore, yet still claim how there's only 150 (ugh) ("real") pokémon. Think about that, why would they say that? It's because they want to "brag" about their childhood, and seeing how the new gens of pokémon contradict that, they look down on them. They don't really care about pokémon. As for my other example, it's just that they're in denial about liking newer things. I honestly don't think people would follow a franchise like this for so many years if there wasn't anything new they liked. Then they are fans, they are just a bit ... misguided.

    No person outside of the fandom that I have met that have said "there's only 150 pokémon" (etc. etc., you get the point), care really about pokémon at all. They can't be true fans when they aren't fans to begin with. You could say they were fans though, but not anymore.

    That is my opinion and I am sticking to it.
    To be honest, I don't believe that's your true opinion. Now, I could very well be wrong about that (and many other things, for that matter), but I don't think it's reasonable to not have one that you like better than others. This doesn't mean everything else is shit (like some people seem to think you imply) just because you favor one gen over others, but some things in games appeal to people more than others, and I think this is an inescapable fact.





    Also, I never even tried to say Master Mew wasn't a fan to begin with, just clearing that up.
  7. Gama's Avatar
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    So these are the objectively true, equally weighted four arguments for why Pokemon games suck? I see.

    Personally, I don't believe in "later generations" v. "earlier generations", but I do believe that some generations suck considerably more than others. For example, I think Gen I are quite possibly the best games, but Gen V would come very close after that. Gen III, on the other hand, is, in my humble opinion, the arsehole of the Pokemon universe.

    All of these opinions are for reasons that are not included on this objectively, research-based, scientifically accurate chart which aptly sums up the entirety of the Pokemon fandom.

    EDIT: @H-con;
    Blog comments are for debate. The debate shouldn't stop, just because you can't see any way it won't devolve into a flamewar.
    People like you are what is wrong with internet based debates. FLAME WAR =/= DEBATE
  8. H-con's Avatar
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    People like you are what is wrong with internet based debates. FLAME WAR =/= DEBATE
    Errr, what? I seem to missing your point. I mean flame war as in literally just throwing (virtual) shit and insults at each other, like I have seen many times when it comes down to this specific matter. Now, tell me how anything, any forum, benefits from that? Of course things can get ... heated during a discussion of what gen is the best, but I don't think that is a flamewar. If I didn't want my opinion called out on, then I wouldn't post it.



    Also, to be honest, the "debates" on this matter in the Video games section is pretty lame. They could actually use something spicing them up, rather then saying "all generations are equal" and all that jazz, because I don't think that reflects the general opinion (that people actually have favorites)
  9. Robo-Floatzel's Avatar
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    I do certainly agree with this idea, all the generations have their good points and their bad points, there is truly no best generation of Pokemon, they're all great and bad in different areas and aspects.
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  10. Ghetsis-Dennis's Avatar
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    Except Charizard, Sceptile, and Serperior are suffering in the low tiers, you didn't mention about the metagame. The arguments between the newer and older fans is why the latest entries are controversial games.
  11. Ranger Jack Walker's Avatar
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    I see the point the maker of the image was trying to make but you can just add a mix of numbers and percentages and call it a day. You're breaking maths.
  12. Catilena1890's Avatar
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    I don't care about the math so much as the message. I don't think there IS a better generation frankly. I like generation 3 more than generation 2 because generation 3 was where my love for pokemon started, and I think generation 5 is better than generation 4 because Unova had more pokemon I fell in love with than generation 4 did, including my favorite pokemon serperior, but I still value ALL generations equally, because despite my OPINIONS on them, all generations are pokemon in every way, shape or form. Even if a Genwunner says that Generation 1 and 2 are the only real pokemon generations, and an Allgenner says that Genwunners aren't real fans, that doesn't make generations 3-5 any less worthy than 1 and 2, and it doesn't make them lesser fans for how they feel. Instead of focusing on what's right or wrong, focus on what really matters. Both sides love pokemon. THAT is the point of this blog.

    @H-con I DO love debating, but I prefer to do it where it is proper. MY blog isn't a proper place for debating. The purpose of my blog is to give information that serves a real point. I don't give a crap about the numbers beyond the fact that they aren't grossly overbalanced like everyone says *well before the total anyway, which I agree doesn't help the chart*. And I am having a hard time believing you when you say you didn't try to say Master Mew wasn't a fan, because frankly you did. While you didn't outright say "MASTER MEW ISN'T A REAL FAN" you implied it when you said Genwunners aren't real fans, or even fans to begin with, WHICH by the way, you posted AFTER Master Mew. If that's not a shot at his fandom, I don't know what is.

    @G-Mama @Robo-Floatzel <3

    @Ghetsis-Dennis There are enough numbers here, don't get stats involved. Charizard and Sceptile are fan favorites, despite typing and stats, and Serperior is MY favorite, that is why they were included.

    @Ranger Jack Walker Maths broke me. I broke them back *with a meme*
  13. Phoenixphlare's Avatar
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    Pokemon wise there is no best though gen 5 did release a bunch of super cool power houses but Gen 5 is the best imo for the simple fact that it introduced unlimited TM use. If gen six introduces IV altering items or services completely destroying the need for iv breeding then I will declare that the best generation.
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  14. Catilena1890's Avatar
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    @Wyvernphlare That is the kind of thing I`m looking for. Thank you for your comment.
  15. Gama's Avatar
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    @H-con;

    Quote Originally Posted by H-con
    Errr, what? I seem to missing your point. I mean flame war as in literally just throwing (virtual) shit and insults at each other, like I have seen many times when it comes down to this specific matter. Now, tell me how anything, any forum, benefits from that? Of course things can get ... heated during a discussion of what gen is the best, but I don't think that is a flamewar. If I didn't want my opinion called out on, then I wouldn't post it.
    Surely this is a reason that closing comments on a blog when you see that there is no way it can become anything but a flame war is not only a reasonble thing to do, but the responsible thing to do?
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    While you didn't outright say "MASTER MEW ISN'T A REAL FAN" you implied it when you said Genwunners aren't real fans, or even fans to begin with, WHICH by the way, you posted AFTER Master Mew. If that's not a shot at his fandom, I don't know what is.
    I never claimed that he was a genwunner to begin with, nor did I even imply it. There's a load of difference from having one generation as their favorite and outright going "Only 150 real pogeymanz", don't you agree? To say that would go against my very point, that people have preferences (and if you behave the way I have mentioned several times, you're either not a fan at all, and then I dare say you sure wouldn't be on a pokémon forum, or you are in bad case of denial. I was not implying either, certainly not the first), and it's fine to prefer one gen (like gen I, in this instance) over others.

    Surely this is a reason that closing comments on a blog when you see that there is no way it can become anything but a flame war is not only a reasonble thing to do, but the responsible thing to do?
    And what is your point, exactly? That debates on topics should be closed, just because you don't see any other ways? You can discuss it, but you shouldn't just shut it down in fear of it getting out of control, that way nothing will get discussed at all. That's not responsible at all, that's just running away from an argument.



    Look, in the end, I can't really say anything on what you choose to think about ... well, anything, but my point is that I honestly don't believe people like all generations equally, and that's perfectly fine. It just seems to me like if some people say they like on gen over another, that's interpreted as they hate everything else, and thus results in the argument used here. That's just me though.

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