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Detective Conan is another 15+ year-old show with no aging and no character replacement, but it has exceptionally good writing that is very consistent from episode 1 to the latest episode. The change in technology is implemented at the right times - moving from nobody having cellphones to everyone having an iphone variant. Yet, the quality of the show's writing has never dropped. It's one of the best aspects of Detective Conan - consistant writing.

As for Pokemon...

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  1. Karamazov's Avatar
    Yet, the quality of the show's writing has never dropped
    Meh, I think the quality varies greatly with that show. The I remember them having a rough period with really shitty mysteries.
  2. Kyriaki's Avatar
    @Contrary; some of the fillers, yes. But the Clash of Red and Black, and the recent Express Train Mystery featured excellent buildups and conclusion, and there's more than a few years gap between the two cases. At least they don't mess up on major plots.
  3. Satoshi-kun's Avatar
    It does help that Detective Conan is based on a manga. It's probably easier to make a good quality anime series when you already have a source that is of good quality to draw from.
  4. Kyriaki's Avatar
    @Satoshi-kun; The question is... the Pokemon anime is based on a game source that is of good quality to draw from and YET the anime kinda sucks as the years go by...

    And that's all a mystery XDD
  5. Pokemon Trainer Brendan's Avatar
    The question is... the Pokemon anime is based on a game source that is of good quality to draw from and YET the anime kinda sucks as the years go by...
    Pokemon video games aren't a good source to draw from though. A manga and a video game aren't really comparable as source materials, especially if story isn't the focus of the game (and it certainly isn't in Pokemon).

    Manga on the other hand, is probably the most ideal source material for an anime adaptation of a pre-existing story, and it's not hard to see why. Not only is your story serialised before production of the anime even begins, but you can translate panels directly into shots. Manga adaptations don't have to wrestle with the same gameplay/reality translation as game adaptations, or suffer from the same extent of infodump monologues that light novel adaptations are prone to.
  6. Satoshi-kun's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Spectrum Achromatic
    @Satoshi-kun; The question is... the Pokemon anime is based on a game source that is of good quality to draw from and YET the anime kinda sucks as the years go by...

    And that's all a mystery XDD
    Winterdaze beat me to it, manga (and light novels) are really some of the best source material to be used for a long-running popular anime series... but I will also add this: If the Pokemon anime was a true adaption of the games, it would probably be a 13 episode series per game (I doubt that you could even get a 26 episode series from a more story driven RPG like something from the Final Fantasy series). There really isn't much that you can do with what little story that you get, and the anime doesn't even follow the games all that much.

    Basically: If the Pokemon anime is a true adaptation of the games, then it has more filler than a hotdog.

    edit: I am actually unable to think of any long-running anime series that is not based on a manga that we could even compare Pokemon to. The fact that it has run as long as it has (how many episodes are we at? I'm pretty sure that it's over 800 now...) without any quality source material to draw from is a miracle.
    Updated 17th June 2013 at 01:22 AM by Satoshi-kun
  7. Kyriaki's Avatar
    @Winterdaze; There are quite a few successful light novel anime-adaptations, such as Durarara!!. I haven't seen much of light novels being adapted into anime, but are they unsuccessful for the most part in reality?

    And Pokemon did try to implement some of the game story directly in the anime. Episode N is one example. While they did change a lot of stuff so it would fit a 13-episode arc, it was one of the most heavily game-based plots, and even though it was rushed in the end, people found it okay for the most part (I know most of the positive response were due to N's popularity and Colress' unexpected importance lol but still). As long as they 'try' to adapt a game plot into the anime, they'll find a way to make the anime more based on the overall game plot. I'd say DP and AG did pretty good in that aspect, if it weren't for the pointless fillers and the rushed Magma vs Aqua arc.

    The anime is supposed to be based on the games - and I know stretching it out for 200+ episodes isn't easy. But still, there are a lot of good stuff to take from the games like unique characters (youngster Joey, the youngster who's obsessed with shorts, etc etc) and mini side-quests to get their ideas from, not just the overall plot on thwarting the bad guys and getting gym badges to challenge the league



    @Satoshi-kun; I guess that's probably what might have happened. Episode N is one example, and it was around 13 episodes as well.

    Still, the writers aren't using much of the source they are provided. There's a lot of stuff in the games they could be using, yet they are turning their backs on them and trying to come up with something that eventually ends up getting negative views and being called "pointless fillers". Why not use some mini-quests in the games? Why not use some NPCs in the games? The item trading in Anvil town? The bread delivery? The singer in Village Bridge? The lost pansage in Nimbasa? So many items to use, yet never even considered.
    Updated 17th June 2013 at 01:23 AM by Kyriaki
  8. Satoshi-kun's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Spectrum Achromatic
    Winterdaze, There are quite a few successful light novel anime-adaptations, such as Durarara!!. I haven't seen much of light novels being adapted into anime, but are they unsuccessful for the most part in reality.
    Light novels being adapted into anime has spawned some successful series. Slayers is one (four 26 episode series since 1995, three 26 episode and two 13 episode if you break down Revolution and Evolution-R into their 13 episode runs). Reki Kawahara's Accel World and Sword Art Online are also succcessful light novels turned into anime series. Toradora was another that I think did rather well. I am sure that there are many more series that I have enjoyed over the years that were also based on light novels, but I just didn't know about the source.

    As for why more things from the games are not included in the series, that is a mystery. Perhaps the people who write for the show thought that they would not work in the series, or would not work for the intended age group, who knows. There are also some elements of the games that just wouldn't work in the anime (can you imagine the "let's make poffins and pick berries with Ash" episodes?). I am sure that it all boils down to keeping the intended age group of Japanese children entertained and making them bug their parents into buying them more toys and games (I should write a parody story called "Pokemon: Buy Our Crap!").
  9. Nymphia's Avatar
    The Pokemon anime is a mix of a game adaptation and his original story. Explain the Pokemon anime compared to another show is difficult because the Pokemon anime lives in a "special" category regarding anime. What anime based on the games last so long?

    Explain the games based on the anime could be very difficult to explain, even by experts.

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