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Did 156 Pokemon being released in Generation V spoil people?

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by , 25th October 2013 at 01:46 PM (2059 Views)
There are 72 Kalos Pokemon, and 28 mega evolutions. That makes for a total of one hundred new Pokemon designs, and yet people are complaining about the amount of Pokemon being released. It's true that there are a total of 29 new evolutions for old Pokemon, but in Unova we didn't have any, so the amount this generation makes up for it.

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  1. Karamazov's Avatar
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    I wasn't expecting a lot of Pokemon, just enough to work with. What we have in Gen VI not enough for me, especially since I wanted to save megalutions for later and focus on the new Pokemon. I'm not a fan of a lot of the designs here, and there's not a lot of variety to choose from if I want a new team. I love mega evos, but I'd also have liked actual cross-gen evolutions as well, since they're actual new Pokemon, aren't temporary and limited to certain conditions, and usually have more striking differences in terms of design.

    I'm was pretty much pigeonholed into using certain Pokemon if I wanted to use new Pokemon. I can understand their reasons (3D models, not enough time, all that speculation) and I try to avoid harping on it, but I'm still not happy about it. Especially since I don't care for quite a few designs this time around. It really kills the enjoyment for me and makes me less interested in replaying X and Y.
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  2. HumanDawn's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Contrary
    I wasn't expecting a lot of Pokemon, just enough to work with. What we have in Gen VI not enough for me, especially since I wanted to save megalutions for later and focus on the new Pokemon. I'm not a fan of a lot of the designs here, and there's not a lot of variety to choose from if I want a new team. I love mega evos, but I'd also have liked actual cross-gen evolutions as well, since they're actual new Pokemon, aren't temporary and limited to certain conditions, and usually have more striking differences in terms of design.

    I'm was pretty much pigeonholed into using certain Pokemon if I wanted to use new Pokemon. I can understand their reasons (3D models, not enough time, all that speculation) and I try to avoid harping on it, but I'm still not happy about it. Especially since I don't care for quite a few designs this time around. It really kills the enjoyment for me and makes me less interested in replaying X and Y.
    Their designs are good enough for me, and I managed to make 4 out of 6 members out of my team Kalos Pokemon, with Gardevior and Charizard, the 2 other members of my team, be able to mega evolve into the new Pokemon. You could make a full member of your team Kalos only Pokemon if you wanted to, and there was a range of variety from there to pick. I'd like to get Y to replay it next year but with different Pokemon. I think you should have played Y later btw.
  3. Garren's Avatar
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    Some people don't count Mega Evolutions as fully New Pokemon, since you can't "catch them" (there's no Dex for them besides simply showing you've seen their models), Pokemon-Amie them, etc.

    Can't say I feel they don't count as New Pokemon, but I understand how they're not as...impactful to the series as full-on Pokemon. I'm starting to take a liking to most of the New 'Mons though, so I'm satisfied for the most part but, yes, I would gladly give up Megas in exchange for more New Pokemon (bar Mega Medicham).
  4. Gaga's Avatar
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    It spoiled me, I freely admit :V

    I think, Pokemon-wise, Gen V is my favorite. But I liked almost every single Pokemon introduced in X&Y. For the first time since HG/SS, I was actually scrambling to pick my team and had a constantly revolving team of Pokemon. There were just so many things I wanted to use.
  5. Norzan's Avatar
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    It didn't spoiled me actualy since i understood why they made 156 in Gen 5. At first it bothered me a little that are only 70~ pokemon but since i like most of them it doesn't bother me anymore.
  6. Spikeheila's Avatar
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    Yeah, def people don't consider mega evos new pokemon.. Despite having new models, new SHINY models verions, different , new, and sometimes exclusive abilities, and whatnot. It's a shame really :/
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  7. Karamazov's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spikeheila
    Despite having new models, new SHINY models verions, different , new, and sometimes exclusive abilities, and whatnot.
    I really don't count them because you can't play with them in mon-Amie, they're not given a Dex number, I don't feel that many of them are that different from their original form (Blaziken -> Mega Blaziken), and they're temporary and can only be used in battle, under certain conditions. They're upgrades, form changes. Like Giratina's formes, I don't consider them new Pokemon, but merely extensions. Which I'm sure it the intent, though they shouldn't have taken away almost all cross-gen evos for it.
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  8. SammyW27's Avatar
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    Shoot, designing the mega-evos had to be about as much work for Mr. Sugimori as designing a whole new Pokémon.

    And hell, after all these years they HAD to start running out of ideas sooner or later...
    Shoot, part of me is amazed they were able to keep thinking up about a hundred new critters at a time for so long (though Gen 5 showed just how difficult it was getting...)
    Updated 25th October 2013 at 06:54 PM by SammyW27
  9. Zeta's Avatar
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    Mega Pokemon are halfway between a new and an old Pokemon. They're good, but not quite there for the reasons others have stated. I also feel like a lot of them are just old Pokemon with more dangly bits added. Some of them are drastic like Alakazam, Gengar, or Mewtwo, but a lot of the look like someone just came at them with a glue gun and some glitter like Aerodactyl, Venusaur, and Gardevoir. And even then, I don't think we got enough Megas to justify phoning in the rest of the dex. We didn't even get a single Mega GV for instance.
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  10. Hidden Mew's Avatar
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    Personally, I don't consider Mega Pokemon new Pokemon. They're more like upgraded alternate forms with more hype around them than most other alternate forms. They're only temporary, you can't play with them in Pokemon-Amie and they don't have a Dex number. I'm sure that they treat them like new Pokemon, like they do with all alternate forms, but I don't see them as such. Most of the Mega Evolutions are cool, but I kind of wish that they had more cross generation evolutions besides Sylveon. They're permanent, can have more drastic designs and a lot of Pokemon could still benefit from getting a traditional evolution rather than a Mega Evolution.

    As for the Kalos Pokemon, I'm of two minds about it. On one hand, it is kind of disappointing that they don't have as many brand new Pokemon. I thought that we'd get at least a hundred and I really wanted a lot more brand new Fairy types, instead of mostly consisting of older Pokemon being retyped. I wanted some cool combination like Fairy/Bug, Fairy/Flying and Fairy/Water that isn't from the Marill line. But on the other hand, I think that there are enough new Pokemon for people to make teams of just Kalos Pokemon. Aside from my Kanto starters, both of my teams have just Kalos Pokemon. So, I'm still a bit disappointed in how many new Pokemon we have, but I'm also kind of okay with it, or growing to accept it, at the same time.
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  11. 33Whimsicott33's Avatar
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    I wonder if they're somehow trying to avoid ret-cons due to eviolite existing.

    That being said, they ret-conned pokemon left and right in this gen, so who knows.
  12. Karamazov's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hidden Mew
    Fairy/Bug
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  13. venusboi79's Avatar
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    I'm pleased with the majority of new 'mons we did get. In Gen V, there were plenty of new Pokemon to catch, but few I wanted on my team. This Gen, I've kept Pokemon in my party far longer than I planned, simply because I enjoyed them so much. However, I enjoy catching and collecting, and it's disappointing that we got so few this go-around. I don't really count Megas as "new". Mainly because they're not something I can collect. I can't put them in the PC in their Mega form (unlike most forms/formes), and most of them are really just old Pokemon in fancy wigs and outfits.

    Maybe it's just my nostalgia talking, but I miss the first couple of Gens, where I had multiple options for my party, as well as lots of collection fodder. The last few Gens have felt like one or the other.
  14. HumanDawn's Avatar
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    Like I said, it's still 100 new Pokemon designs whether or not you see them as being new Pokemon, and my point was that they shouldn't be discredited as not being new Pokemon designs just because they don't have a Dex number, can't be played with on Amie and are unavailable outside of battle. It bothers me a bit seeing people not appreciating that GameFreak worked hard on making the mega evolutions and just demand for more Pokemon to be released in one generation despite the fact that in just the previous generation 156 new Pokemon came out. It comes across to me as being really greedy and disrespectful, as if GameFreak made nothing "New" at all when that's not really true.

    I don't understand why it's such a big deal, you could just see the mega evolution on your Pokedex instead of the PC, and GameFreak could have made mega Pokemon in the Pokemon Amie if they wanted to by making the Pokemon evolve in it and you could pet it from there.

    Quote Originally Posted by Contrary
    They're upgrades, form changes. Like Giratina's formes, I don't consider them new Pokemon, but merely extensions. Which I'm sure it the intent, though they shouldn't have taken away almost all cross-gen evos for it.
    They're not form changes like Giratina. Giratina changes its base stats using its current strength. Mega evolved Pokemon don't change their shape(i know that some don't) and appearance only, but become stronger too, having higher base stats. This isn't like a Digimon form either, where Beelzemon just gains a gun and wings in his Blast Mode. You could even say that Digimon's evolutions aren't really new Digimon because they can go back to their pre evolutions too.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hidden Mew
    They're more like upgraded alternate forms with more hype around them than most other alternate forms.
    You got that idea just because they are the only Pokemon that are able to pre evolve and don't have a dex number.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hidden Mew
    I'm sure that they treat them like new Pokemon, like they do with all alternate forms, but I don't see them as such.
    They don't treat Darmanitan's two modes as two different Pokemon, but the same one that can work different with having its stats switched. Mega Pokemon had to be able to pre evolve because they're too powerful, imagine having to face against a Mega Blaziken, Lucario, Gyarados, Medicham, Scizor and Garchomp. Although they could have made it that only one could be used, I think that would have been a very awkward design choice.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hidden Mew
    Most of the Mega Evolutions are cool, but I kind of wish that they had more cross generation evolutions besides Sylveon. They're permanent, can have more drastic designs and a lot of Pokemon could still benefit from getting a traditional evolution rather than a Mega Evolution.
    I agree that there are certain Pokemon who could use a permanent cross generation evolution, and a mix of the two wouldn't have been bad either.
    Quote Originally Posted by Hidden Mew
    Fairy/Flying
    Togetic and Togekiss got retyped with that typing! ^^ (btw I just got a Togepi in a trade and if anyone would like one i can breed one for you!!)

    Quote Originally Posted by Hidden Mew
    Aside from my Kanto starters, both of my teams have just Kalos Pokemon. So, I'm still a bit disappointed in how many new Pokemon we have, but I'm also kind of okay with it, or growing to accept it, at the same time.
    Yeah, another complaint I can understand about mega evolutions taking the spot as the new Pokemon is how they're just expanding on an idea they already had.(I could say this for all new cross evolutions though)

    Mega Pokemon don't have that much individuality either with no dex information and entire new name for their own. Still I consider them new Pokemon and they, along with the new Kalos Pokemon have satisfied me for this generation. They're different enough for me, and they've made me like their evolution line more.
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