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by , 26th May 2013 at 11:50 AM (1494 Views)
i can't believe there is still this going on.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Skmit6ASAjw&feature=youtu.be[/url]

also my new youtube channel is at [url]http://www.youtube.com/user/Azumarill39?feature=watch[/url]

Yes i use speakonia, but hopefully soon, i will get a mic.
if anyone has a youtube account, feel free to do commentaries on my vids and what not.

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  1. Pokémon Master Ash's Avatar
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    Watching this actually reminds me of when I used to outright hate and despise the TPCi dub. I recall I was one of the most ardent haters of TPCi's dub for a very long time, so I'm mainly speaking from my experience with the whole switchover. To be fair to the haters, I do think Sarah and the others were pretty awful as the characters in BF and early-mid DP, IMO. I don't really want to rewatch MoMP-mid DP again. For me, those arcs just bring up bad memories and were really painful for me to endure. I felt very betrayed and hurt by TPCi at the time, and it's still going to take some time for those wounds to heal.

    Generally, I was pretty butthurt like a lot of people still are now about the current VAs and so on. I actually don't have a problem with TPCi's dub anymore myself, but I don't really want to watch the older episodes of their dub again myself, because I didn't enjoy them that much. xD.

    What the haters don't seem to realize is that around Season 12, Galactic Battles, the TPCi cast began to improve greatly. For example, Sarah's Ash began to lighten in pitch significantly and sounds more like a kid these days. Jimmy's James isn't as nasally and afflicted with a cold as he used to sound. Michele's Jessie's sounds really close to Rachael's now, and she's dropped the high-pitched squealing and yelling she used to do. So there has been improvement. Granted I personally feel the dub was better when 4Kids had it, but that's just me- I legitimately enjoy it more-- not just because of the voice actors (though that is a part of it).

    Sarah Natochenny definitely isn't "shit." Sure, I prefer Veronica Taylor's voice myself, but that doesn't make her bad. Sure, I would argue she was downright terrible when she started, but she's decent now.

    TPCi haters are the same thing as the 4Kids haters: neither group is going to stop trolling Youtube videos of whatever they dub, unfortunately. "OMG...the new voices for Team Rocket suck!" "WTF happened to Ash's voice?" "4Kids ruined YGO for me! OMG, they cut out the guns!" "4Kids ruins everything, 4Shame, I'm a butthurt One Piece fan who can't get over it even when FUNimation has a good dub now of it!" = -_-

    Yeah, I know-- it's really annoying and frustrating to deal with, but unfortunately we have to be the bigger people and just ignore the comments. That's what I do myself these days. *Sighs*
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    Updated 26th May 2013 at 03:29 PM by Pokémon Master Ash
  2. Zexy's Avatar
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    I was not into Pokemon when the switch hapenned, so when I first watched English Dubbed Pokemon Anime (that being DP001) I had no problem with the voices at all. I later learned about what hapenned on Season 9 and I was wondering on why do people argue over some so trivial. Okay, you were watching a show for 8 years with some voice, and now you get something else. GET OVER IT! You have seen Misty being shafted, that was imo much worse than a simple voice change.

    Even now, I don't really hate neither voice. I accept them both as quite good, in fact. Don't forget, they are all WOMEN who try to imitate a 10-year old kid. They can't be the same, neither when comparted to a kid nor with each other. What really pissed me off is that later on, I discovered that they send threatening messages at Natochenny because she couldn't imitate Taylor! Come on, guys, her job is to voice Ash, not imitate Veronica!

    They have also said things about the openings. However, I like 10, 11 and 12 much more than 1, 2 and 4 openings.

    To clear things out, I never thought that Sarah did a bad voicing of Ash, even back at season 9. I may also don't like 4Kids because of their constant censorings, but I like their VAs. And of course, I despise any kind of troll who keeps doing his job (trolling) 7 WHOLE YEARS AFTER that change. Poor Natocheny receives threatening messages because some people can't get over with trivial change. Yes, IT IS TRIVIAL!

    Azumarill39, it's nice to see that you opened a channel on Youtube! Just subscribed there (ZexMachine), and soon enough I am going to watch the videos. Looking forward to future entries of you...
  3. Pokémon Master Ash's Avatar
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    [QUOTE=BlueWartortle;bt284869]I was not into Pokemon when the switch hapenned, so when I first watched English Dubbed Pokemon Anime (that being DP001) I had no problem with the voices at all. I later learned about what hapenned on Season 9 and I was wondering on why do people argue over some so trivial. Okay, you were watching a show for 8 years with some voice, and now you get something else. GET OVER IT! You have seen Misty being shafted, that was imo much worse than a simple voice change.

    Even now, I don't really hate neither voice. I accept them both as quite good, in fact. Don't forget, they are all WOMEN who try to imitate a 10-year old kid. They can't be the same, neither when comparted to a kid nor with each other. What really pissed me off is that later on, I discovered that they send threatening messages at Natochenny because she couldn't imitate Taylor! Come on, guys, her job is to voice Ash, not imitate Veronica!

    They have also said things about the openings. However, I like 10, 11 and 12 much more than 1, 2 and 4 openings.

    To clear things out, I never thought that Sarah did a bad voicing of Ash, even back at season 9. I may also don't like 4Kids because of their constant censorings, but I like their VAs. And of course, I despise any kind of troll who keeps doing his job (trolling) 7 WHOLE YEARS AFTER that change. Poor Natocheny receives threatening messages because some people can't get over with trivial change. Yes, IT IS TRIVIAL!

    Azumarill39, it's nice to see that you opened a channel on Youtube! Just subscribed there (ZexMachine), and soon enough I am going to watch the videos. Looking forward to future entries of you...[/QUOTE]

    The thing is, it wasn't just Ash who had his voice changed at the time (granted to me it was the most noticeable and jarring change). It was pretty much everyone's voices changing at once, making the effect multiply 7x (since there were 7 main characters at the time). Granted some of the voice changes were definitely more noticeable than others (for example, 2/3 of Team Rocket sounded pretty similar when the switch first occurred, but the protagonists and Meowth were an entirely different story).

    To me, it was a pretty drastic change at the time. Granted I've watched the show since the very first episode in English, so that does come from my personal bias on the matter, but after 8 years it was very jarring to hear everything change at once like that. I'm honestly not a huge fan of the way TPCi's been handling the dub in general as opposed to how 4Kids' handled it: despite the lack of censorship, I find myself bored fairly quickly when watching their dub episodes as opposed to the 4Kids' ones.

    I can't really equate Misty leaving to the entire English Pokemon voice cast leaving. I don't think either is worse or better- I find both caused a drop in the quality of the series for me, but I can't say which is truly worse. Either way, I did not like either move myself.

    The VA change made it seem like Ash wasn't Ash anymore, Brock wasn't Brock anymore, etc. It feels like imposters came in and tried to imitate what came before them. It gave off a really...artificial...feeling to things. Like this "fake" vibe that just doesn't feel right to me. Regardless, it's not so bad these days, but back then? I have to disagree.

    We were promised we'd be getting "sound-alikes" at the time of the switch. Also that we would be getting all of the original JPN music, by TPCi. Neither of things occurred, though. I think that's why a lot of fans are still upset about it.
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    Updated 26th May 2013 at 01:14 PM by Pokémon Master Ash
  4. Zexy's Avatar
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    @EmotionalTensionPKMN; But only Ash is the one whose voice changed that people still to troll about. Maybe because JJM got a bit reduced at BW and Brock took the axe.

    Also, when talking about Misty and the voice change, I am just talking about the rage wave that each one produced, not how they did change the quality of the show.

    Japanese music is another story. Yet, we are getting much more than what we got before...
  5. Azumarill39's Avatar
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    Personally though, my favorite music from the anime is the 4kids music (seasons 5-8) which continued into early TPCI dub for every other episode (seasons 9-10)
  6. Pokémon Master Ash's Avatar
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    [QUOTE=BlueWartortle;bt284874]@EmotionalTensionPKMN; But only Ash is the one whose voice changed that people still to troll about. Maybe because JJM got a bit reduced at BW and Brock took the axe.

    Also, when talking about Misty and the voice change, I am just talking about the rage wave that each one produced, not how they did change the quality of the show.

    Japanese music is another story. Yet, we are getting much more than what we got before...[/QUOTE]

    Yeah, I've noticed that it seems to be Ash's voice who people like to troll about, and mainly exactly for what you mentioned.

    Oh, no problem. I can understand that. :)

    The Japanese music is an interesting issue: 4Kids initally kept more than TPCi ever has, period (at one point, we even had 70% of it), but near the end of their run, they kept a measly 19% of the original JPN BGM in Season 8, less than TPCi ever has. Conversely, TPCi has kept roughly 38-40% of the JPN music over the years, more than 4Kids ever kept in Seasons 6-8. Yet 4Kids kept about the same as TPCi has when you add up all the seasons they dubbed, though. Long story short, in that aspect they seem to be +/- equal.
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  7. The Fighting Misty's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueWartortle
    @EmotionalTensionPKMN; But only Ash is the one whose voice changed that people still to troll about. Maybe because JJM got a bit reduced at BW and Brock took the axe.

    Also, when talking about Misty and the voice change, I am just talking about the rage wave that each one produced, not how they did change the quality of the show.
    What are you talking about?
  8. ninfiaVI's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueWartortle
    @EmotionalTensionPKMN; But only Ash is the one whose voice changed that people still to troll about. Maybe because JJM got a bit reduced at BW and Brock took the axe.

    Also, when talking about Misty and the voice change, I am just talking about the rage wave that each one produced, not how they did change the quality of the show.
    What are you talking about?
    I completely agree with Zexmachine. I don't care about the voices. Except for the first part of OS and the first part of BF and DP, when the VAs were getting to know their characters, all of the voicing has been excellent. I care about the stories.

    Also,The Fighting Misty, they aren't talking about how the VAs affected the show, but about the reaction of the haters.
  9. ninfiaVI's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueWartortle
    @EmotionalTensionPKMN; But only Ash is the one whose voice changed that people still to troll about. Maybe because JJM got a bit reduced at BW and Brock took the axe.

    Also, when talking about Misty and the voice change, I am just talking about the rage wave that each one produced, not how they did change the quality of the show.
    What are you talking about?
    I completely agree with Zexmachine. I don't care about the voices. Except for the first part of OS and the first part of BF and DP, when the VAs were getting to know their characters, all of the voicing has been excellent. I care about the stories.

    Also,The Fighting Misty, they aren't talking about how the VAs affected the show, but about the reaction of the haters.