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Human/Pokemon Relationships

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by , 14th October 2012 at 09:41 AM (1385 Views)
By this, I mean in a romantic way. I never understand why the producers of the anime keep shoving these type of relationships in front of the audience from Latias to Meleotta. For one thing, it's labeled as beastiality, which is not only viewed wrong but also illegal (it's also a reason why everyone hated the plot for Sonic 06). However, @Knock Out; then told me that if a Skitty and a Wailord are able to breed despite being two different species, then why can't a human and a Pokemon? This gives me second thoughts on whether or not this relationship is either right or wrong, so guys, a little help on this information?

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  1. Karamazov's Avatar
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    With the anime, those types of crushes are usually innocently one-sided to make the Pokemon look cute. (And with Piplup and his weird Dawn crush, it's mostly for laughs.)

    As for Human/Pokemon romance, I am against them. Pokemon, even human-like Pokemon, are still Pokemon. You raise them, train them, and they're basically pets. And I don't care what art or fics exist on the internet, Pokemon are meant to be cute, innocent creatures and not objects of desire. But fun fact: according to an in-game book in the Canalave City library, human and Pokemon used to marry each other. I wonder if human-like Pokemon are the result of such unions in the past, or if there were human-like Pokemon before then? Food for thought.
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  2. Pyroclastic Friend's Avatar
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    Well, while Pokémon aren't so irrational, this is probably a taboo. About the sexual compatibility, there are the Human-Like and Field Egg groups.
  3. Luna Tiger's Avatar
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    What pokémon can't be is held at the same standard as real life animals, based on the breeding mechanics between pokémon and animals being too different (HSOWA at its best) AND the shared level of high intelligence of pokémon versus the varying levels of intelligence in regular animals, most of which do not reach the level of a pokémon's. Simply because they look like animals similar to our own, /we/ label it bestiality, and for no other reason. That doesn't mean that in-verse there are any such taboos, and applying our taboos to make ourselves comfortable isn't within the spirit of practicality, because if pokémon can romantically crush on a human, the reserve should also happen.

    Pokémon are treated as a mix between pet, weapon, friend, and are capable of making their own cognitive decisions with human-level reasoning, exactly like humans. They may as well be "human" in this regard, despite being anything but humanoid with powers that break physics' brain.

    The fact the game acknowledges past relations between human and pokémon (when they were closer in biology, back in ye ol days) pretty much indicates it was once okay and accepted. And as humans generally acknowledge a pokémon's intellect as "not stupid beasts" (because you wouldn't argue with your cat and expect it to ever ague back, admitted in a language you don't know but /can/ understand, which ALSO suggests humans and pokémon are still related to each other somehow), AND they don't seem to mind when they show overt affection...that evidence alone suggests it's not taboo overall for a human pairing romantically with a pokémon, but that "romantically" may not be defined as "sexually" and any such pairings probably don't reflect any sort of expectation /we/ would have of it.

    Take what you will. I just think it's inappropriate to label human/pokémon "bestiality" when there's just one similarity between our version and their version (which is pokémon happen to look like animals and that's wrong, from an outside perspective). It's only "wrong" from /our/ (real life) perspective; it might be perfectly acceptable from /their/ (fictional) perspective.
  4. Kaori's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karamazov
    With the anime, those types of crushes are usually innocently one-sided to make the Pokemon look cute. (And with Piplup and his weird Dawn crush, it's mostly for laughs.)

    As for Human/Pokemon romance, I am against them. Pokemon, even human-like Pokemon, are still Pokemon. You raise them, train them, and they're basically pets. And I don't care what art or fics exist on the internet, Pokemon are meant to be cute, innocent creatures and not objects of desire. But fun fact: according to an in-game book in the Canalave City library, human and Pokemon used to marry each other. I wonder if human-like Pokemon are the result of such unions in the past, or if there were human-like Pokemon before then? Food for thought.
    Karamazov, sometimes you say and speculate exactly what I tend to think and at those times I actually love you for a little while, no lie.
  5. Karamazov's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tiger

    Pokémon are treated as a mix between pet, weapon, friend, and are capable of making their own cognitive decisions with human-level reasoning, exactly like humans. They may as well be "human" in this regard, despite being anything but humanoid with powers that break physics' brain.
    You have a point there. That works for some Pokemon, like Gardevoir or Alazakam, or maybe even Pikachu. But there are a lot of Pokemon that don't have the maturity or skills to fully understand the implications. Slowpoke and a few other Pokemon who are characterized by their low intelligence or simplicity might not be able to understand such relationships. They could be comparable to the mentality of children. So while Ash is going off to marry Arceus or Pikachu, I doubt anyone will be marrying a Slowpoke or Pichu.

    Karamazov, sometimes you say and speculate exactly what I tend to think and at those times I actually love you for a little while, no lie.
    That ephemeral feeling you feel is nothing more than a passing fancy, so it's probably just gas. I give you indigestion.
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  6. HumanDawn's Avatar
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    Why hasn't anybody mentioned the fact that the anime made it out to be that human and Pokemon getting married is canon?
  7. Reila's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tiger
    What pokémon can't be is held at the same standard as real life animals, based on the breeding mechanics between pokémon and animals being too different (HSOWA at its best) AND the shared level of high intelligence of pokémon versus the varying levels of intelligence in regular animals, most of which do not reach the level of a pokémon's. Simply because they look like animals similar to our own, /we/ label it bestiality, and for no other reason. That doesn't mean that in-verse there are any such taboos, and applying our taboos to make ourselves comfortable isn't within the spirit of practicality, because if pokémon can romantically crush on a human, the reserve should also happen.

    Pokémon are treated as a mix between pet, weapon, friend, and are capable of making their own cognitive decisions with human-level reasoning, exactly like humans. They may as well be "human" in this regard, despite being anything but humanoid with powers that break physics' brain.

    The fact the game acknowledges past relations between human and pokémon (when they were closer in biology, back in ye ol days) pretty much indicates it was once okay and accepted. And as humans generally acknowledge a pokémon's intellect as "not stupid beasts" (because you wouldn't argue with your cat and expect it to ever ague back, admitted in a language you don't know but /can/ understand, which ALSO suggests humans and pokémon are still related to each other somehow), AND they don't seem to mind when they show overt affection...that evidence alone suggests it's not taboo overall for a human pairing romantically with a pokémon, but that "romantically" may not be defined as "sexually" and any such pairings probably don't reflect any sort of expectation /we/ would have of it.

    Take what you will. I just think it's inappropriate to label human/pokémon "bestiality" when there's just one similarity between our version and their version (which is pokémon happen to look like animals and that's wrong, from an outside perspective). It's only "wrong" from /our/ (real life) perspective; it might be perfectly acceptable from /their/ (fictional) perspective.
    This.
  8. Charles Dunois's Avatar
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    I was talking about it in the first place because I think/thought it would be awesome to date a Latias...
  9. $aturn¥oshi's Avatar
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    Luna said how I feel on the subject.
  10. Bikini Miltank's Avatar
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    Pretty much what Luna said, yeah. There is no real-life analog to Pokemon, because they're essentially non-human sentient beings (you could maybe argue this isn't canon in the games, but it sure as hell is in the anime: Meowth has a human-like intellect and is unique only in his ability to speak a human language). As humans, we have yet to tackle the potential problems inherent in romance between two very different, though sentient, species.

    The main thing standing in the way of human-Pokemon romance as far as I can see is a lack of effective two-way communication in almost all cases. Though that doesn't make it immoral so much as difficult.