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From the thread: Fairies and the Fairy Type: Why Fairies aren't a bad idea for a type

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by , 17th June 2013 at 11:14 PM (2070 Views)
Quote Originally Posted by Spectrum Achromatic View Post
The word "fairy" is from the kanji 妖精, which means "wicked, vicious spirit". It doesn't automatically translate to something like Tinkerbell in anyways.

I think it's because of Sylveon that the "fairy" type is being negatively viewed by some. I once made a blog post on how Sylveon's design looks like those creatures from magical girl anime shows - and Sylveon just looks like it can fit in a show like Madoka Magica without any trouble at all. I think THAT's part of the problem why people seem to think the overall fairy-type is a bad idea because it looks so 'girly', 'magical-anime-ish', 'stupid-moe' (yes, I heard someone saying that somewhere). Sylveon's image kinda brought it on people. Look at the pictures in the spoiler and you'll see what I mean.


Pokemon itself isn't meant to be anything like those kinds of anime where girly girl magical fantasies are happening (I know Madoka isn't that kind of anime, but let's just go with the overall impression). Yet somehow, Sylveon's introduction kinda brought that on people because it's design just screams "Hey I'm MEANT to target the little girlies because I'm so cute and magical!". So people assume the fairy-type itself is all like that. And with the pokemons they introduced as fairy-types, it's not exactly doing anything to help get rid of that impression.

Jigglypuff - the pink cuddly singer.
Marill - the blue cuddly mouse.
Gardevoir - the guardian angel similar to those female elves you see in MMOs

They're all either very cute or feminine in appearance.

If they had actually introduced a pokemon like Mismagius as a fairy-type, then people might've had a different impression since Mismagius is actually a ghost-type that's more like an evil witch. Or introduce a trickster fairy pokemon that looks similar to Sabyele. If they keep introducing fairy-type pokemons that are cute or feminine, it's not going to do them much justice because no matter how we scream "FAIRIES AREN'T TINKERBELL!!", the impression won't go away easily.

The fairy-type isn't a bad idea - it's that they released girly-ish pokemons as fairy-types that made this whole debate, imo. We need some actual fairies that aren't cute/feminine. Personally, I'd be all for faires that look like trolls depicted in those Europeon folktales.

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  1. Phoenixphlare's Avatar
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    Doesn't change the fact that introducing a new type right now is unartistic just throw it in even though it conflicts with earlier stuff we'll just make everything conform to the it we'll force it to work. I'm not opposed to change as long as it stays true and has meaning. I'd argue against both.

    People say dragon has an advantage offensively cause only steel resists it but if say bug or something resisted it the type would be blow away by their versatility
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  2. User_Name's Avatar
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    A fairy-type similar to Sableye? Ohh, cool. Stuff like that'd almost definitely tip the scales, for the better.
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  3. Shiny Metagross's Avatar
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    I'm excited to see how electric, fire and especially a steel/fairy would be handled.
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  4. Reila's Avatar
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    I don't think we are really getting non-feminine Fairy-type Pokémon and I am okay with that, let people complain if they want to, I still don't get why people are so bothered by a mostly girly type when there is a mostly manly one since Generation I. Double standards, I guess?

    Well, perhaps they can make a non-feminine fairy if they combine the type with Fighting? Also, I am (almost) sure when we get Fairy/Dark and Fairy/Ghost Pokémon, they will not be exactly "cute cute girly" and they may fit better then "wicked spirit" (awesome) definition. Although a Pokémon can be both things, wicked and cute. Also, there is a rumor about Mawile getting its type changed to Steel/Fairy, so it would be the first non-overly feminine Fairy-type, not to mention that Mawile is based on a ghost, so...
  5. Yato's Avatar
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    @Reila; Can't be helped... the video game world is still dominated by boys, though. And even though we've had feminine pokemons occasionaly, they were used by either female trainers or males that look pretty, so it doesn't really help. Example being Wally and his Gardevoir. Not exactly the manly guy.
    It would be awesome for Mawile for be a fairy. Though... personally, I'd like Mismagius to be Ghost/Fairy XDD Wicked witches are awesome.
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  6. Reila's Avatar
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    @Spectrum Achromatic; That might be true when we think about the whole gaming scenario, but as far as the Pokémon franchise is concerned, there are a LOT of females fans/players, so I think creating a girly type is a nice move of Game Freak. Let's not forget that the main target of the franchise are little kids, be them male or female, boys or girls. I would also like to add that quite a few males do like girly and cute things as well, cuteness isn't exclusive to females. Same goes to girls liking Fighting-type and manly Pokémon.

    And yeah, to be honest I don't think Steel/Fairy suits Mawile, its type should be Steel/Ghost to fit its real life basis.. Mismagius as Ghost/Fairy would be great, I agree, the fact it is single-type always bothered me.
  7. Please Understand's Avatar
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    This is a great move by Game Freak. Too bad many think this will change Pokémon in a big way (It does, by typing, but it is still a JRPG to it's core).
  8. Shiny Metagross's Avatar
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    I would totally go for Mawile becoming steel/fairy. Mawile being one of my favorite pokemon, I think it lends a certain awesomeness to the fairy type, not that I'm not also looking forward to my gardevoir also gaining fairy type, although that will force me to rethink their movesets to take advantage of their new level of kickassness against dragons and cover for what I assume will be new weaknesses.
  9. Green Zubat's Avatar
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    Spoiler: If the below is too tl;dr, I basically agree with Reila.

    Yet somehow, Sylveon's introduction kinda brought that on people because it's design just screams "Hey I'm MEANT to target the little girlies because I'm so cute and magical!". So people assume the fairy-type itself is all like that. And with the pokemons they introduced as fairy-types, it's not exactly doing anything to help get rid of that impression.

    Jigglypuff - the pink cuddly singer.
    Marill - the blue cuddly mouse.
    Gardevoir - the guardian angel similar to those female elves you see in MMOs

    They're all either very cute or feminine in appearance
    Given that every Fairy-type example we've seen so far has been like that, I think it's safe to say that possibly apart from some dark outliers (e.g. Ghost, Poison, Dragon or Dark/Fairy combos), Fairy is probably going to be of the fluffy, cute Tinkerbell kind.

    The fairy-type isn't a bad idea - it's that they released girly-ish pokemons as fairy-types that made this whole debate, imo. We need some actual fairies that aren't cute/feminine. Personally, I'd be all for faires that look like trolls depicted in those Europeon folktales.
    Why? I mean, don't get me wrong, I wouldn't mind seeing some dark fairies too, because it'd be original, and I expect they'll crop up in the type combos listed above, but I really don't think Fairy on the whole is going in that direction. As a pure type, I think Fairy will be soft, light, and yes, even girly--and what would be so wrong with that? Why is there such a backlash against a feminine type when a.) we already have two primarily masculine ones (Fighting & Dragon) and b.) there is a significant number of girls (and some guys) in the fanbase, old and young, who'll appreciate that?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wyvernphlare
    Doesn't change the fact that introducing a new type right now is unartistic
    Um, how? Adding a new type is one of the most fundamental things about the games GF could change, and represents a radical alteration to the franchise, and they haven't done it in over a decade. That's the complete opposite of unoriginal.

    just throw it in even though it conflicts with earlier stuff we'll just make everything conform to the it we'll force it to work. I'm not opposed to change as long as it stays true and has meaning. I'd argue against both.
    So I take it you disagree with Dark & Steel, then?

    People say dragon has an advantage offensively cause only steel resists it but if say bug or something resisted it the type would be blow away by their versatility
    One more resistance wouldn't do shit to Dragon, and everyone knows it, including GF, hence the introduction of Fairy.
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    Updated 18th June 2013 at 11:24 AM by Green Zubat
  10. Gaga's Avatar
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    I love my overly pink and ruffle-filled fairies thank you :3
    Unless Gamefreak has decided to show us only the cute Fairies and save the darker ones for later, I think it's safe to assume that we're getting the cute kind. Which I'm okay with. I like cute, what kind of monster wouldn't :C
  11. L.L.'s Avatar
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    I've been fine with the fairy type ever since I heard it is immune to dragon, my least favorite type. Sweeping someone's precious team of pseudo-legendary dragons will be a lot of fun.

    On the girly part, I don't really care. Game Freak knows the target audience, and is catering to part of it. While making cute Pokémon fairies hasn't helped its stereotype, I have a feeling we're going to get some that are more "acceptable" to the majority.
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  12. Phoenixphlare's Avatar
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    @GreenZubat; It was one line and one move and one generation acting like it the same is BEYOND FOOLISH. And complete opposite of unoriginal my ass it's pretty a fucking superficial way of changing the gameplay you know instead actually being creative any six year old can pull a BS type out of their ass. Two more resistences wouldn't do anything.
  13. Green Zubat's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wyvernphlare
    @GreenZubat; It was one line and one move and one generation acting like it the same is BEYOND FOOLISH. And complete opposite of unoriginal my ass it's pretty a fucking superficial way of changing the gameplay you know instead actually being creative any six year old can pull a BS type out of their ass.
    Would you care to justify any of these assertions, by any chance?

    Two more resistences wouldn't do anything.
    What are you talking about? I never suggested any additional resistances.
  14. Phoenixphlare's Avatar
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    @Green Zubat; What assertions need evidence? patching a system that's early and glitchy as hell isn't the same as adding a new type just cause. I REAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLY shouldn't have to explain that. Adding a new type isn't creative. Sure I can't prove this deductively but there is no such thing as a unit of creativity so asking for deductive evidence is kinda weird. If you inductive evidence then it should be self fucking evident. The number of times the words light type has been used over last decade and a half should be all the evidence you need less you need more. Figure out powers for twister like extra advantages and dragon resistant ability would be a far better way to nerf dragon if that is really necessary which it isn't unless they introduce more Dragon Legends in which case. Cooling it with the psuedo dragon would show far more effort and discipline.
  15. Green Zubat's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wyvernphlare
    @Green Zubat; What assertions need evidence? patching a system that's early and glitchy as hell isn't the same as adding a new type just cause. I REAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLY shouldn't have to explain that. Adding a new type isn't creative. Sure I can't prove this deductively but there is no such thing as a unit of creativity so asking for deductive evidence is kinda weird. If you inductive evidence then it should be self fucking evident. The number of times the words light type has been used over last decade and a half should be all the evidence you need less you need more. Figure out powers for twister like extra advantages and dragon resistant ability would be a far better way to nerf dragon if that is really necessary which it isn't unless they introduce more Dragon Legends in which case. Cooling it with the psuedo dragon would show far more effort and discipline.
    I was asking for justification because I'd responded to your argument with a valid counterargument, and you in turn responded by simply reasserting what you had earlier.

    Also, sure, you could tamper with moves, abilities and such to nerf Dragon that way, but it seems a lot simpler to just add Fairy like they have.

    I honestly don't see your problem with Fairy. You say it's not very creative, but it's only been done once before, ten+ years ago. Yeah, people have been calling for a new type for ages, but no one seriously expected them to do it; adding Fairy has taken everyone by surprise. All in all, I'd call Fairy a breath of fresh air to the franchise.
  16. The Outrage's Avatar
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    and Sylveon just looks like it can fit in a show like Madoka Magica without any trouble at all.
    That show is fucked up. Don't underestimate the cute cat thing, and don't underestimate fairies.

    If they had actually introduced a pokemon like Mismagius as a fairy-type, then people might've had a different impression since Mismagius is actually a ghost-type that's more like an evil witch.
    It's a banshee, which is a fairy apparently. Mismagius would have been better suited turning into a fairy than Marill.
  17. ninfiaVI's Avatar
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    The idea of a new type surprised me. At first I didn't like it, but it's grown on me more and more. Fairy fixing Dragon is like Dark fixing Psychic, an addition that really helped to balance the game. I think that a type renovation is just what we need. After all, the grass and poison types in particular deserve some attention.
    The feminine fanservice is nice after all the masculine fanservice pokemon has given us. I am not sure about pokemon like Flabebe, though...
  18. Pokémon Master Ash's Avatar
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    Actually I hated the idea at first, but it's grown on me to the point where I'm no longer bothered by it. Pretty much what NinfiaVI said is how I feel.

    Dragon types have had the spotlight for far too long. Time something came in to keep them in check.

    That, and I'm still partially a bit bitter my favorite types, Psychic Types, were bumped down by Dragon types. Sweet revenge: MWHAHAHAHAA! JK.
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    Updated 20th June 2013 at 02:51 AM by Pokémon Master Ash

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